Recently increased my calorie intake, weight loss has stalled

CrazyAnimalLady
CrazyAnimalLady Posts: 104 Member
edited November 11 in Social Groups
Hi, I recently did a hydrostatic fat test that showed I was severely under eating. I've lost 105 lbs in the last 2 years but I was getting very tired during my workouts which are quite intense. I was formerly eating about 1400-1700 calories a day, but recently increased to 2300-2500 daily, with one cheat day weekly (moderate, usually more like a cheat meal). So here's my question. Ever since increasing my calories in November my weight hasn't budged. I promptly gained about 6 lbs and it's just staying there (mostly water I'm sure since it happened pretty much overnight). I'm also hungry ALL the time. On less calories I wasn't so tempted to eat, but now that's all I think about. Does my body just need more time to adjust? Or am I still not eating enough and that's why my body is craving more food? Thanks in advance for your opinions!

Some info about me to help:
I crossfit 5-6 times a week, and double up 2x per week.
6' tall and 249 lbs with 172 lbs of lean mass.
Based off of the fat test I had my BMR is 2,222 and my TDEE is 3,174
My protein goal is 175g daily, I usually meet or exceed it, and take measure not to drop below 160g

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  • Jennbecca33
    Jennbecca33 Posts: 321 Member
    edited January 2015
    How many hours a week are you doing crossfit?

    There are a couple of things here. You've lost a large amount of weight in the past but you got there by severely undereating. Your metabolism is probably suppressed quite a bit, so when increasing calories, you can expect and gain on the scale and for some, it takes quite awhile for the body to adjust. In your case since you underrate so long, you should probably consider a full metabolic reset - which means increasing cals all the way up to your TDEE number and eating at that level for 9-12 weeks before introducing a deficit again. This allows your metabolism to heal. Since you're really hungry, also another sign you need to increase even more.

    I'm not sure how accurate that kind of fat test is. When I input your numbers into Scooby (not sure of your age), using a 15% deficit, I come up with a BMR of 1916 (which is lower than your test indicated) and TDEE of 3305 (which is higher than your test indicated) using 5-6 hour activity level. You may even be the next level up of you have more than 6 hours of crossfit and it you aren't sedentary the rest of the time. So that has you eating 2809 calories daily (or higher if you go up an activity level) for fat loss. It sounds to me like your TDEE is higher than your test indicated but it will take some experimenting for you to figure out - but I do think you should increase calories some more. There are some threads on the forums where you can read about increasing calories and resets.

    http://scoobysworkshop.com/accurate-calorie-calculator/

    I should also note than even with your test TDEE of 3174, when you take a 15% deficit from that, it still has you eating 2700 cals daily, so still under eating even when using the lowest TDEE possibility. Again, a full reset is probably best in your case.
  • CrazyAnimalLady
    CrazyAnimalLady Posts: 104 Member
    I crossfit 5-6 days a week and the lengths of the wods can range from 15 mins to 60 mins, so it's hard to say exactly the amount of time per week that I exercise. That doesn't include our warm ups, which are typically about 15 mins, and also 2x/week I do an endurance wod on top of the regular one, which is 20-40 mins, depending on the wod (endurance wods are all cardio). My exercise load is pretty heavy, and lots of weight lifting included in there weekly.

    The fat test that I had is supposed to be 99.9% accurate (http://www.bodyfattest.com), it's the kind that they submerge you in water and use your weight by volume to assess muscle mass vs fat mass. I'm not sure how accurate the calorie calculation portion of it is, but I know the percentage of fat vs lean mass is extremely accurate.

    I've looked at the calculators on Scooby's workshop, as well as Eat to Perform. The eat to perform one allows you to input your lean mass (I prefer that one because my body weight is kind of deceiving, only 30% body fat down from about 60%). Scooby says I should eat 2,600/day and ETP has me at a 2,700 (with 20% calorie reduction). I've just been hesitant to jump up that much a day.

    If I were to do a full reset, and eat about 3,000 calories a day, how long would I have to do that for before your body would "reset"?
  • Jennbecca33
    Jennbecca33 Posts: 321 Member
    OK, so I'm curious now on that hydrostatic fat test, how did they come up with your TDEE then? That's the part that seems off to me.

    When you increase your calories, just go slowly. Add 100 calories a day per week - for example: eat 2200 daily for a week, the next week eat 2300 daily). If you go slowly, you'll help to minimize gains and it will give your body time to adjust as well as your brain. :) It is scary to increase that much, but once you get your head wrapped around the idea of it, you realize that's what your body really needs.

