Calorie deficit and recovery time
JeffseekingV
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What is the consensus the effects of running a calorie deficit on your recovery time? In this case, weight training. Of course recovery times will greatly depend on what you do, how long you have been doing it and intensity. But all factors being the same except for the calorie deficit, is there a significant effect on DOMS recovery? Let's say for the sake of conversation, the calorie deficit per day was an additional 500 calories.
Common sense says, it would make recovery longer but perhaps it's a myth?
Common sense says, it would make recovery longer but perhaps it's a myth?
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http://www.bodyrecomposition.com/fat-loss/fat-loss-for-athletes-part-3.html
Another idea that appears to have come out of 80′s era (read: steroid fueled) bodybuilding dieting is that volume and frequency of training should go UP while dieting. This is, of course, completely *kitten*-backwards. Recovery is always hampered when calories are restricted, trying to increase the frequency of high-intensity training (e.g. weight training or intervals) is a recipe for disaster. If anything, the frequency (and especially the volume) of high-intensity work should be reduced somewhat when calories are restricted to avoid over training in the long-run.
http://www.bodyrecomposition.com/training/weight-training-for-fat-loss-part-2.html
First I want to talk about how folks should absolutely not try to combine the two types of training. As I mentioned in Part 1, a common idea during fat loss dieting is that training volume and/or frequency should go UP (compared to where it was when more food was being eaten).
This is, simply, idiotic. Recovery will always be impaired when calories are restricted and trying to add more and more training to an already heavy load may explain why so many people end up so severely overtrained at the end of extended diets: the combination of too much training and too few calories is a bad, bad thing.0 -
Ah. Such an evil cycle.
Hopefully this calorie reduction only ends up being a minor deficit so recovery won't be impaired too much But will make sure not to add any cardio or weight training though.
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FWIW (yes, I know this isn't exactly what you asked)...
This is exactly why I reduce volume when I'm cutting. I can and love to do 5-6 lifts, 4-5 sets per lift, 8-10 reps per set when bulking... but there's no way I can sustain that during any meaningful cut. So I cut back. 3-4 lifts, 3 sets, 3-10 reps. Much more manageable, at least IME.0 -
FWIW (yes, I know this isn't exactly what you asked)...
This is exactly why I reduce volume when I'm cutting. I can and love to do 5-6 lifts, 4-5 sets per lift, 8-10 reps per set when bulking... but there's no way I can sustain that during any meaningful cut. So I cut back. 3-4 lifts, 3 sets, 3-10 reps. Much more manageable, at least IME.
No that's right on point. Especially since volume isn't a big difference as far as calories go (at least not on this site). Cutting down on the weight lifting wouldn't make a big impact on the calories but would make a bigger impact on how sore I am while cutting calories.
In fact, I did heavy legs tues morning and I'm still sort of sore today. And I have bbal tonight. I'll probably try to pre-eat some of the calories back before bball tonight though.0 -
Okay this thread was a few months ago. Reason why I posted it is because at that time, I decided to cut 100-150 calories a day from my diet to start up the weight loss again.
Originally, I thought the increased DOMS recovery was solely from the calorie deficit. I then theorized that it might be two things. Calorie deficit or not enough protein intake. When I cut the calories again, I decided to cut the Chobani or the protein shake that I was taking in the mornings. It was an easy/accurate way to cut a very specific amount of calories. But what I didn't think about was it was also a source of protein that was also being cut. It may not have been a lot but it might have been "enough" to make a difference.
To review the background. I'm only trying for a slight amount of weight loss per week. 0.5lbs at most. I have been in a stall for over a year and decided to cut a bit more. One thing I noticed that even though I had put an approx. 150g of protein goal, I rarely hit that goal. In the last few months after cutting said calories, the DOMS recovery time increased. So for the last few months, I wasn't even hitting 100grams on ave (I weigh around 170lbs).
What I decided to do last week is keep doing the same leg workout as before (squats, powercleans, deads, leg press). Keep the same net calories as the last few months. But make an effort to significantly increase my protein intake. Mainly through whey shakes (gold standard whey x 2 scoops) or though drinks. (premier protein x 2 drinks). This upped my protein by 50-60 grams per day. That got my much closer to about 150g per day for the last week.
I probably shouldn't have done this but I also added 2 multivitamins per day.
Results. Leg day was Tuesday. Wed = sore Thurs = sore. Very normal. Fri = much less sore (almost none). Again probably normal for most. Before, I'd be sore Friday and sat and I really wouldn't be recovered until Sun.
So for ME, I feel the increased protein was a major factor in the reduction of DOMS recovery. Or more accurately, getting ENOUGH protein. There's the other factors like the increased vitamins etc.. that the shakes/drinks and pills added but other than the multi-vitamins I took, there wasn't an easy way to eliminate them from the experiment.
I'm still on the same calorie deficit as before so to me, getting enough protein was a bigger factor than the net calorie intake (in this case). I should also add that during the last few months, I actually lost 1-2 lbs so I think the calorie intake over the test period was probably accurate. At least to the point where I wasn't taking in significantly less or more to skew the results.0 -
I'm on the 2nd week of this. Same leg workouts, keeping the net calories the same but ramping up the protein to about 150g if possible.
Legs was yesterday and today I feel better. Litmus test is of course the 2nd day.
But will probably do some type of workout tonight. Not sure what.
I'm also keeping an informal eye on strength. Although I'd probably have to track for 4-6 weeks.0
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