Fasting Fridays
blindboyjonny
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Just completed my first Fasting Friday. 24 hours of fasting. If you would like to see how this can help, check out the YouTube six part video series by Dr. Jason Fung on obesity. There is research that shows that periodic fasting is actually good for you. Commonly referred to in the Paleo community as intermittent fasting. I am hoping for better results than Carb Night in my particular case. Weigh in is Sunday in the AM. Stay tuned...
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Good O, I do them as well did 24 hr and broke it last night at 900 pm, will be breaking today's IF at 15 hrs.0
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I do 16 hr IF daily. Only eat from 2pm to 8pm. Though I would do a fast Friday. As a diabetic, Carb Nite doesn't seem like a stroke of brilliance for me. Thanks again.0
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I used to do fasting, but haven't in awhile. Sundays were usually my day.0
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Johnny I don't do Carb Nite Plan. even sometimes have some grains though I'm soing the whole 30 at the moment. So a little more restrictive than my norm. I do try to keep bulk of my carb intake in the evenings. Though since I work out fasted, I do include some when I break my fasts for the day. I generally eat sometime between 12 - 16 hrs from last evening meal but not real strict. Generally I eat just a couple times per day.0
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I typically eat twice a day.... 2:00pm and 7-8pm. I have the advantage of doing this journey with my wife, and because of that we don't keep any sugar or grains in the house. I am keeping my carbs under 50 grams, and have not felt hunger in weeks. My thinking is that strength and muscle are modified at the gym, fat and weight are managed at the table.0
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Love to see all the IFers chiming in. Fasting Friday is a great idea. I'm doing 1-9 eating window currently though sometimes it gets move to 2-930 depending on when I get away for lunch. I haven't been training in the mornings so I'm not training fasted but training fasted is seriously one of my favorite feelings. I don't feel weighed down by all the food and can really get into an uninterrupted rhythm.
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I just posted on the main thread before I saw this. I like IF, I'm doing IF and CN right now. I'm kinda curious to see how much I training I can do while fasting.
For me, carb nite works because it keeps me "straight" on my ULC days.0 -
Also the is a lot science on controlled insulin spikes and how it helps metabolism0
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I tried to do a Nother 24 hour fast last Monday. Got pretty darn hungry by 6 o'clock. Made it though. We'll do another fasting Friday tomorrow. It'sseems to work well, so far. Lost fivepounds last week. Don't know if Friday helped or not. We will see what happens this week. I don't want to go back to the cravings that eating carbs gives me.0
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Posted this on Whole 30 thread but got to thinking it has some rlevence here and interested to read folks thoughts on the experiment
So day 10 of Whole 30. I'm finding it very interesting as to how this is still improving my hunger awareness and control. I'm doing an n=1 this morning, with T3, Keto Force 20 ml, MCT oil 20 ml, BCAA 7g 2:1:1, and Taurine 3g supplementation. After clean carb loading yesterday following my Thursday 24 hr fast, Fasted morning Glucose was 87 Fri and 90 this morning Followed T3 with Jens Jaunt, and Glucose down to 77, Took the rest of the supplements as a stack in 1 L of water, 30 min later Glucose at 88 1 hr later at 84. Fixing to do a light weight work out (heavy Lift day tomorrow) and see where it is then. Will eat around noon for 15 hr fast from last night. and check it 2 hrs later.0 -
Those are very decent glucose levels, right John?0
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Carol - Yep those are good, what is driving the experiment is the fasted morning glucose number, Mine has been fluctuating high it sometimes will be as high as 125 but average is 108 early in the am, this has my hba1c level a bit high, so trying to get a good consistent number in the am. 24 Hr fasting is the only thing that has changed it, but the change is fairly short lived, 2-3 days. Trying that stack of supps to see if it might help prolong the morning levels, each element has some research that shows it may be helpful to glucose control.
- I know you've played around with glucose numbers as well what you think?