    EM2WL recommends 9 weeks minimum for a full reset - preferably 12. You could increase slowly to your 15% deficit number and stay there for several weeks and monitor your progress. If you're still stuck, that probably indicates you need a reset. I hope this helps!
  • CrazyAnimalLady
    CrazyAnimalLady Posts: 104 Member
    Sorry, I just re-read your reply and see that you said 9-12 weeks
  • CrazyAnimalLady
    CrazyAnimalLady Posts: 104 Member
    Thanks, I'll try gradually increasing it. With the fat test, the computers come up with the numbers, I'm not 100% sure how it's calculated. I attached the test results so you can see what it looks likeopxxduz0h5aw.jpg
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  • Jennbecca33
    Jennbecca33 Posts: 321 Member
    OK, that's interesting! So that 2222 number was your RMR, not BMR. RMR should be a bit higher, so that seems right on with the calculators too. I think you are just more active than the average person, so therefore your TDEE is higher than the one they averaged for you. They really have no way of knowing how active you are going to be any given week.
  • CrazyAnimalLady
    CrazyAnimalLady Posts: 104 Member
    Ahhh ok, I thought RMR and BMR were the same thing, didn't realize they were different. Thank you for your help, I'm going to raise up to 2,700 and then gradually after that to the 3000-3200 range for about 2 months and hope that this works.
  • CrazyAnimalLady
    CrazyAnimalLady Posts: 104 Member
    Update :) I upped my calories to the 3100-3400 range for 3 months, and I've put on 20 lbs :s I don't know where it's really gone, I doubt it's all fat. Maybe a couple of pounds of it are but for the most part my clothes fit exactly the same and I don't look like I've gained any weight at all. I'm just so confused on where the 20 lbs could have gone - Is that normal? I've started my cut again and reduced to 2,700 calories a day but I haven't lost any weight since doing that. Any suggestions?
  • heybales
    heybales Posts: 18,842 Member
    edited May 2015
    Should have dropped at least the initial water weight that always happens when going in to a diet - unless you are eating more sodium now.
    Or workouts have increased in intensity (wrong time to do that, going in to a diet).

    But the math, 20 lbs in 3 months, or 90 days then?
    Take out probably 2 lbs water weight from glucose stores topped off.

    18 x 3500 / 90 = 700 calorie surplus daily if that was indeed all fat.

    Implying of course the real TDEE would be 2400-2700.

    Which seems low if that workload has continued.

    If crossfit was new and starting how from a vastly different lifestyle, some of that could be muscle too, for woman - 1 lb every 6-8 weeks. So say 2 lbs.
    And then the increased glucose stores in there and total body from starting out and adding more - 1 lb.

    15 x 3500 / 90 = 583 surplus

    Depending on your accuracy of food logging - that's actually sounding more possible, meaning you actually ate more than you think.

    And as to how you gain your fat - I've seen 2 studies of people that gained weight while still exercising, and the fat distribution is different than when people gained while sedentary.

    So wouldn't be unlikely that it's not noticable.

    My only concern is that still seems like low eating level for your BF% based BMR/RMR and level of workouts.

    If that was truly excess eating to that degree - your workouts should have increased in performance an incredible amount.
    Which might be hard to discern between just starting out and those improvements, and from eating in surplus.

    Because it's also been shown that people can stress body enough to elevate cortisol and retain upwards of 20 lbs of water weight.
  • CrazyAnimalLady
    CrazyAnimalLady Posts: 104 Member
    I've been doing Crossfit for 2 years, so it's definitely not a workload my body isn't used to. I also am fairly active when I'm not at the gym, there are rarely days when I'm sitting around doing nothing. Our programming has changed and we are doing a lot more weight lifting and strength training programs on a daily basis, I've always been a salt lover so I wouldn't say that salt has increased, and I drink 1 1/2 gallons of water daily
  • heybales
    heybales Posts: 18,842 Member
    So the last equation of gaining max muscle for woman because this was new to you doesn't apply. Do anything but straight progressive lifting isn't going to cause those sorts of gains.

    But it could be with more strict lifting that the calorie burn has indeed gone down, which it would.
    And the retain water for repair has gone up, which it would if good lifting routines.

    So good going down minor amount. If you don't see weight loss expected for that deficit in 4 weeks, then need to drop lower as your TDEE really isn't that high.

    If this is almost daily - they are dividing up the workouts such that you are NOT doing lifting or anything intense on muscles just used for good lifting the prior day?

    The expose I saw on the ability and ease to get certified for crossfit trainer and gym didn't inspire me to them doing those things correctly.
    Things like allowing proper rest and recovery for repair.
  • CrazyAnimalLady
    CrazyAnimalLady Posts: 104 Member
    Yes it's definitely possible that with the new training I am not burning as much, so I will definitely pay attention to that. Our programming is good, they definitely give you a good rotation of muscle groups being used, you don't get consecutive days of the same muscle group being used. Some days it's heavy lifting, other days it's all cardio.
  • butterbear1980
    butterbear1980 Posts: 234 Member
    I'm going to throw out crazy ideas based on no science or studies at all...so you are n my fl and I am so proud of you for trying em2wl!

    I hope hey bales chimes back in on my ideas with science :)....

    So....let's start with carbs before were you doing low carb or paleo? When I initially upped cals last year I went up 6# not two because I was coming off low carb.

    How has this weight come on? Was it 6# at first and .5/WK since then. If so its my understanding that 1/2 of that is muscle.

    Even though you aren't getting the newbie gains with lifting could it be possible to see serious recomp if you have been restricting cals below BMR for so long and then start feeding the machine ? right, it makes sense you would see some serious recomp.

    You haven't put on inches but gained 20#. That...to me....says recomp!

    Are you looking to find your tdee and stop gaining? Have you tried taking your current tdee and reducing it 10% for 7 days. If you are at a deficit you should have 3# loss of water. If you don't your still above tdee, right....
  • heybales
    heybales Posts: 18,842 Member
    Very true points.

    Now, recomp as term is usually used to mean no weight change, but fat lost and LBM gained, hopefully some of that being muscle mass, though water weight is usually part of that LBM too.

    So that's why I was speculating that since a woman doesn't gain muscle that fast, so may be some muscle, more other stuff.

    But workout performance should take a great leap for the extra muscle - unless now an issue of just time for a break has come about, and body is just plain stressed.
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