Warm Up Sets and Stretching

VeryKatie
VeryKatie Posts: 5,961 Member
edited November 2024 in Social Groups
Hello all!

I'm finally at the point where I actually should be doing warm up sets for SL5x5 on the squats.

The program website says to do 2x5 on the empty bar and then to add 25 - 45 lbs, do 2 - 3 reps, add 25 - 45 lb, do 2 - 3 reps (repeat until you're at your lifting weight for the day).

As women, did you find adding 25 - 45 lbs each time too much? How much would you recommend adding each time? I was thinking 20 lbs (10 lb each side since that's easy at least). Or was the 25 - 45 lbs ok?

I do usually walk to the gym for 10 - 15 mins (depending how much pep I have left after work) and do a 5 minute jog on the treadmill to get my legs warm... or at least that's what I have been doing. But warming up with the actual exercises I'm going to do sounds smart to me.

Also, are there any stretches you find particularly good? I haven't been too bad yet, but I imagine as the weight gets heavier I'll need to do better stretching (and eventually foam rolling - not that I have any idea how to do that either haha). I'd really like some suggestions on how to stretch my lower back (front to back and side to side) so that it stays loose the next day.

Thanks!

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  • Fittreelol
    Fittreelol Posts: 2,535 Member
    Here is what I do. This may or may not work for you. I typically do 531 so there is a squat day, bench day, ohp day, and deadlift day.

    If I go after work or on the weekend I don't do any cardio. If I go before work I haven't even had coffee so I do some cardio to sort of wake up, but only like 3-5 minutes. Plus I started going before work in Nov-ish so it's always cold, and I need to literally warm up.

    Then I do my Joe Defranco warm up. If it's lower body day I do modified limber 11, modified simple 6, and https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-Lnqtibxboo when I say modified I take out things where it doesn't work for me for some reason. Like I never feel the stretch on the shoulder capsule stretch so why bother. I also add in quad rolling and this calf stretch which really seems to help me squat better, and also helped with shin splints http://maxpotentialsports.com/2013/07/29/preventing-shin-splints/ If it's an upper body day I'll do them all if I have time, but if not then I just do the simple 6 and shoulder health. Everything combined takes me 10-12 minutes. Maybe 15 if I'm really feeling a certain stretch.

    NOW IT IS TIME FOR LIFT! Probably the best way to go about things is percentage based, but I'm lazy so I use plate math. I generally go up by full plates or 25's on lower body lifts (which is 40-50 lbs jump), but I've been at this a while. The simplest way is to start with the bar, and then go from 40-50% of your working weight for the day and jump by 10-15% ish each time. I prefer to do sets of 5 on all my warmups, but the closer you get to your working weight the lower reps you really need to do. So if your squat is say 150 you could do 45x5, 85x5, 105x3, 125x3 135x1 then 150 5x5. For something that is much closer to the bar weight say OHP which might be at 60 lbs you could do 45 2x5, 50x3, 55x1 then 60 5x5. There's really only a couple advantages to warming up with bigger jumps 1. If you compete or plan on competing in strongman or powerlifting where you will have to make big jumps during competition. or 2. saves time int he gym.
  • VeryKatie
    VeryKatie Posts: 5,961 Member
    Great info! Thank you :)
  • krokador
    krokador Posts: 1,794 Member
    Um, as far as warm-up sets I like the Wendler 5/3/1 progression (40, 50, 60% of training max, 5/5/3 reps). Obv. I go in a bit more by feel than exact percentages (plate switching can get tedious) but say for squats, if my working set is 150, I'll do 45x5-8 (depending on how I feel), 75x5, 105x5, 135x3. Deadlifts? Say working set is 200 I'll go 95x5, 135x5, 165x3, 185x2. Benchpress @ 120? 45x5-8, 65x5, 95x5, 105x3. OHP @ 75 would go 35x5, 55x5, 65x3.

    As for stretching, the sumo squat stretch is pretty awesome, and so is the long lunge or whatever it's called. And for the lower back, I'd say some yoga moves here could be your best allies. Cat cow, child's pose, broken table/bird dog (yeah, weird name), hip flexor kneeling stretch...

    You might wanna look up DeFranco's Limber 11 or Agile 8. That routine is pretty good as far as lower body mobility. Also, if you don't know him yet, look up Kelly Starret (Kstarr) and his mobility WODs. LOTS of great info there. I need to spend more time on his stuff personally!
  • krokador
    krokador Posts: 1,794 Member
    Also forgot to say, my actual daily warm-up consists in a few reps of an inchworm complex that englobes a lot of those active stretches you'll find in the limber 11, 3-5 minutes of jump rope, a slew of band pull-aparts and shoulder dislocations and a full body bar only warm-up consisting of high pulls, shoulder presses, overhead squats and good mornings (I'll switch up my grip width to keeps things fresh and work on some different angles, too).

    All in all I start getting into my work about 15 minutes after getting to the gym, but at that point I'm capable of sinking ATG and bend my arms backwards something silly. Lol (Bear in mind I go in at 6, first thing in the AM, when I'm stiff as a board and sometimes can't even bend down to begin with)
  • I would think that if you walk to the gym, you probably don't need the minutes on the treadmill.