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I've been listening to some of DH Kiefer's interviews on YouTube. Some as old as 2 years ago. In one he spoke about having reviewed research that suggests that a "healthy" individual gains nothing biologically by fasting more than 12 hours. However, if you're "sick" or obese it's been shown that fasting for 24 hours and perhaps up to a week has a benefit in allowing the body to heal itself. This due to eliminating the "bad" foods stressing your body's health.0
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Arturo - Actually Dominic D'Agistino points out some research and, their are some others as well on The IHMC lecture series on You tube, that says it can benefit pretty much everybody to do it once or twice per year for a fast of 24-72 hrs. IF fasting is less conclusive. The two times per year study suggests it improves/slow aging process.0
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John - Uh, back in the day I think that was called ... WINTER.0
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John, are sleep, stress dialed for you? While I know conventional wisdom says fasting blood sugar 100-115 is normal, I consider that still fairly high. I think truly healthy people with a proper diet should be less than 90 on average (and your a1c at 6.0 scares me). The stress thing could be a factor, particularly how often you do high volume deadlift work. That's a huge stressor on the central nervous system. Sounds like you also do a significant amount of fasting, another stressor. Yes, some stress to your body is great. But it's so easy to do too much, esp. If there's other more typical mental stress. Glad to see you jaunting and doing that sort of restorative movement. But in addition to those supplement stacks, maybe think about your strength training volume or amount of fasting. I think Arturo is dead in the 12 hours is optimal and only the very occasional longer. And only when not otherwise stressed.
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Kim - Sleep is fairly good though occasionally not where I like it. My Heavy Lifting is only I day per week, and my other lift day is much lower weight with a higher volume. I add a Tabata set on my walk one day per week and some weeks not at all, Yep the A1C is the one issue I have from my blood testing and I generally don't push it but was quite surprised when I felt as good as I did last Thursday (it wasn't in the plan). My original plan on fasting was to do a 24 hr one, wait two months and try for 36, wait three months and try of 48m then repeat cycle next year. The IF stuff is just kind of where things fall at the moment but I do eat when I'm hungry, I pay pretty close attention to how I feel in the morning, and not afraid to take a day off if I need it. and speaking of HRV did my first baseline measure this morning, using Elite HRV haven't been able to get sweetbeat to recognize my Polar H7 band (got it last week just for this purpose). Sync up fine with the Elite Ap and also with Mapmyfitness as well. Speaking of which I'm on Mapmyfitness as John Ellis Sr0
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John, I'm not sure if I would worry about a morning fasting glucose in the range that you specified. I don't know if you have diabetic tendencies or not, but occasionally your body can get a " morning bump". This is caused by the blood sugar going low in the very early AM with a resulting glucose dump by the liver to cover it. This seems to only happen while sleeping. Fasting during the day, your observations should be in line with your norms.
To all, the current record for fasting is held by a man who fasted 389 days straight. He started at 450 lbs and was monitored by medical staff with no apparent harm to his system. Once the body becomes ketotic, glucose is no longer needed, though the liver still produces some. Glucose levels have been observed down at 20 with no apparent side effects. If you were not keto adapted with those numbers, you would be in a coma close to death. Keeping carbs below 50gr for the last 15 days is showing that I have some keto adaptation on my meter. I think IF is also helping.0 -
Jonny - I don't like the word Worry here. I generally don't worry much about anything though I will take steps to fix stuff that I think needs fixin. I found a chart that shows the correlation with HbA1c and glucose averages, 6.0 = 120 average blood glucose. That's an average that's 5 pts higher than the given normal limits. In the scheme of things and at my age nothing to worry about so much as something to work on. Which was telling me that higher average was slipping under the radar so to speak. So off on my adventure to figure it out. That being said, today's was 93 which now marks the fourth day, of a good result.
- Kim- Also to my surprise after a heavy lift day yesterday my HRV was Green this morning.
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I apologize. I believed I said not to worry about the morning bump, not the average. If you have a 6.0 a 1C, then there is something that is upping that average when you'refasting is down at 90/93. What are your readings two hours after a meal? Keep up the good work. You are an inspiration for us all.0
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Either way jonny its less a worry than an interesting problem. I find it interesting because my glucose recovers well into the 80's within an hour or so after a meal. What I;m wondering is due to my life long history of fasted workout in the early am; has my body adapted and now automatically produce early am glucose because I have such a long history of needing it that time of day. Haven't yet found any research that has tested that.0
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That is a very interesting question. I am also curious why you have a120 h1c average when you are spending so much time in the 90s. My math tells me you have to be spending some time in the 150s to balance that out to 120. Things are getting curiouser and curiouser.good luck with your journey and research. That was A1C.0
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Jonny that's why I am so curious as well, since I haven't been able to find a spike that high even 20 min post meal.0
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