Season 5 - Episode 16 - Season Finale - "Conquer" - 03/29/15
AnaNotBanana
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This thread serves as a place to discuss speculation, and then reaction to the 03/29/15 episode.
PLEASE REMEMBER TO NOT DISCUSS COMIC BOOK SPOILERS IN EPISODE/SEASON THREADS
Can you believe we're already talking about the finale?!?!
AMC Sneak Peek:
amctv.com/the-walking-dead/videos/sneak-peek-episode-516-the-walking-dead-conquer
YouTube Preview:
https://youtube.com/watch?v=9hXRa56XeqE
PLEASE REMEMBER TO NOT DISCUSS COMIC BOOK SPOILERS IN EPISODE/SEASON THREADS
Can you believe we're already talking about the finale?!?!
AMC Sneak Peek:
amctv.com/the-walking-dead/videos/sneak-peek-episode-516-the-walking-dead-conquer
YouTube Preview:
https://youtube.com/watch?v=9hXRa56XeqE
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Intense! Loved the last five minutes.
I don't know if I could be as merciful as Glenn. I'm pretty sure I wouldn't be.
Why didn't Maggie ever reveal what she heard Father Gabriel say? It's so frustrating when characters keep crucial information to themselves. Was Father Gabriel zoned out when he didn't close the gate or did he not latch it on purpose? He has a death wish so maybe subconsciously he didn't want to close the gate properly so that walkers would get him.
The whole season was worth it to hear Carol tell Rick "Oh, sunshine, you don't get to have both", like the petulant toddler he was being.
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When Morgan handed Daryl the map and it said "Rick Grimes" my heart exploded. The look that Daryl gave him made me want to cry, with joy.
I really hope that the people of Alexandria believe in Rick now. It seemed like most of them were kind of leaning that way, well everyone but Pete and Deanna..0 -
I loved the "how many of you do I have to kill speech" and when Deanna told him to kill Pete too. I'm glad Glenn didn't kill Nicholas, it proves that our group is better then the people they were originally trusting.0
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I think I loved every single thing about that episode. Every minute, every word, every deed. My favorite moment was the very end and that look between Morgan and Rick. Lenny James' acting truly blows me away. But when he handed the map to Daryl that made me jump around and dance.
Even Father Gabriel seems to have maybe hit his rock bottom, although I wouldn't have been mad if Sasha had killed him. But so much mercy was given in this show.
GAWD I could talk about this episode forever lol.
RIP Reg.0 -
I loved that episode too. So intense. It was a great ending to the season. I'm so glad Morgan is finally with the group - especially since his perspective has changed so much from when Rick last saw him.
My daughter said Glenn must be immortal. They keep almost killing him so much I'm afraid it's really going to happen soon.
I love Carol! As we've said before, she's come so far from where she was at the beginning. One of the things that makes this show for me is the character development.0 -
Holy smokes - my heart was racing through the entire episode, anticipating the worst, hoping for the best!
Love Carol more and more each episode! Calling Rick sunshine and threatening Pete - I love that she's such a blend of nurturing mom and bad-*kitten* woman that is NOT to be messed with, she is smart, and quick and capable of so many things. Standing there with a casserole in one hand and a knife at Pete's chin in the other, with him towering over her and scared out of his mind (as he should be!) - and then she tells him she wants her dish back CLEAN when he's done! Hahahahaha! She's so awesome.
Morgan was awesome, hoping we get to see more of him next season, love his calmness and incredible ability to walk softly and carry a big stick these days! Can't wait to see how that final scene might play out in the opening of the new season, with Morgan just saying that all life is precious to finally finding Rick shooting Pete as he's restrained on the ground.
Frickin' Deanna - she sure changes her tune about Pete when his actions directly affect her. Tragic moment for her to lose Reg. I might have grabbed the gun and shot Pete myself.
Nicholas & Glenn, probably the most nerve-wracking part for me - being out in the woods, making so much noise, Glenn shot and then pinned down by walkers - my heart pounded through all of their scenes.