    I like doing lift warmups too, but tend to stick with just a couple of sets before my working weight. I also just follow what the app says. So, I'm at 135 lbs. on squats and here are the recommended warmups:

    2x5 @ 45 lbs
    1x3 @ 95 lbs.
    1x3 @‌ 115 lbs.
    Working sets @ 135 lbs.

    As the weight gets heavier, I find that doing a few reps rather than a full set of 5 works better for me. I think about it as moving my body in the "right" way as preparation for the working sets, not about adding volume, you know?

    I also save my stretching for after my workouts.
  • AbsoluteTara79
    AbsoluteTara79 Posts: 266 Member
    I need to research this. I haven't really been warming up much and I know that I should. But when the rack is open when I get there, I feel like I just need to snatch it up.
  • Fittreelol
    Fittreelol Posts: 2,535 Member
    I need to research this. I haven't really been warming up much and I know that I should. But when the rack is open when I get there, I feel like I just need to snatch it up.

    As long as you do warm up sets you should be fine. I just do mobility as a warm up because if not I don't get it done, and then I hurt.

  • DawnEmbers
    DawnEmbers Posts: 2,451 Member
    For warm up I tend to do a couple of things the trainers showed me during the free session where I learned form. I use the TRX a little, push up against a rail, body squats and if I have the patience and don't need to jump quick to the squat rack, foam roll. I do warm up sets for the first two lifts, though I've started also doing a warm up with deadlift too. I sometimes skip the before stuff a little if I'm doing it after work but not often.

    The numbers depend how I feel. For squat I will do a set or two with the bar, add 10's on each side, then maybe switch them for 25's and from there, depends how I feel. After the bar I do less reps but all based on in the moment. I save the hard work for the main 5 though. On OHP I do the bar and just maybe one extra warmup set with a little weight since there isn't much room. Bench I'll do a set with the bar, 55, maybe 65 or so, depends, then main. Deadlift is 135 for 5 then add more weight after mathing to get desired number.

    I do treadmill after as sort of a cool down but I don't often jog during same gym session as lifting. I just walk.
  • canadianlbs
    canadianlbs Posts: 5,199 Member
    i am really being pressured by my chiropractor to stretch after lifting - not in preference to stretching before, but 'definitely do it afterwards even if you skip the warmup.' his (and his backup buddy's) position in it is 'we' - him and his medical community or something, i guess - are finding that post-workout stretching encourages the body to build 'a better quality of tissue' in the muscles that have been worked. i will say that a similar idea seemed to make a good difference to my recovery rates from whiplash decades ago. at that point the advice was to make sure i stretched when i woke up in the morning, because your body spends the night building new muscle fibres and dumping them into the general zone that they belong in, but stretching while they're still new 'trains' them to align themselves smoothly with the muscle you already have. less of that clumped-up bunchy scar tissue, kind of idea.

    so i'm complying for now on the cooldown stretching with good results so far, and i'll let you guys know how that goes.
  • mymodernbabylon
    mymodernbabylon Posts: 1,038 Member
    I always do stretching afterwards but not before. If I'm walking beforehand (and it's in the evening), I count that as my warm-up, otherwise I just do 5-10 minutes of cardio of some form. For warm-up sets, this is what I did last time for my squat (which is at 50kg):
    1x5 - 30 kg
    1x5 - 40 kg

    As I get into higher weights, I'll do less reps but more warm-up sets (1x5, 1x3, 1x2, going up 10 kg at a time).
  • bruerin
    bruerin Posts: 124 Member
    I would march all around my house just to get a little warm (early am workouts), then do dynamic stretching and some of the moves from agile 8--particularly the hydrant hip circles help me with mobility. Then a few warm up sets, then workout. I had gotten into the habit of really stretching and foam rolling afterwards and found it made a huge difference in reducing the DOMS.

  • xcalygrl
    xcalygrl Posts: 1,897 Member
    For my warm-ups, i start with 5 reps of the empty bar. Then I start adding weight. Currently, I'm doing the following:
    45# 1x5
    50# 1x5
    70# 1x5
    Then working weight of 160#. Basically I get warmed-up during those three sets without fatiguing my muscles, then I jump into my working weight. If I still feel tight during/after my first set, I will take the 3 mins between sets and do some dynamic stretching, but I hardly ever have to do that.

    (The reason I do those weights is because that's what I'm adding to the bar to get to my working weight. Start with the bar, add 2.5 on each side, put 10s on, then put on the 45s to get my working weight.)
  • canadianlbs
    canadianlbs Posts: 5,199 Member
    i use empty-bar warmups as well, as a way of checking to see how in-the-game my head is wrt my form before i get started for real. stretching sets up mobility, but the light reps during warmup are more for kind of initiating all the muscles i'm planning to use.

    i could justify it with something technical like 'priming them with a bit of lactic acid' or getting the neurons firing or something, but i just think of it as the same thing that happens when i unplug my ip modem and then plug it back in. seventeen different cycles of different combinations of lights going on and off while it checks all its own circuits, and then it kicks in.
  • I stretch while warming up. I usually only do a few reps as I get closer to my working weight because I don't want to wear myself out before I even work out. Upper body stuff like bench, rows, and OHP, I don't do many warm ups because a. the weight isn't very high and b. I need to save my energy. I need to get better about cooling down.
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