Strenght training program in a caloric deficit
coccodrillo72
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Hello,
I'm in a caloric deficit and will be for 6 more months. Up until 3 months ago I was following the Stronglifts 5x5 program, which I liked very much, and had good results in strenght gains. Then I had to stop due to a (minor) heart surgery, as my cardiologists seemed to think that weight lifting could be harmful for the heart - if anyone is interested, more on this can be found on my previous topic: http://www.myfitnesspal.com/topics/show/1233967-weight-lifting-damages-the-heart-cardiologist-said
Now I'm lifting again but to be on the safe side I'm following the American Heart Association position on strenght training
http://circ.ahajournals.org/content/early/2007/07/16/CIRCULATIONAHA.107.185214.citation so I have to stay on the 8 to 12 reps range.
My question is: as I'm in a defict (pretty substantial: I'm aiming for a 1% body weight loss per week - which is still considered safe for LBM given my BF level) and my goal for now is to preserve LBM, does the type of strenght training program matter or any program will have more or less the same effect?
Currently I am following a modified version of the Ice Cream Fitness/Jason Blaha 5x5: I replaced the 5 sets of 5 with 4 sets of 8 to 12 reps (using a weekly progression: 8 the first week, 9 the second and so on until 12, then go back to 8 increasing the weight). Is it a bad rookie idea?
I've also seen the All pro program (thanks Eugene) and it's a possibile alternative, but I'm not sure if I'd like a fullbody workout..
Thanks for any advice!
I'm in a caloric deficit and will be for 6 more months. Up until 3 months ago I was following the Stronglifts 5x5 program, which I liked very much, and had good results in strenght gains. Then I had to stop due to a (minor) heart surgery, as my cardiologists seemed to think that weight lifting could be harmful for the heart - if anyone is interested, more on this can be found on my previous topic: http://www.myfitnesspal.com/topics/show/1233967-weight-lifting-damages-the-heart-cardiologist-said
Now I'm lifting again but to be on the safe side I'm following the American Heart Association position on strenght training
http://circ.ahajournals.org/content/early/2007/07/16/CIRCULATIONAHA.107.185214.citation so I have to stay on the 8 to 12 reps range.
My question is: as I'm in a defict (pretty substantial: I'm aiming for a 1% body weight loss per week - which is still considered safe for LBM given my BF level) and my goal for now is to preserve LBM, does the type of strenght training program matter or any program will have more or less the same effect?
Currently I am following a modified version of the Ice Cream Fitness/Jason Blaha 5x5: I replaced the 5 sets of 5 with 4 sets of 8 to 12 reps (using a weekly progression: 8 the first week, 9 the second and so on until 12, then go back to 8 increasing the weight). Is it a bad rookie idea?
I've also seen the All pro program (thanks Eugene) and it's a possibile alternative, but I'm not sure if I'd like a fullbody workout..
Thanks for any advice!
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I'll throw this advice in the ring.
http://www.bodyrecomposition.com/training/weight-training-for-fat-loss-part-1.html
"By metabolic type weight training, I’m referring again to the higher rep/short rest types of training that are often suggested for fat loss on a diet. Loading might be something like 4 sets of 12-15 repetitions (or more) with 30-60 seconds rest or less between sets.
Tension type weight training refers to more traditional heavy weight training. Lower repetitions with longer rest intervals: this might be sets of 5-8 repetitions with 1.5-3 minutes rest between sets or what have you. Just your stock standard traditional type of heavy weight work.
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Metabolic type weight training tends to generate a higher calorie burn than traditional low rep training, the glycogen depletion that occurs increases whole body fat oxidation, and the hormonal response is actually quite similar to interval training.
Of course, many find that their top end strength falls somewhat while dieting; as well, when people get very lean, joints often get a little bit wonky under heavy loads. The lighter loads used in metabolic type work can be beneficial in that regards as well.
So those are the pros for this type of training: increased calorie burn, a nice hormonal response, easier on the joints, depleting muscle glycogen enhances fat oxidation."
"The basic idea of increasing either training frequency or volume in the weight room while dieting is completely *kitten*-backwards on a tremendous number of levels. If there is a single time when overall recovery is going to be reduced (unless you are using steroids), it’s when calories have been reduced. Trying to train more frequently in the weight room on a diet makes no sense.
I’ll come back to this more in Part 2 on Friday."
Make sure you read link for Part 2.
http://www.bodyrecomposition.com/training/weight-training-for-fat-loss-part-2.html0 -
Thanks Bales for the suggestion, I did know Lyle McDonald's article: I'm not a big fan of higher rep workout but I guess I could try to combine it with the heavy workouts in the same days as outlined in the article and see how it goes (currently I train 6 times a week: 3 strenght training sessions and 3 bike/run/walk sessions, so I cannot add more ST).0
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What I did was have 2 split days for upper / lower normal heavy routine I'd worked up to (so 1 x weekly), and after that workout did the other half of body circuit style.
Then 2 other days did just the circuit style whole body. 4 x 20 (though by last set was usually 17 or 18 because still heavy enough).
I did use dumbbells rather than machines though, and it ended up about 4 different paired weights let me hit about 10 different lifts, so I used back room at gym and just hogged the weights on the rack there in pile around me, rarely used anyway.
Then 1 cardio day. So 5 days weekly.
At end of 7 weeks, did not lose any strength at high end.0 -
Assuming your goal is to stay in the 8-12 rep range I don't think it's a bad idea to follow a progression similar to what you have laid out, with increasing reps over weeks followed by increasing weight and reducing reps again.
There's several ways to arrange this - full body 3/week or upper/lower, etc.
If your goal is to retain LBM and you're able to keep a reasonable intensity I think you'll probably be fine.0 -
I'd stick with the modified ICF until such a time it stops working.0
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Currently I am following a modified version of the Ice Cream Fitness/Jason Blaha 5x5: I replaced the 5 sets of 5 with 4 sets of 8 to 12 reps (using a weekly progression: 8 the first week, 9 the second and so on until 12, then go back to 8 increasing the weight). Is it a bad rookie idea?
Just one comment I wanted to add here. That's quite a bit more volume than you will likely benefit from in a caloric deficit. Jason advices 3x5 for the main lifts and 2 sets for the accessories during a cut. Contrast that with what you are doing. I would consider 4 sets of 8 to 12 to be more volume than 5x5, which is the bulking version of the program.
Excessive volume isn't necessarily harmless. If excessive volume triggers a deload for minor injury recovery, you are going to slow your progress due to eating at maintenance and lifting lighter weights until you recover.0