Not sure what to make of Gabriel and Sasha. Seems she might finally be coming to the end of her madness, at least I hope she is. I'd much rather see her get past all this and rejoin the group. And Gabriel clearly wants to die, but he can't even do that right! At least Andrea had some redeeming value at the end of her time, but I don't see how Gabriel can be of any use at all - he needs to be gone. Maybe the Wolves will get him next season. Hopefully first episode!
The dude in the red poncho/cape thing confused me - I though it was Morgan when Aaron & Daryl were watching him through the binoculars. Didn't click until the end that it was some other poor, unfortunate soul. Interesting that the guy in the red poncho ended up with the Wolves - Little Red Riding Hood?
I guess he was just there to show at the end what the Wolves are about. Hated seeing one of them looking through what I assume was Aaron's stack of photos that he left behind in or near the car when they made their escape with Morgan. I wonder what their agenda is - they slit red poncho guy's throat, but then what? More cannibalism? Didn't show what they did with him after that. Assuming the trap with the trailer walkers lands unsuspecting people to take refuge in the car like Daryl and Aaron did, and then they get the walkers back in the trailers and can take the people? Obviously others have been trapped in there, with the note that Aaron found. Creepy. Whoever they are, definitely a ruthless bunch, hacking up walkers, trapping people, walkers on meat hooks, elaborate traps set.....
How many weeks until October???
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AmyRhubarb, Red Poncho guy was a new walker in the yard at the very end of the episode.
Great episode.
I'm looking forward to seeing what they do with the LA Walkers this summer at least as a hold over until October.
I'm assuming Pete was shot by Rick, but might it have been Reg to keep him from turning?
I am impressed with what they have done with Morgan and it will be interesting to see what he brings to next season. I certainly didn't expect him to have the staff skills he showed. Nice touch.0 -
Oh, I didn't catch that. Hmmm...so what's the point of capturing people and killing them I wonder, just to create more W zombies?AmyRhubarb, Red Poncho guy was a new walker in the yard at the very end of the episode.
Possibly, they didn't show who caught the bullet, but from the angle of things, my impression was that he shot Pete. But they can make it any way they want since it wasn't shown I suppose. I was thinking this morning that someone was going to have to do something to keep Reg from turning, and wondered if it would be shown next season or if things will pick up a bit past these events. Would be interesting if Deanna had to do it - she's gotten a hard dose of reality, losing her son and husband - hopefully she realizes that her little sheltered world isn't as safe and sheltered as she thinks.I'm assuming Pete was shot by Rick, but might it have been Reg to keep him from turning?
Agreed.I am impressed with what they have done with Morgan and it will be interesting to see what he brings to next season. I certainly didn't expect him to have the staff skills he showed. Nice touch.
To me it came across as completely legit - Pete expected Rick to be a problem & was ready for confrontation with him - I'm betting he was not expecting Carol, or any woman for that matter, to stand up to him, especially with a knife to his throat, and that put the fear in him. And as soon as she left, his anger welled up, he dropped the dish, and stormed off camera, seemed to be breaking things in a fit of rage around the house, and then went for Michonne's sword.Love Carol, but not buying the scene with Pete. He did not so much as blink in his fight with Rick. But Carol slooooowly pulls a knife on him while holding a casserole in the other arm and he cowers like a scolded dog. I appreciate what they were trying to show, how strong she has become since season one, but I think it could have been written better.0 -
I feel like there is so much to talk about!!!!
First of all I have to say that Eugene's apology to Abraham and bedside vigil for Tara made me like that character more.
Second, the scene where Sasha laid down in the pile of zombies was heartbreaking. It's like she feels that is where she belongs.
Third, I don't know if I trust Sasha and Maggie with Father Gabriel in his "church". He's clearly gone off the deep end. When Maggie offered her hand to him they seemed to focus on his hip and it seemed like he had something (possibly a weapon) tucked into the waistband of his pants.
