Sleeve or Bypass?

Hi everyone,

I am currently in the process to have weight loss surgery. My insurance (kaiser) makes it mandatory to take a 12 week course. In the course they made it seem that the difference in weight loss was drastically different from the sleeve and bypass. However, I had a consultation with the bariatric doctor yesterday and she calculated my estimated weight loss and with the sleeve its was 142 lbs and with the bypass it was 152 lbs. This through me for a loop since I was dead set on the bypass. I am 28 and would like to have a child in the future and she mentioned that sleeve might be the way to go.

Any thoughts? How did you all decide between the bypass or the sleeve?

Thanks!

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  • JenaOnTrack74
    JenaOnTrack74 Posts: 443 Member
    I did the same 12 week course with Kaiser and by the end of the 12 weeks you will be so informed you will be able to figure it all out a lot easier. Ask questions and interact in the class. Most of the class was going to have the sleeve done, I think 1 or 2 of the people there were going with RNY mostly due to medical reasons. I LOVED the classes, they were very informative and cover EVERYTHING. Once your finished you will talk again with your surgeon and be able to figure out which is best for you.
    GOOD LUCK & Enjoy the classes! :smile:
  • garber6th
    garber6th Posts: 1,890 Member
    I decided on the sleeve for the same reason a lot of people do - it doesn't "change the plumbing", and there aren't the issues of malabsorption and dumping. Also, because of my extremely high BMI, my surgeon said the sleeve would be a better option for me. I have felt great and had great success with the sleeve. I am SO happy I made the decision to have the surgery. That said, Jena is right, talk to your surgeon after you get all the information you need from the classes. You and your surgeon as a team should decide what's best for you. Good luck, whichever procedure you choose!
  • dward59
    dward59 Posts: 731 Member
    Dtto what Dale said above.

    I was too obese for RNY. My only option was the sleeve, although IF needed this could later be changed to RNY. However, my surgeon showed me the stats that said that most people lost as much weight with the sleeve as with RNY.

    I've been very happy with this so far. Unless I stay in this crazy stall, I can't see even broaching RNY with my insurance company or ever wanting to do so.

    Jena gives sound advice as well. Learn as much as you can in the next 3 months then work with your surgeon to determine what the best way to go is for you.
  • pawoodhull
    pawoodhull Posts: 1,759 Member
    I decided on the sleeve for the same reason a lot of people do - it doesn't "change the plumbing", and there aren't the issues of malabsorption and dumping. Also, because of my extremely high BMI, my surgeon said the sleeve would be a better option for me. I have felt great and had great success with the sleeve. I am SO happy I made the decision to have the surgery. That said, Jena is right, talk to your surgeon after you get all the information you need from the classes. You and your surgeon as a team should decide what's best for you. Good luck, whichever procedure you choose!

    Ditto. Also I have 2 sisters and 2 cousins who had Bypass and they all regained. Yes you can regain with the sleeve, but since the stomach no longer stretches, it's harder to regain. Again, not impossible, but harder. The sleeve is just a more natural option in my opinion because all it does is surgically reduce the size of your stomach permenantly.
  • pattycakes726
    pattycakes726 Posts: 348 Member
    I second what the other posters have said about choosing the sleeve. I wanted the least complicated procedure, didn't want to be unable to take NSAIDs or deal with malabsorbtion. At 9 months out, I'm very happy with my decision.
  • KCSF
    KCSF Posts: 49 Member
    I had a long history of ulcers so the sleeve was the better of the two options for me. My doctor said people heal better with fewer complications. I was worried I would not loose enough weight but just like everyone says "this is a tool, not a magic pill."
  • JenaOnTrack74
    JenaOnTrack74 Posts: 443 Member
    Thank you all you Sleevers for sharing your reasons & experiences!! Did you all notice we added VSG to our Group Name and changed the picture to represent all of us??? :wink:
  • Thanks everyone so much for all of your responses!
  • judydixon98
    judydixon98 Posts: 5 Member
    I had my first surgeon appointment today to start the process. I wanted the sleeve but my surgeon thinks I should go with RNY because of my age (49) and my comorbidities (sleep apnea, diabetes, high blood pressure) also she said because I have GERD and the sleeve is not a good choice with GERD? I currently weigh 308 lbs...
  • sue100194
    sue100194 Posts: 129
    My surgeon initially wanted me to do the RNY as well but I felt strongly about my preference for the sleeve procedure (for the same reasons as other people posting before me) so he agreed that would be a good choice for me. I haven't ever heard of RNY as an age related choice before but I do remember hearing something about GERD. Since that's not one of my issues, I didn't retain what was said. I just think that no matter what procedure you and your surgeon agree on that you feel completely good about it so you can commit to it fully. Each procedure has its benefits and drawbacks so it just comes down to what's right for you. Best of luck.

