To count calories or not?

josephine_x
josephine_x Posts: 90 Member
Back on this woe after a year of self destruct! My question is who counts calories and who doesn't? Books I've read seem to say you don't need to but would like to hear from people who have lost weight successfully while not counting calories. Eating what I want but tracking my food anyway, bit early to see if I'm losing yet (I'm 5 days in)

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  • Leonidas_meets_Spartacus
    Leonidas_meets_Spartacus Posts: 6,198 Member
    Do the calories count? eventually yes. But how much? Let your body decide, learn to listen and trust your body not the apps which spit out your RMR,TDEE, BMR and blah blah. This is what I like about low carb/ketogenic diets, let your body tell you how much to eat. I track calories but I eat how ever much my body wants while counting carbs and limiting protein to moderate amounts. The reason for me is simple, these formulas are very inaccurate. Consider for example I have been eating more food in last two months though I was losing weight, I got my metabolic test done yesterday, turns out I am burning more now, though I lost 20 lbs because of increase in metabolism. Conventional wisdom says, you need to lower calories after you lose weight, this is not true and glad I listened to my body. If you are going to count calories, get your RMR measured and know where your metabolism is currently. No wonder people get frustrated when they don't lose weight in deficit and give up.
  • ali59oc
    ali59oc Posts: 130 Member
    ^^^^ what he said!
    I've been doing this woe since January. I have tried all the "tricks" -- more fat, less fat, more calories, less calories, etc. It all depends on YOUR BODY. The general idea of keto really does work and I feel so much better than I did before starting it, with the bonus of losing weight and more importantly FAT. You need to get in tune with your body and that will take you a little bit to figure out. Also be patient and watch your trend line. That will give you a better handle on how you are doing over time, not every day. I do eat at a deficit because I still have fat to lose, but I eat more fat than I ever have before and that makes it easier to lose those inches. I'm blathering now! But I think you get the picture.
  • josephine_x
    josephine_x Posts: 90 Member
    Thanks, some days I'm just hungry and go waaay over what I think I need as a 5'3 woman, other days it's easier to stick to 15000 cals. Only started weighing myself yesterday so I guess i'll see soon if i'm doing it right or not!
  • SnowFlinga
    SnowFlinga Posts: 124 Member
    Sorry, but I can't agree with the previous posters' advice. Listening to your body doesn't work if your body isn't providing the right messages. Whether or not those messages are correct depends a lot on what you're putting into it. It's more about how weight/appetite control hormones are impacting your brain. It's quite possible you are leptin resistant and you think you're hungry, but your body doesn't actually need the calories. That's just one simple example of how what we're "feeling" can sometimes lead us astray.

    I agree though that the calculators aren't going to be 100% correct so it takes some experimentation to find your "happy" place (the calcs at least give you a good starting point). During the experimentation phase it's a good idea to measure and track everything so that you learn how food impacts you. Like any good scientist you should only modify one variable at a time and hold all others constant. So you might try starting with calories and keep your macro ratios constant and see if you can find your ideal caloric intake that keeps the scale moving down while maintaining your sanity. You can also play around with your level of protein intake and figure out where your top end cut-off point should be before the scale stops moving.

    Sure you can go keto without doing all of this, but then you're kind of shooting blind and hoping that you're lucky and have the right diet nailed. I prefer to take a more systematic approach (at least for now) at least until I understand how it all works best for me. I lost 75 lbs. on Atkins over 10 years ago and I attribute that to a lot of dumb luck. Over the years some of the weight came back and I just couldn't figure out what I was doing wrong. I started Keto in January and honestly I was mostly shooting in the dark until April when I decided to get "serious" about figuring out how to make this work for me. The majority of my current weight loss (which is actually 25 lbs., but I wasn't on MFP to start) has come over the past 6 weeks since I started figuring out what works and what doesn't. I only have 20 lbs. to go so I'm learning more as I get thinner and what I need to adjust to keep the weight coming off.
  • Leonidas_meets_Spartacus
    Leonidas_meets_Spartacus Posts: 6,198 Member
    Tracking and counting are two different things.
  • SnowFlinga
    SnowFlinga Posts: 124 Member
    Tracking and counting are two different things.
    True, but not sure where you're going with that. I am relating my own personal experience regarding calorie counting. When I started actually tracking what I was putting in my mouth (while allowing how I "felt" be my guide) I found that I was over eating to the tune of at least 500 calories per day. My portion control was non-existent. My protein intake was through the roof compared to what I really required to maintain my LBM. My control over hunger certainly improves doing a LCHF diet, but it doesn't disappear.

    Over the years after doing Atkins (many years ago) I had "evolved" my diet into a LCLFHP (Low Carb, Low Fat, High Protein) diet (a common mistake by ex-Atkins dieters). Unfortunately that diet put back 30 pounds of the 75 I had lost. Also, I never actually hit my goal weight when I did Atkins (stuck to it seriously for about a year). I came up about 20 pounds shy. Of course I never tracked calories when I did Atkins successfully back then so I totally get why there's so much of that "thought" in many of the Internet discussions and LC books. Looking back I now realize that as I got thinner there came a point where I should have reduced my food intake, but did not. I was also completely unaware of true Ketogenic dieting (LCHF) although the version of the Atkins diet I had read had short references to ketosis and the mac nuts + cream cheese fat fast "trick". I wish I had known then what I know now of LCHF ketogenic WOE.

    So when it comes to calorie counting my view is that you can choose to either be lucky or know for sure what's happening.
  • josephine_x
    josephine_x Posts: 90 Member
    Weight seems to be going up by 2lb a day at the mo! Now I know I'm not eating enough for that to happen and carbs are low, it is my TOM so maybe that's it. I'll try keeping calories down to 15000 and see what happens