Gained weight using Charge HR

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denorios
denorios Posts: 38 Member
I've been a long-time FitBit user and I was very keen to get the new Charge HR with the heart rate monitor feature. I bought it as soon as it was released, and was quite surprised when I started using it to find the calorie adjustment was so much higher than I'd been getting using my FitBit One. But I figured with the heart rate feature the Charge HR was likely to be much more accurate, and I am very active, so perhaps I really was burning more calories than I thought I was. So I readjusted my settings in light of this and enjoyed the extra calories I was earning!

Three months on, and I weighed myself for the first time since getting the Charge HR - only to find to my horror I'd gained six pounds! Clearly the Charge HR really was greatly overestimating my calorie burn, as I'd been afraid of at first. I switched back to the One this past week, ate at the calorie level it was recommending, and bam, one pound lost in a week, as expected.

So just a word of warning to anyone worried about the Charge HR overestimating their calorie burn and their calorie adjustment being surprisingly high - it may well be doing just that!
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  • myfatass78
    myfatass78 Posts: 411 Member
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    Do you have it set at the right activity level for you ?
  • denorios
    denorios Posts: 38 Member
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    I have it set at sedentary so I don't overestimate my activity level and can judge it based on my daily calorie adjustment, rather than pre-guessing my activity level for the day. But even on days I would consider relatively light exercise-wise I was getting 300-400 extra calories, and on my active days I was getting over a 1000 extra calories, just from lots of walking and maybe 30-45 minutes of running!
  • ChelleBelle2708
    ChelleBelle2708 Posts: 131 Member
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    I only go by Calories on MFP and not FitBit as they end up different to begin with
  • NancyN795
    NancyN795 Posts: 1,134 Member
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    The lesson I see here is that if you switch devices and see a big change in estimated calories burned (when I switched from the One to the Charge HR, my calories stayed about the same), then don't assume the new device is correct. Especially if your weight was stable using the previous device. If you're on maintenance, then a cautious approach to changing calories eaten (keeping an eye on the scale), maybe a double check of various settings, is the way to go.
  • retirehappy
    retirehappy Posts: 4,752 Member
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    denorios wrote: »
    I have it set at sedentary so I don't overestimate my activity level and can judge it based on my daily calorie adjustment, rather than pre-guessing my activity level for the day. But even on days I would consider relatively light exercise-wise I was getting 300-400 extra calories, and on my active days I was getting over a 1000 extra calories, just from lots of walking and maybe 30-45 minutes of running!

    Did you use it on your dominant hand? I have seen others complain about this and it corrected itself by switching to non dominant hand. Also is your MFP account set to negative calories? It all seems to be more accurate with those two settings.

    I got my Charge HR end of Jan and have been dropping @1 lb a week with those settings. I had not been using fitbits before that, just a Polar HR. Love having my HR with me all the time and no chest band involved. :)

  • denorios
    denorios Posts: 38 Member
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    Did you use it on your dominant hand? I have seen others complain about this and it corrected itself by switching to non dominant hand. Also is your MFP account set to negative calories? It all seems to be more accurate with those two settings.

    Yep to both of those. I wore it on my left wrist so I started off with the FitBit set on non-dominant, but then I switched the setting to dominant to see if that would reduce the sensitivity, but it didn't seem to make any difference. And I always have my settings on negative too.

    As an example, one day using the Charge HR I logged 27,667 steps and burned 3,117 calories - another day using the One I logged 26,641 steps and burned 2,630 calories. That's a difference of nearly 500 calories just from 1000 steps difference, and both were just days with walking, no running or cardio.

  • heybales
    heybales Posts: 18,842 Member
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    What were the distances along with those steps?

    Because the calorie burn is ultimately based on the distance, steps and stride length just help calculate distance.
    Because you can have equal number of easy shuffle steps or serious striding steps, and different distance and of course calorie burn.

    Now the HRM version if HR gets high enough is based on that, but some of the daily steps is still by distance.
  • lcannon799
    lcannon799 Posts: 3 Member
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    I found it best to set my calorie limit and stick to that rather than letting Fitbit give you more calories because you have been active
  • lexipants85
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    I am thinking my calorie allowance is huge, I've only had the charge a few days and I never eat as much as it says.
    How can I change my setting to sedentary lifestyle? I can't seem to find it anywhere!
  • NancyN795
    NancyN795 Posts: 1,134 Member
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    I am thinking my calorie allowance is huge, I've only had the charge a few days and I never eat as much as it says.
    How can I change my setting to sedentary lifestyle? I can't seem to find it anywhere!

    In MFP go to Settings->Update diet/fitness profile. If you change that to Sedentary from something higher, the adjustments from Fitbit will actually look higher, because MFP will expect you to be burning fewer calories, but Fitbit will still report the same calorie burn estimate.

    The real question is whether the calorie adjustment you're getting is reasonable. That depends on how active you actually are (a rough gauge of that would be how many steps your Fitbit says you take), your age & current weight, how much weight you have to lose and at what rate you want to lose it.

    For instance, yesterday I took just over 17K steps and Fitbit says my calorie burn for the day was 2635. MFP thinks that without exercise, I'd burn 1767 calories. So, 2635-1767=868 Fitbit calorie adjustment. Add that to my starting calories of 1530 (MFP set that a while ago, when I weighed more, based on a weight loss goal of 1/2 pound a week) gives me 2398 calories to eat. I know from experience that this is a reasonable adjustment for me. Since I actually have a good bit more that 25 pounds to lose, it's okay for me to have up to 500 calories left at the end of the day, but if I have more than that, I have a bedtime snack because I don't want to lose more than 1.5 pounds per week.
  • retirehappy
    retirehappy Posts: 4,752 Member
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    I am thinking my calorie allowance is huge, I've only had the charge a few days and I never eat as much as it says.
    How can I change my setting to sedentary lifestyle? I can't seem to find it anywhere!