    And Jena.......WOOT! I'm happy to see the changes to the group name and picture. Thank you!!
  • Tristaan
    Tristaan Posts: 125 Member
    I did RNY and so far have had no complications. I also had severe heartburn (not GERD), apnea, high blood pressure, asthma, pre-diabetic, etc. My quality of life was being diminished and after years of trying to eat healthy and exercise the extra weight off, I decided to take a surgical step (I have PCOS as well). I did not want the mindset that I could "reverse" my decision later. For me, it was significant to take the most extreme step that I could, if I was going there at all. I needed to lose a little more than half my body weight and my surgical team leaned toward RNY (although the choice was definitely mine). Almost 6 months out I have not experienced any heartburn, my bp dosage has gone from 320mg/day to 80mg/day, I have had no asthma symptoms, and so far my metabolic panels are normal. One thing I will say, I was kind of looking forward to the "dumping" side-effect - as I have always had a hard time with sugar. They talk about it a lot when giving info on GB surgery, and although it is described as very unpleasant, I felt it was almost touted as an advantage. I have not experienced that at all, and upon further research I've read that as low as 30% of GB patients actually dump after eating high sugar or fats. Also, cravings do come back. I only say that because if you are a sugar person, RNY may or may not help you with those habits. The built in deterrent of dumping is far from guaranteed. Good luck with whatever you choose. :)
  • lee91356
    lee91356 Posts: 330 Member
    The GERD things can be an issue as after the VSG people can have refulx and stomach acid problems - I had to stay on the prilosec for almost a year and even now I still have some reflux ever now and again. That being said, for me since I had not history of GERD or reflux there was no real issue with getting the sleeve. Also be warned, that lactose intolerance is common, and that too I think is more common with sleeve patients then RNY.

    My doctor wanted me to get the RNY because of my high weight, age (early 30s - more longer term knowledge and success he said) and comorbid issues (high blood pressure, diabetes, etc). However, I didnt like the malabsorption aspect of RNY and stood my ground and said I had not intention to change my mind. At 1 year out, I lost over 90% of my excess weight - something the doctor said is hard to do with either procedure. That was due not only to the surgery, but ALSO to my strict diet and exercise regime. At 1.5 years out now, I am fighting the daily battle to maintain and see if I can get those few pounds off to maintain a normal/ healthy BMI (though the doctor said after such a loss a few pounds wont hurt me :happy: )

    Good luck and remember in the end its your decision. Even if after the class you are unsure if still want the surgery or feel you need more time, dont feel pressured, because you need to make sure your ready and comfortable with your decision to ensure that you will have the best amount of success. Oh and be fair to yourself and keep your goal realistic (I NEVER thought I would reach my weight, and I am far below the weight goal that me and the dietitian set all those months ago - I even thought her goal was unrealistic lol).
  • pattycakes726
    pattycakes726 Posts: 348 Member
    Keep in mind I am not a medical professional, but I had severe GERD and got the sleeve. I had a hiatal hernia that my surgeon thought was contributing to the GERD. It was repaired at the time I got the sleeve. I have not had any heartburn symptoms since the surgery and don't take meds for GERD anymore. If you have GERD but want the sleeve, take to your surgeon about it.
  • bikrchk
    bikrchk Posts: 516 Member
    I went with the sleeve because it seemed "simpler" and at just around 100 lbs to lose, I didn't need the malabsorption component and thought that long term it was the better solution for me. I also had GERD, silent reflux they call it, because I never had heartburn symptoms. Mine manifested in asthma like symptoms, (coughing all night long). I was finally diagnosed correctly when they did the EGD and found a hiatial hernia they fixed with my procedure. I'm now on omeprazole 2xday and symptom free. It is the only prescription I take anymore, (I had been on 10 different ones for asthma, hi bp, anxiety and cholesterol). So grateful for my health now!
  • csmccord
    csmccord Posts: 272 Member
    I went with the RNY. My medical team would have given me the band, sleeve or the bypass. They generally told me the sleeve would cause you to lose up to about a 100, so I primarily went with the RNY due to the amount that I wanted to lose.

