bouncing all over the place?

lin7604
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Q..... all of last year i did clx, then t25 and then back to clx.. my weight and size was consistent...i bounced around by 1.5 lbs all year! which is great maintenance, i was proud of myself. This year i got p90x3 as i thought my body was needing a change up of routine, been doing it since end of Jan. All of this year my weight is bouncing all over the place, up to 6 lbs difference... i have no idea what my "real" weight is anymore..... my clothes are fitting a bit snugger at times too. i havn't changed my diet, still do 1500 cals a day and i still exercise 30 min 5-6 days a week. can anyone explain to me why i was more consistent with my weight last year then this year?
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You are doing this program more intense, because you have the strength to do so.
Since it's a high carb burner, you are burning off more carbs which store with water.
So false water weight gain and loss.
Valid weigh-in day for "real" weight, meaning least chance of water weight fluctuations:
Morning after rest day eating normal sodium levels (not higher or lower than norm), and not sore from last workout.
Though you may be at point you can have muscle retained water for repair and not feel sore, but at least that's a starting point.
You are maintaining on 1500 total with that program? huh.
So how low do you have to eat if you can't workout for some reason?0 -
Thx u for responding. I figured because I was lifting for the past year I wouldn't get water retention or muscles repairing that much to make a difference now. I know the day I get my " monthly friend" I am always at my lowest so I always used that as my true weight. I weighed myself the other day as I do it weekly and it was after my rest day and I was at my height at weight in months. I don't know what I would have to eat to maintain if I didn't exercise as I make sure I do always but I know **** can happen. I would think 13-1400? When I did clx I was eating 15-1700 but I was lifting more and heavier then in x3. I just never did pull ups till x3. That is the only real change in exercises that I do in x3 so far .. Maybe things will change in block 3???0
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If you are still able to progressive overload and cause micro-tears, you will still have water retained in muscle for repair.
But getting DOMS from the effort may not occur anymore if doing it long enough.
Now, if you are just maintenance lifting and it's all easy for you, then ya, nothing to repair from anymore.
I was almost wondering if you are eating enough for good recovery so you can really lift as heavy as you could, so that you even caused damage and needed repair.
It could be done purposely, it could happen because of the state your body gets to. So while it feels like you are pushing as hard as you can, on muscles not totally recovered and rested it's not as much as they could do.
With that much bouncing around, you should really try a fun 2 week test, see how much improvement on the bar increases.
Eat 250 calories extra daily for 2 weeks. Sounds like a lot, huh.
If you were really eating at maintenance or TDEE prior though, you would slowly gain only 1 lb extra the whole time.
But if you gain faster water weight, you were not, and you have some potential available still.0 -
Hummmm u am a bit confused, sorry.
I used this site to figure out tdee. http://iifym.com/tdee-calculator/ it gives me 1718 and bmr 1178. So I was taking a 15% deficit off that to lose body fat and those 6 lbs. I just keep bouncing around and unable to drop body fat.
So if I understand u correctly I should eat the 1718? Daily? What about non workout days? I also was kind going by the programs I have gone which also had me set at 1500 cals or so, even x3 is where it set me. I am short and do have a thyroid disorder do when I gain it's super hard to take it off and I find my metabolism is slower in general so I have never been able do far to eat over 1800 cals with out gaining...,0 -
Do you own a food scale and if so, how often do you use it?0
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yes i do and i use it daily for everything, have so for the last 2 years. when i started i was surprised what a serving size looked like,lol... everything i eat is weighed or measured and logged....0
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Hummmm u am a bit confused, sorry.
I used this site to figure out tdee. http://iifym.com/tdee-calculator/ it gives me 1718 and bmr 1178. So I was taking a 15% deficit off that to lose body fat and those 6 lbs. I just keep bouncing around and unable to drop body fat.
So if I understand u correctly I should eat the 1718? Daily? What about non workout days? I also was kind going by the programs I have gone which also had me set at 1500 cals or so, even x3 is where it set me. I am short and do have a thyroid disorder do when I gain it's super hard to take it off and I find my metabolism is slower in general so I have never been able do far to eat over 1800 cals with out gaining...,
Whenever that site comes up, I've always seen people reporting how far under it estimates for them, many with tested TDEE's so they know.
10% probably a better idea anyway, with just 6 lbs to go. Less to lose, should try to lose less weekly.
5% would allow max improvements from your workout. Well, the body would prefer surplus, but that's for later, right?
If you trust that TDEE calculator, wouldn't you be able to take a diet break and eat 1718 and maintain? That's what TDEE is after all.
And a diet break is always a good idea.
So the thyroid disorders usually cause slower daily burn because of you not moving as much. The studies with RMR show they are actually about right as expected, within 5% anyway. But when you get to your sedentary TDEE, your daily movement is much reduced from perhaps average levels.
Do you take meds though for it? Do you feel energetic through the day?0 -
well i have taken breaks... i stopped logging from sept to dec. I maintained 100% then in jan when i started x3 i started logging again so i could get the most out of that program... I had a 2 week break over new years and another week break last week where i was in mexico for those 2 trips/ breaks.. i didn't log anything and ate what i wanted ( still making good choices) but didn't worry and was stress free about it...
i also did fitness frog's site and it gave me 1983 for tdee so 1683 with 15% cut ( see this site goes by how many days you exercise and the other one was on how many hours you exercise a week) and scoobies site gave me 1758 and 1495 with 15% cut. BIG difference between the 2!!!! scoobies is close to the iifym one..... not sure why fitness frog is so much more...
yes i take meds for my thyoid and for the most part i am feeling pretty good right now with it, except still freezing all the time and some days a bit tired but for the most part i feel good.... i just had my levels tested in Jan and they were perfect!0 -
Fitnessfrog starts with the Harris BMR calc, most inflated when you have extra weight.
