intermediate lifter starting SL. question?

scottc561
scottc561 Posts: 329 Member
I've just came back to this group after being away for couple years. I've been lifting consistently mainly doing the big lifts squats, deads, and bench along with a few auxiliary stuff such as pull ups, dips etc. My question is where should I start this routine weight wise? My dead lift and squat are over 300# and my bench is about 290#. When I read this routine before it said to basic basically start with very light weight such as just the bar. I feel this would not be a good idea as I've got the strength and conditioning to handle heavier weights yet I don't want to start too heavy and hit a wall. Any suggestions on where I should start? Any other members have this issue? Or did everyone start as suggested? Thanks in advance

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  • scottc561
    scottc561 Posts: 329 Member
    Not sure why it made 2 posts.
  • cajuntank
    cajuntank Posts: 924 Member
    I guess I'm a little fuzzy on if you are coming back to lifting after being off for a couple of years and those were your maxes, or if you've been lifting all this time and you are searching for a program and those are your current maxes?
  • scottc561
    scottc561 Posts: 329 Member
    I guess I'm a little fuzzy on if you are coming back to lifting after being off for a couple of years and those were your maxes, or if you've been lifting all this time and you are searching for a program and those are your current maxes?

    I've been lifting for 6 months steady and those are my maxes. I'm wanting to try this routine.
  • cajuntank
    cajuntank Posts: 924 Member
    Well, assuming your form is a non-issue, you could start out at maybe 50% of max and work your way thru the program; however, with your lifts being as high as they are, I don't know if you can make linear progression every workout anymore and might really need to look at a more intermediate program.

    What are your goals? Strength? Body building? Weight loss? Etc...
  • gwhizeh
    gwhizeh Posts: 269 Member
    Definitely no expert, but I would think gains are still very possible on this routine for you (if your goal is strength). You may have to play with the progression, but if the weights are going up, that would be progression lol . Assuming those are one rep maxes, 50-60% seems reasonable to me to start. If they are working weight then maybe a little less cutting of the weight and keep pushing for progression. Only way for you to know for sure is try it and adjust accordingly. If you have been going 6 months already, a couple easier/lighter weeks until you figure it out, really shouldn't hurt to much IMO.

    I know I have looked at 5/3/1 and some mention the Texas method in a thread of mine, those seem to be more intermediate programs from what I can tell. I don't think I will touch them until I'm consistently hitting 300's. And that's a ways off for me yet.

    Good luck!
  • cajuntank
    cajuntank Posts: 924 Member
    Definitely no expert, but I would think gains are still very possible on this routine for you (if your goal is strength). You may have to play with the progression, but if the weights are going up, that would be progression lol . Assuming those are one rep maxes, 50-60% seems reasonable to me to start. If they are working weight then maybe a little less cutting of the weight and keep pushing for progression. Only way for you to know for sure is try it and adjust accordingly. If you have been going 6 months already, a couple easier/lighter weeks until you figure it out, really shouldn't hurt to much IMO.

    I know I have looked at 5/3/1 and some mention the Texas method in a thread of mine, those seem to be more intermediate programs from what I can tell. I don't think I will touch them until I'm consistently hitting 300's. And that's a ways off for me yet.

    Good luck!

    It is possible, but due to his current strength level and the fact that he's been training, he has more than likely already experienced the beginner gains we all go thru with CNS recruitment and mind to muscle adaptations that occur with constant repetition of the exercises in an untrained person. In general, the standard populous of men reaching that level of strength are past the beginner stages of their training and into the intermediate level where they can still make linear progression, but the progression will be much slower as they are already closer to their genetic potential than an untrained person.

    That being said, OP, you might be in that upper % of the populous that just are really strong and like gwhizeh mentioned, still have gains to make on a beginner program. You will just have to try it out and see. Starting out at 50%-60% of max will take you a few weeks to get back to weight that will determine if you are still able to make those types of jumps every workout. Also realize that your very initial strength gain might be from the de-loading you are naturally doing by starting out lighter and giving your body a few weeks of recovery (basically). If you find that you are in need of an intermediate program, just hit us back up and we can dive into that one for sure.
  • scottc561
    scottc561 Posts: 329 Member
    Thanks a lot guys. I think starting at the 50-60% range makes sense. I obviously won't see major gains once I get up to my maxes but maybe it will help to go lighter for a couple weeks until I get there. I'll try it for 6 weeks and see. The 5x5 is a good routine regardless of where you're at imo.

    As for my goals, I'm actually trying to loose some weight while getting stronger or at least try to maintain. I'd like to lose another 10-15lbs. I've lost 20 lbs in the last few months while getting stronger so hopefully I can keep that up. Thanks again.
  • cajuntank
    cajuntank Posts: 924 Member
    Thanks a lot guys. I think starting at the 50-60% range makes sense. I obviously won't see major gains once I get up to my maxes but maybe it will help to go lighter for a couple weeks until I get there. I'll try it for 6 weeks and see. The 5x5 is a good routine regardless of where you're at imo.

    As for my goals, I'm actually trying to loose some weight while getting stronger or at least try to maintain. I'd like to lose another 10-15lbs. I've lost 20 lbs in the last few months while getting stronger so hopefully I can keep that up. Thanks again.

    The 5x5 rep and set scheme is fine, but the intermediate programs introduce other protocols to help with recovery as at some point squatting max weight 5x5 for 3 times a week will not allow for proper recovery. Also, volume (not intensity) may need to be adjusted down to allow for recovery, especially when in a caloric deficit.
  • MrGonzo05
    MrGonzo05 Posts: 1,120 Member
    Not sure if you're talking about 1 RM or 5 RM for your current lifts, but if you've only been lifting 6 months, there is a good chance you can still make linear progression on SL. And you should if you can, because intermediate programs suck if you're actually a novice.