pushup plateau

amackg
amackg Posts: 48 Member
edited November 15 in Social Groups
Advice on how to get out of a plateau for pushups

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  • AllanMisner
    AllanMisner Posts: 4,140 Member
    Is your goal just to be able to do more pushups? Or do you want some strength gains?
  • Out_of_Bubblegum
    Out_of_Bubblegum Posts: 2,220 Member
    edited March 2015
    It's hard to give good advice without more info - how many are you doing now? How often? How long have you been in a plateau, what have you tried so far?

    But... in general, here is some info that may help:

    Pushup plateau is often caused by not enough core strength, aggravated by poor form... Eventually as your core muscles soften, your back breaks plane, putting more strain on your shoulders, triceps and pectorals, until they fatigue, which eventually forces you to stop. If your core can hold good form longer, that allows the arms to keep doing their job (pushing the earth down repeatedly.)

    If you augment your pushups with other core-building activities, it can do wonders for your pushup #'s. Plank, v-ups, bicycle crunches, and even squats will help you get to a better pushup, which will help you do more.

    When doing pushups, pay attention to your form. Imagine a board lying flat against your back - keep it perfectly straight. Keep your arms just over shoulder width apart, not allowing your elbows to flare to the side too much. Don't allow your hip to flex upward or downward throughout the pushup, and keep your head forward and face down so that your nose is the first thing to touch the ground (not your chest or forehead).

    Here are 2 methods of increasing your pushup count:

    1 - Pushup to failure method: Basically do as many as you can in a single set - until you are physically unable to continue. Wait 2 minutes, and do it again.. wait 3 minutes and do it again. If your current max is 40, then you would probably do 40, then 35ish, then probably about 25 (depending on your pain threshold), for a total volume of ~100 pushups. Theory is that over time, your muscles will adapt, get stronger, and more efficient, and you will be able to do more. I hate this method, but it does work for many people up to a point.


    2 - Broken sets method: Do half of your current max, 5 times, rest 2 minutes between sets. Alternate increasing # of sets or # of reps every week (week 1 increase to 6 sets. Week 2, increase reps by 10%, Week 3 increase to 7 sets, etc). So as example, if you max is 40 pushups, you would do 20 pushups, rest 2 minutes, 20 more, rest, etc - for a total of 100 pushups.

    Starting volume should be 2.5x your current max, and work up from there. Retest your max no more than once every 2-4 weeks.

    Repeat no more than 3x/week. Rest is very important to allow for muscle recovery and strength building.

    I like #2 a lot more - it's a little slower than #1, but it allows you to really work on keeping good form while doing the pushups, which is really important to avoid future plateaus. If you find your pushup form is bad, then you're doing too much too soon... reduce the quantity and improve your form, and work back up from there.
  • amackg
    amackg Posts: 48 Member
    Is your goal just to be able to do more pushups? Or do you want some strength gains?
    I would like to get as much strength out of this as possible.

  • AllanMisner
    AllanMisner Posts: 4,140 Member
    amackg wrote: »
    Is your goal just to be able to do more pushups? Or do you want some strength gains?
    I would like to get as much strength out of this as possible.

    If strength is your goal, doing more push ups isn’t the way. You’ll need to add progression. How many regular push ups can you do now?
  • Out_of_Bubblegum
    Out_of_Bubblegum Posts: 2,220 Member
    amackg wrote: »
    Is your goal just to be able to do more pushups? Or do you want some strength gains?
    I would like to get as much strength out of this as possible.

    If strength is your goal, doing more push ups isn’t the way. You’ll need to add progression. How many regular push ups can you do now?