Scooby starts with Mifflin BMR calc, figured 5% more accurate when overweight, as MFP uses it too.
If you have a decent estimate of bodyfat or several averages, Scooby also has a Most Accurate link to use the Katch BMR.
To your guess of the TDEE level, since those hours of exercise are built on a base of sedentary desk job, is weekly job or job time indeed 45 hrs mainly sitting, or are you up and around and active work or home life actually? Because that would increase your TDEE level.
So that's good thyroid is putting your hormones where they should be.
Studies have shown one of the things the body does when it thinks it's not getting enough food for your level of activity, is to slow down your spontaneous daily activity, your normal daily stuff. That conserves some calories for the lower level stuff that can only be slowed down a little but really must be done.
And producing heat just for the sake of heat is a function that can easily be dropped too - because you'll put more clothes on.
So you maintained for a great time there - but you didn't log, so you have no idea what the calorie level was. That might have been potential TDEE there. I say potential, you've likely heard of folks that stalled eating 1200, went to 1400 and maintained too, and didn't start losing till say like 1600. Just proved that despite maintaining at 1400, that wasn't true maintenance.
Compared to Sep to Dec, do you think you ate more when you started the x3 program? Sounds like you should have been if this was more intense program.0 -
I have to say no. When I did clx I was eating a min 1500 to 1600 daily and with x3 it set he at 1500 and I got from so many to lower my casks since I had been gaining weight this year. I gain 4 lbs on vacation over New Years that took me 2 months to get off and that only lasted a few days yet. So I got from so many to lower my cals. So I worked it online and in mfp and it set me at 1300 and then i'd eat back my exercise cals. Which I don't find are accurate with weights since your heart rate doesn't go up as much so my burns seem low. So in the end with eating back cals and the 1300 it brings me min 1460 but mainly around 1500 anyway.
Maybe I should up it then? I just find this work out less intense IMO as I find I use weights less in it then with clx???0 -
Tagging for myself because we are at the same height (WAY heavier though).
I am having the same difficulties you are! I can even say that I took the same eating breaks as you did lol so weird.
I am eating around the same amount as you as well but just not dropping (going up and down between the same few lbs) and feeling SO damn tired!0 -
I have to say no. When I did clx I was eating a min 1500 to 1600 daily and with x3 it set he at 1500 and I got from so many to lower my casks since I had been gaining weight this year. I gain 4 lbs on vacation over New Years that took me 2 months to get off and that only lasted a few days yet. So I got from so many to lower my cals. So I worked it online and in mfp and it set me at 1300 and then i'd eat back my exercise cals. Which I don't find are accurate with weights since your heart rate doesn't go up as much so my burns seem low. So in the end with eating back cals and the 1300 it brings me min 1460 but mainly around 1500 anyway.
Maybe I should up it then? I just find this work out less intense IMO as I find I use weights less in it then with clx???
So always do the math with weight gain and loss to discern if it was fat or water weight. I think I mentioned it in post above.
Gained 4 lbs in how many days?
4 x 3500 = 14,000 / ? days = ? calories over TDEE/maintenance each and every day.
Is that number possible to have eaten that high?
Or it is mainly water weight?
If it is, that mere fact you had that much glycogen stores to refill (outside probably some sodium gain) with water weight shows just how depleted you were normally. In a diet you are anyway, but even less stored if more extreme diet for your level of activity.
The fact it took so long to lose again likely means you did deplete the carbs again faster than that, but body held on to water elsewhere (fat cells as McDonald and others theorize) until you finally dropped that.
Good beneficial water weight when attached to glycogen. Would have gained that back in maintenance anyway.
You don't have to have all the side effects to be doing this.
http://skepchick.org/2014/02/the-female-athlete-triad-not-as-fun-as-it-sounds/
And yes, if it's too light a weight, then it's not an effort for the muscles, the HR will not spike into anaerobic level. That actually means the HRM is a tad better estimate than true lifting. Not as accurate as cardio (which can still be off), but still better.0 -
Ya I usually gain a few lbs on vacation as it's normally water weight and when we get home it come off in a week or two. We were away for 12 days. This boast trip we went on a week ago we were gone for 7 andbibonly gained a lb but then I had 3-4 lbs still on me from the last one 2 months prior. I only got down the week before we left and the weight just seemed to drop fast and brought me toy normal weight. That only lasted a few days and then the day before we left I was right back up. I have been home 1 week as of tomorrow and tomorrow is my weight in, so we will see what it shows. I just don't understand how water weight can stick around so long? Everything that used to work before doesn't seem to?
Maybe I will increase my cals??? Try it out, I really want to be steady like I used to and get this body fat down... Guess I just need to figure out what is a good number?0 -
Do the 2 week test I described above. Above your estimate TDEE. Or at least eat at what you think is estimated TDEE.
And see if you can go heavier on the weights during those 2 weeks.0 -
will do!!! thx for all your amazing help!0
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