Last, who sprayed painted the warning about the wolves on the car? I don't remember it being there when Daryl and Aaron showed up. Did Daryl and Aaron do it after Morgan saved them?
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AmyRhubarb wrote: »Interesting that the guy in the red poncho ended up with the Wolves - Little Red Riding Hood?
Good call!! I didn't put that reference together.
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One more thing!!! I'm almost glad that Father Gabriel left the gate open...even though it was a dumb *kitten* move. I think it finally proved to Deanna that 1) Father Gabriel should not be trusted and 2) that Rick should be trusted because he knows exactly how to handle himself.
I loved Abraham's description of Rick. Something to the effect of there is an ocean of *kitten* out there that you know nothing about and Rick is familiar with every bit of that *kitten*.0 -
Oh yes!! Abraham's ocean comments were hilarious and right on! Loved that!
And yes, so much to talk about - with each post I am remembering more things about the ep.0 -
AnaNotBanana wrote: »Last, who sprayed painted the warning about the wolves on the car? I don't remember it being there when Daryl and Aaron showed up. Did Daryl and Aaron do it after Morgan saved them?
I thought the Wolves did that. Remember back at Noah's residential compound there was similar warning sprayed on a wall. I feel like they do that after they run through an area.0 -
AnaNotBanana wrote: »
I loved Abraham's description of Rick. Something to the effect of there is an ocean of *kitten* out there that you know nothing about and Rick is familiar with every bit of that *kitten*.
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AmyRhubarb, Red Poncho guy was a new walker in the yard at the very end of the episode.
It was after the credits - there were two shots, one with Michonne taking the katana back down off the wall (yay, but if that's what Pete used, how did it get back on the wall?) and then the very last shot showing Little Red Poncho Guy lurching across the lot (I guess he doesn't like rave?) past a car that said "WOLVES NOT FAR" on it. Same thing that was painted in Noah's town.
Deanna was holding Reg when Rick shot Pete. It was a little weirdly shot as far as where Reg was vs Rick.
Love Eugene and Abraham making up. Eugene's speech was amazing and also probably the only thing that would have worked. Total acknowledgement and unrestrained apology.
I'm wondering whether Nicholas is supposed to reform or something? He seems like a total monster so I'm expecting betrayal (more) from him down the line.
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Oh dang - the stream I watched didn't have the credits, so I missed the part with red poncho guy in the yard and Michonne with the sword! Off to find another link and see if I can get that part too!0
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Michonne put her katana back on the wall, then pulled it down.
I thought about Rick possibly shooting Reg but there are a few things that make me doubt that is what happened. Do the town folk of Alexandria know that everybody turns, not just the ones who have been bitten? Also, Rick and Deanna already had a discussion about killing Pete, at the grave site. My feeling is that Deanna's, "Rick, do it" comment was a nod to that earlier discussion and her way of saying kill him. Lastly, I don't think Rick would have coldly pulled the trigger without an apology of some sort. Kind of like Daryl's, "sorry brother", before he sot Dale.
I'm *certain* that Deanna had Reg in her arms when she told Rick, "do it". And he clearly turned away from her to shoot so whoever he shot wasn't in her hands. Also, note how Pete suddenly stopped ranting incessantly? He would never have done that without a bullet to the head. #porchdick
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Ok, having re-watched that last scene about 5 times while looking for a link that included the credits and scenes following, I'm positive that Rick put that bullet in Pete's head, not Reg's, and without any hesitation whatsoever! And of course, Pete was suddenly silent, as sofaking6 pointed out.
Also noticed before that, as soon as Pete entered the little courtyard and started growling about Rick not being one of them, Carol whispered to Rick, "Do it now!" - totally missed it last night, too many things going on I suppose. Reg would still be alive had Rick done it right then, but it would have been without Deanna's blessing, and she'd still be against him. So poor Reg.
In my 5 re-watchings, the moment between Morgan and Rick is just amazing - Rick's face, Morgan's face....gah!
Yes, she was about to hang it up and then reconsidered, and I'm so glad she did! That katana should be on her back at all times in my opinion! That's where it belongs.Michonne put her katana back on the wall, then pulled it down.