    Agreed. Large sets increase muscle endurance, not necessarily strength beyond a certain point. There is a significant difference there.
  • cajuntank
    cajuntank Posts: 924 Member
    edited March 2015
    Push-ups are no different than any other utilization of stimulus to increase strength. If you are stuck and have been stuck for a while, you probably have come to your genetic point of being able to take advantage of using linear progression for said movement and now it time to change things up. Just like weight training, you will need to incorporate, other methodologies in your training. So for example (and I have no idea what your push-up regimen is) let's assume your regimen is 3x (M,W,F) a week. Then you could periodization that week so that you are doing your volume sets the first day; then on the second day, you change the angle of your body (maybe put your feet on a chair) where you shift more focus to your upper chest, being weaker so your volume will go down; then on the third day, you wear a weighted vest (or whatever method you can find to increase weight) to work on a few heavy sets. And this is just one example. Looking at intermediate weight lifting programs for strength will give you some ideas of different variables and tools you can use to provide continuing stimulus for gains and advise on fatigue mitigation as you become more trained (which is probably a major component of your current problem).
  • amackg
    amackg Posts: 48 Member

    I would like to get as much strength out of this as possible.

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    If strength is your goal, doing more push ups isn’t the way. You’ll need to add progression. How many regular...
    About 50

  • amackg
    amackg Posts: 48 Member
    cajuntank wrote: »
    Push-ups are no different than any other utilization of stimulus to increase strength. If you are stuck and have been stuck for a while, you probably have come to your genetic point of being able to take advantage of using linear progression for said movement and now it time to change things up. Just like weight training, you will need to incorporate, other methodologies in your training. So for example (and I have no idea what your push-up regimen is) let's assume your regimen is 3x (M,W,F) a week. Then you could periodization that week so that you are doing your volume sets the first day; then on the second day, you change the angle of your body (maybe put your feet on a chair) where you shift more focus to your upper chest, being weaker so your volume will go down; then on the third day, you wear a weighted vest (or whatever method you can find to increase weight) to work on a few heavy sets. And this is just one example. Looking at intermediate weight lifting programs for strength will give you some ideas of different variables and tools you can use to provide continuing stimulus for gains and advise on fatigue mitigation as you become more trained (which is probably a major component of your current problem).



    Thanks for the advice, I just want clarify as long as I switch the type of pushup and keep switching it up that will enable me to get stronger?

  • cajuntank
    cajuntank Posts: 924 Member
    edited March 2015
    amackg wrote: »
    cajuntank wrote: »
    Push-ups are no different than any other utilization of stimulus to increase strength. If you are stuck and have been stuck for a while, you probably have come to your genetic point of being able to take advantage of using linear progression for said movement and now it time to change things up. Just like weight training, you will need to incorporate, other methodologies in your training. So for example (and I have no idea what your push-up regimen is) let's assume your regimen is 3x (M,W,F) a week. Then you could periodization that week so that you are doing your volume sets the first day; then on the second day, you change the angle of your body (maybe put your feet on a chair) where you shift more focus to your upper chest, being weaker so your volume will go down; then on the third day, you wear a weighted vest (or whatever method you can find to increase weight) to work on a few heavy sets. And this is just one example. Looking at intermediate weight lifting programs for strength will give you some ideas of different variables and tools you can use to provide continuing stimulus for gains and advise on fatigue mitigation as you become more trained (which is probably a major component of your current problem).



    Thanks for the advice, I just want clarify as long as I switch the type of pushup and keep switching it up that will enable me to get stronger?

    I wouldn't say you have to "keep switching it up" as that might denote you need to do something different all the time. What I am saying is there comes a time if you have trained a particular movement one way and you have plateaued for a while, then there are training variables you can take advantage of that will allow the training to progress. If you think about it logically and using this as an analogy, if you started off doing 1 push on Jan 1 and adding 1 each day thereafter (so Jan 2 you did 2, Jan 3 you did 3, Feb 7 you did 37, etc...), won't there come a point where you cannot progress further? Of course. You will have reached the limit where your body can progress without some variable manipulation. That might be adding in recovery days, that might be reducing volume after so many fails, then working back up and attempting the max again, that might be changing the angle (like stated as example in my previous reply) to help strengthen the upper chest, or bringing in your hands to put more stress on the triceps, etc... As mentioned, these training methodologies are typically put into place as you become more trained and need protocols to allow for recovery and periodization of your training.

    Like mentioned, if you look at beginner weight lifting programs for strength and then at in intermediate programs for strength, this will give you some ideas of what you can incorporate into your own regimen as you will see the difference between the two to know what has to be changed due to becoming more trained.
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