My First Time (a question about marathon pace)

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  • SteveTries
    SteveTries Posts: 723 Member
    Much appreciated everyone. Thank you for sharing your experiences.
  • vmclach
    vmclach Posts: 670 Member
    Great intel. Thanks very much!!

    And your initial question..

    When I ran a

    4:09 marathon (my first)- 20 mile training run was at 9:00 pace
    3:47-3:43 marathon- 16-20 milers were around 8:20-8:55 pace, 1:41 half PR, 21:20 5k,
    3:27-3:31 marathon- 16-20milers were 8:15-7:45 pace, 1:33-1:35 half shape, sub 20 5k

    Now I'm hoping to run a 3:10 in the fall.. My long runs will hopefully be around 7:50 pace with a fast finish/tempo incorporated closer to the 7:15-7:00 range..

    This is interesting. I have been trying to decide what marathon time to shoot for, knowing this marathon has a lot of hills in it (approx maybe 1200 ft climb total?) but I held 8 min miles for the philly marathon and am training a lot more for this one. I ran my last 15 miler last weekend at 8 min miles average with the last two miles at 6:45. I keep wondering if 3:15 is a possible goal for me....I have a 42:50 10k and a 44:04 10k in the past 4 months (the later one being 93 degrees, humid and hilly in the afternoon race). I have a 10 miler coming up in september and thought I would maybe guage better using that...I dunno....my goal marathon is nov 2.

    Hmm... I'd say 3:15 is realistic for you. I don't do hills so that 1200 ft climb would steer me clear of any goal lol.. How does running 7:25 pace feel for you? I've ran a 42:20 10k during the split of my 1/2.. I'm not really sure. Marathons are a strange beast. If you're training for a 3:15, might as well go for it.
  • litsy3
    litsy3 Posts: 783 Member

    3:27-3:31 marathon- 16-20milers were 8:15-7:45 pace, 1:33-1:35 half shape, sub 20 5k

    Now I'm hoping to run a 3:10 in the fall.. My long runs will hopefully be around 7:50 pace with a fast finish/tempo incorporated closer to the 7:15-7:00 range..

    I think we're running opposites, as it took me ages to break 20 mins for 5k! But it just seems from your stats that you're better at short-distance speed than long-distance endurance, if you were running a sub 20 5k but a 1:33 half. I'm thinking it might be better to slow down your long runs a bit but maybe do more 20 milers? (Though obviously it depends how many you're already doing)
  • vmclach
    vmclach Posts: 670 Member

    3:27-3:31 marathon- 16-20milers were 8:15-7:45 pace, 1:33-1:35 half shape, sub 20 5k

    Now I'm hoping to run a 3:10 in the fall.. My long runs will hopefully be around 7:50 pace with a fast finish/tempo incorporated closer to the 7:15-7:00 range..

    I think we're running opposites, as it took me ages to break 20 mins for 5k! But it just seems from your stats that you're better at short-distance speed than long-distance endurance, if you were running a sub 20 5k but a 1:33 half. I'm thinking it might be better to slow down your long runs a bit but maybe do more 20 milers? (Though obviously it depends how many you're already doing)

    :-( unfortunately I think that May be the case. I could run a 5:35 mile and a 2:30 800 but my 5k PR was only 22:20...

    I've gotten it down to 19:54ish but usually I'm in the 20-20:45 zone.. I am not so good at distance. I used to think it's because I didn't have a solid base built up as I just started running 3 years ago, but now I think that maybe I'm just not good at it. However, I lack the disipline to actually "train" for specific events. I tend to sabatoge myself by randomly signing up for marathons or ultras throughout the year as well. So who knows :-(
  • lporter229
    lporter229 Posts: 4,907 Member
    BTW, OP, when is your marathon? I would be interested in hearing how your training and race come along. I have a similar (slightly slower) HM PR of 1:52:03. I am hoping to do my second full marathon in January and hoping to do around 9:30-10 min/ mile. My first full was in 2013. I ran with a partner and our only goal was to run the entire race. She set the pace and we finished in just under 5 hours. I was definitely fatigued at the end, but I felt like it was due more to duration than to pace. I think a slightly faster pace would have served me better. Also should note that my HM PR at that time was 2:05.
  • SteveTries
    SteveTries Posts: 723 Member
    @lporter229 - 26th October is my first marathon.

    I have sent you a friend invite so we can share experiences
  • lporter229
    lporter229 Posts: 4,907 Member
    @lporter229 - 26th October is my first marathon.

    I have sent you a friend invite so we can share experiences

    Accepted. Looking forward to it!
  • Carrieendar
    Carrieendar Posts: 493 Member
    Great intel. Thanks very much!!

    And your initial question..

    When I ran a

    4:09 marathon (my first)- 20 mile training run was at 9:00 pace
    3:47-3:43 marathon- 16-20 milers were around 8:20-8:55 pace, 1:41 half PR, 21:20 5k,
    3:27-3:31 marathon- 16-20milers were 8:15-7:45 pace, 1:33-1:35 half shape, sub 20 5k

    Now I'm hoping to run a 3:10 in the fall.. My long runs will hopefully be around 7:50 pace with a fast finish/tempo incorporated closer to the 7:15-7:00 range..

    This is interesting. I have been trying to decide what marathon time to shoot for, knowing this marathon has a lot of hills in it (approx maybe 1200 ft climb total?) but I held 8 min miles for the philly marathon and am training a lot more for this one. I ran my last 15 miler last weekend at 8 min miles average with the last two miles at 6:45. I keep wondering if 3:15 is a possible goal for me....I have a 42:50 10k and a 44:04 10k in the past 4 months (the later one being 93 degrees, humid and hilly in the afternoon race). I have a 10 miler coming up in september and thought I would maybe guage better using that...I dunno....my goal marathon is nov 2.

    Hmm... I'd say 3:15 is realistic for you. I don't do hills so that 1200 ft climb would steer me clear of any goal lol.. How does running 7:25 pace feel for you? I've ran a 42:20 10k during the split of my 1/2.. I'm not really sure. Marathons are a strange beast. If you're training for a 3:15, might as well go for it.

    7:25 feels pretty good to me right now, I start some longer tempo runs after 1 more week of hills, so I will have a better idea then I guess!
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