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AmyRhubarb wrote: »
Also noticed before that, as soon as Pete entered the little courtyard and started growling about Rick not being one of them, Carol whispered to Rick, "Do it now!" - totally missed it last night, too many things going on I suppose. Reg would still be alive had Rick done it right then, but it would have been without Deanna's blessing, and she'd still be against him. So poor Reg.
We watched it with the subtitles on and it read as "Not now." I took it as a warning to Rick to not jump the gun (no pun intended) and wait to let Pete show his true colors to the group. I'll definitely have to rewatch also!
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Booksandbeaches wrote: »AnaNotBanana wrote: »Last, who sprayed painted the warning about the wolves on the car? I don't remember it being there when Daryl and Aaron showed up. Did Daryl and Aaron do it after Morgan saved them?
I thought the Wolves did that. Remember back at Noah's residential compound there was similar warning sprayed on a wall. I feel like they do that after they run through an area.
I thought the same thing but then I wondered why they would want to warn people if they are trying to trap them. Maybe they are just staking their territory.
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AnaNotBanana wrote: »Booksandbeaches wrote: »AnaNotBanana wrote: »Last, who sprayed painted the warning about the wolves on the car? I don't remember it being there when Daryl and Aaron showed up. Did Daryl and Aaron do it after Morgan saved them?
I thought the Wolves did that. Remember back at Noah's residential compound there was similar warning sprayed on a wall. I feel like they do that after they run through an area.
I thought the same thing but then I wondered why they would want to warn people if they are trying to trap them. Maybe they are just staking their territory.
That's my thinking. Some way to mark places that are in their territory or where they have set traps or...anyway they are definitely Terminus-level monsters, and they all seem to have that Gareth hipster douche thing down pat, so I'm really looking forward to their violent deaths later on this year
Seems like between Morgan actually meeting a couple and Darryl and Aaron springing a trap our group will finally have a clue about this new enemy. 0 -
That was such a good season finale and it set up the next season so perfectly. Watching Rick shoot Porch Dick in classic Rick style was so, so satisfying.
Seeing Morgan come out the other side of Crazytown and not only outplay the Wolves, but save Daryl's bacon and be reunited with Rick was amazing.
Father Gabriel and Nick both being granted mercy was kind of incredible as well. I don't think a single viewer would've been sad to see either bite it, but watching members of Rick's crew demonstrate their compassion and humanity time and time again after being tried and being out there as long as they have is exceptional.0 -
Love Carol, but not buying the scene with Pete. He did not so much as blink in his fight with Rick. But Carol slooooowly pulls a knife on him while holding a casserole in the other arm and he cowers like a scolded dog. I appreciate what they were trying to show, how strong she has become since season one, but I think it could have been written better.
I think he was more afraid of Carol because he knew she was right. After the accusations that he beat his wife, it would be very easy to believe that would be the instigator in a confrontation with Carol. Who would believe that the nice sweet cookie lady would attack a full grown man?
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Still thinking about it!
The title - I saw a war coming but of course with the support of his people, Rick conquered Alexandria without a shot.
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Oooo, well now I have to watch it again and listen more closely! :agree:AnaNotBanana wrote: »AmyRhubarb wrote: »
Also noticed before that, as soon as Pete entered the little courtyard and started growling about Rick not being one of them, Carol whispered to Rick, "Do it now!" - totally missed it last night, too many things going on I suppose. Reg would still be alive had Rick done it right then, but it would have been without Deanna's blessing, and she'd still be against him. So poor Reg.
We watched it with the subtitles on and it read as "Not now." I took it as a warning to Rick to not jump the gun (no pun intended) and wait to let Pete show his true colors to the group. I'll definitely have to rewatch also!
Edit: Yeah, hard to tell, even with earbuds in and the volume up on the laptop. I am leaning towards "not now".....
Bahahahaha - excellent description!they all seem to have that Gareth hipster douche thing down pat,
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