    There are a few advantages/disadvantages to each one. These are the reasons that I went for the RNY

    1. I had\have 160 lbs to lose to my ultimate goal. That exceeded what the doctors said the average VSGer would lose.
    2. I actually liked the idea of a surgery that changes the plumbing. It's mal-absorptive. Means I don't absorb food as readily as others.
    3. I liked the idea of dumping to help keep me under control. It helps keep me honest and not eat something too fatty or sugary.
    4. Didn't like the idea of the very, very long staple lines in the VSG. Also didn't seem like it would something that would last. Figured I'd stretch my stomach out again. Didn't know that the part of the stomach that makes the hunger feeling would be removed too. I would also note that for the first 6 months after my RNY I felt no hunger at all. I ate on a schedule. Now I'm able to control my hunger through what I choose to eat.

    Now, there are side effects as well -

    1. No taking of any ibuprofen (NSAID) ever again.
    2. No time release medication ever again.
    3. Somewhat large does of vitamins for the rest of your life. I currently take 11 pills/chews daily for vitamins.
    4. VERY easy to get drunk. The valve between stomach and intestine is removed. Alcohol dumps straight to intestines and is absorbed very quick. I get tipsy on about a 1/3 of a glass of wine.
    5. Constipation - Yes, I know TMI. However I have periodically had issues with it and anal fissures at times. Mostly due to the higher protein diet that I choose to eat. I can mitigate the issues with yogurt or probiotics.
    6. Late addition - You should wear a medical bracelet/necklace warning for no blind NG tubes. If somebody does that, then they can tear your pouch up and poke holes in it!


    So, as you can see it's a very personal question that will depend on what your medical situation and needs require. Do I think either the VSG or RNY would have worked for me? Yes, knowing what I know now, I would seriously consider the VSG, however I don't question that my life with RNY is vastly better than with no surgery at all. Other than sporadic constipation I have had no issues. From what I've seen on this forum, the sleeve seems to be just as effective as the RNY, as long as the person knows it's just a tool. Both surgeries will fix/help any co-morbidities that you have. I had hyper-tension (High BP), sleep apnea, and was pre-diabetic. My liver function was actually 4 times the highest safe level. My doctor thought I was an alcoholic! Within 6 months all of those issues were gone. I haven't taken a pill of any medication for the last 6 months. I'm 19 months post-op now.

    Also, the hiatal hernia is VERY common in overweight people and does contribute to GERD. They can repair the hernia when they are in there and typically do it without problems. I've had no heartburn since surgery. Used to get it fairly commonly.
  • Wow that is really surprising only 30% they speak about it in class as if it affects 100% of RNY patients. As I am not a sweet person at all the dumping did not factor into a positive light. Perhaps if they stopped me from snacking on salty stuff I would lol
  • I really want to thank everyone for taking time out of your day to give some advice. It is a very important decision, I have been thinking about it a lot the last couple of days and I think I am fully decided on the Sleeve. However, I have yet to meet with the actual surgeon and hear their opinion.
  • csmccord
    csmccord Posts: 272 Member
    Wow that is really surprising only 30% they speak about it in class as if it affects 100% of RNY patients. As I am not a sweet person at all the dumping did not factor into a positive light. Perhaps if they stopped me from snacking on salty stuff I would lol

    Not everybody dumps, however it does effect most of us RNYers. Both my wife and I had the RNY done. We have both dumped on occasion. I also know a friend and co-worker who have both dumped as well. So yes, many of us do dump.

    Be very thankful that you will never have to experience it with a sleeve. It is absolutely the worst thing that I have EVER, EVER felt.
  • pawoodhull
    pawoodhull Posts: 1,759 Member
    I had my first surgeon appointment today to start the process. I wanted the sleeve but my surgeon thinks I should go with RNY because of my age (49) and my comorbidities (sleep apnea, diabetes, high blood pressure) also she said because I have GERD and the sleeve is not a good choice with GERD? I currently weigh 308 lbs...

    I have acid reflux. Not sure if that is different from GERD, but it was not a roadblock to me for the sleeve. My reflux is no different now than before I was sleeved. You might want to double check that if you really wanted the sleeve. Also, I had mine when I was 55. Not sure why you age of 49 is a factor. The only real difference between you and I is I had high blood pressure, but not the other two comorbidities. Look the surgeons do know more than we do, but we need to really advocate for what we want, and if you really don't want the RNY, push until either you get what you want (meaning it's not a bad decision just the surgeon's preference) or your surgeon can help you understand exactly why the RNY is the better surgery and you are comfortable with it.