GaleHawkins wrote: »

https://youtube.com/watch?v=dAQr77QMJiw

While the music was not to my taste but this hour long BBC Doc about two forced eating studies. One was in the USA long ago and one was at a UK college in 2012 maybe.

It has a lot of weight loss info as well. Most all gained weight over the 4 weeks of eating 2X maintenance. They lost all gained weight in the following 4 weeks with no calorie restriction or other type dieting effort. That drove home the set point concept in my mind.

They did confirm obese kids develop extra fat cells and if they do lose weight they may have to go hungry the rest of their lives because ALL of the fat cells will scream to be refilled as I took it. I take it that researcher did not know about nutritional ketosis.

If interested take a look at it. I learned more diet science in that hour than ever before but in part because it tied up a lot of loose ends from other readings.

I also posted this link over on the Other Side under Weight Gain.

Gale;

Very good "contribution" to the font of knowledge - if you would, please add it to the "Request for Submissions - Videos" thread so it will get added to the Launch Pad.

I really do want to be able to "buy in" to the "set point concept" for a couple of reasons.

First, if true, it would not only confirm that at least to some degree there is good reason to suggest that setting artificial "target goals" that are substantially below one's set point, is probably not a good approach (nor would it be likely to be sustainable).

Second, because I do respect my Cardio's opinion and knowledge, and he's a proponent of the concept. While I've argued the point with him on a number of occasions, I'd be happy to be able to agree with him, IF I can be convinced.

Problem is, there is just too much controversy and too many conflicting points of view - even among those advocating based on what I'd consider "solid science" (as it appears this study is).

If you haven't already seen this video, take a look. It's a Gary Taubes lecture. While he is not a science or medical researcher, he is a long term "researcher of the researchers" and bases his talks (and beliefs) on a very thorough knowledge of the complete body of knowledge.
Taubes Cornell Lecture 2014

His speech doesn't address the "set point" concept specifically, but in it he does describe a number of studies that call into question both the whole set point idea, and the degree to which the "genetically predetermined" concept espoused in the BBC video, applies.

What jumped out to me in the BBC video was the fact that the study group appeared to all be young adults, and as a group, significantly closer to "lean" and of "ideal" overall health markers, then the population as a whole.

That's not a "bad" thing, of course, but it's also not representative sample of either our group or the general population.

To what degree the conclusions of this particular study influenced the opinions and beliefs of the various doctors/researchers that commented though, is a question I don't think we can answer.

How far the conclusions can be extended to the overall population though, remains troubling for me.

My guess is that, as in the case with a number of the "details" of LCHF, LC, VLCHF, or many of the other "options", it's entirely possible that *both* points of view might be correct - to varying degrees and in different individuals.

Well I ended up watching the Atkins one first then the thin one and tomorrow I will watch the sleep one It is well past my bed time. Very interesting. I was adopted and found my birth family at 32. All of us were pretty thin almost 33 years ago and at that time I had been on Atkins about 10 years so I was almost alarmingly thin and some times having trouble hanging onto 100 pounds. Then the years went by and all of us are obese. Some of us more so than others I am still one of the thinner ones but still obese. This goes for my Aunts to. Not so much my uncles. But as a child I do remember being sent to school with my diet lunch of cottage cheese and jello because after I was 4 years old and had my tonsils out I suddenly had a weight problem.

I know my husbands nurse flat out said to me it is my fault I am so fat it is CICO done deal. It really hurt my feelings. I hope I get to see her next June and I will be thin. Part of my problem was being off my thyroid because of lack of insurance. Part of it I think is heredity. MY Mom and Father were also very heavy. Mom not so much now because she had a medical problem and lost a lot of weight. Father died in May but the last time I saw him he was about 250 and about 5 foot 9 inches tall;