    Assuming you mean you can't find it on fitbit.com :
    Log >Food Plan>use the gear icon on the right handside of that box, to set to Personalized or Sedentary.
  • heybales
    heybales Posts: 18,842 Member
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    I am thinking my calorie allowance is huge, I've only had the charge a few days and I never eat as much as it says.
    How can I change my setting to sedentary lifestyle? I can't seem to find it anywhere!

    Since that calorie allowance is totally based on what you have burned daily, that is what you are truly doubting ultimately then.

    What experience or knowledge do you have about what you may actually burn daily to base that doubt on?

    Or rather, is the doubt totally based on your experience of eating much lower calorie levels, but not actually anything about burning levels?
  • morselw
    morselw Posts: 11 Member
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    I just got the Charge HR last week. This is my first Fitbit or HR monitor so I have no experience syncing Fitbit and MFP.

    Someone with more experience, please tell me if this method will work: Look at the total calories burned on Fitbit and subtract 500 (too lose 1 pound a week). Then use MFP to track my caloric intake.

    This method eliminates tracking exercise, eating back exercise calories, worrying about if adjustments are accurate, setting an accurate activity level...

    As of right now, I have burned 1,864 calories today. I shouldn't eat more than 1364 calories today.

    I haven't had enough time to test my theory. Your thoughts are greatly appreciated.
  • NancyN795
    NancyN795 Posts: 1,134 Member
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    If you haven't already, I recommend that you read the FAQ in the stickies for the group. Lots of good advice there.

    I think your approach would work, but could make planning tricky, since you don't know how many calories you're going to burn each day (over and above your BMR) until late in the day. It kind of depends on what kind of exercise you do. If you do things that your Fitbit can't estimate well then you want to log those exercises manually. If you tend to be fairly consistent in your level of activity, then once you've had your tracker for a while then you can look at your average burn over the last 30 days and aim for that value minus 500. (I picked 30 days because Fitbit conveniently gives you that number if you look at your profile page.)

    In reality, I follow a modified version of your approach. I keep MFP set to Sedentary, let my Fitbit take care of estimating calories burned, and use the Calories Remaining value that MFP gives me as my calorie limit. Since that is adjusted by what Fitbit says I've burned, I have a good idea of how much I can eat. I do try to leave some calories "on the table" because the calories remaining value will go down a little between when I go to bed and midnight (because after I go to bed, I'm only burning calories at my BMR, but MFP assumes that my "sedentary" rate of burn is constant over the 24 hours of the day).
  • heybales
    heybales Posts: 18,842 Member
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    That would work, though it could make planning a bit difficult until you know about where you are going to land each day, then adjust as needed.

    Problem is you keep burning calories when you go to bed. Stay up till midnight, no issue. Go to bed at 9 pm, then you'll miss your goal constantly each day by decent amount, and if that 500 deficit was reasonable, that would make it unreasonable.
  • princessofredrock
    princessofredrock Posts: 382 Member
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    My own realization with the charge HR was not to log my exercise. I just put a post on my page for what I have done and let the fitbit adjust my cals. I was maintaining and then gaining! I figured out why! It was doubling my burnt cals between the fitbit and mfp. I am now losing again! Love my fibit!
  • morselw
    morselw Posts: 11 Member
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    Thanks for the help/suggestions heybales and NancyN795. I guess since I go to bed close to 11:00 and I pretty much do step-type workouts I haven't run into any issues. But those are good things to keep in mind.
    I also read the stickies. Good information there.
  • jasonheyd
    jasonheyd Posts: 524 Member
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    Resurrecting an aging thread here, but...

    I've recently upgraded from a Flex to a Charge HR, and I noticed that my calories burned on any given day have increased by around 500-1,500 calories.

    With the Flex, a 10,000-step day got me about 2,500 calories burned pretty consistently.

    With the Charge HR, a 10k-step day gets me anywhere from 3,000 - 3,500 calories burned and even a 7k step day will put me up around 3,000 calories burned.

    None of my settings (stride, activity level, etc.) have changed, so I suspect it's the HRM measurements bing factored into the calorie burn, and I further suspect that the discrepancy may be (in part) due to the wide variation between my fairly-low resting heartrate (~50 BPM) and walking/moving heartrate (which the HR measures as spiking to 100-120).

    For example, my HRM chart shows me spending 3h 3m in the "fat burn" zone (89-123 BPM), with 8m in "cardio" (125-150) despite not doing much more than pacing during conference calls and walking through a few parking lots.

    Unfortunately, I'm not sure there's much of anything I can do about it, but something's definitely "off" on the Charge HR calorie estimations & I'd love to hear any suggestions folks might have to set things straight. :)
  • heybales
    heybales Posts: 18,842 Member
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    So that does sound like inflated HR for reasons other than your actual level of effort.

    And indeed, that is a shortcoming of using any HRM to estimate calorie burn.
    It has no idea of your higher HR is due to stress, asthma, dehydrated, heat, medicine, drugs, caffeine, medical condition, ect.

    Fitbit at least seems to try to factor in doing enough steps before it decides to use that formula and per second logging - but you pacing has fooled it.

    You are correct, nothing to do about it except don't use it as HRM and have it start doing calorie burn on inflated HR.
    Dare say, even during exercise that is intense, it's likely inflated to some degree, probably less and less as it goes higher and higher, but you'd never know without some decent testing and analysis when that happens and to what degree.
    Step based and manual logging of other stuff may be better.
    Put the HRM on when curious what the HR is during non-exercise time.

    Don't worry, there are many that bought Polar HRM's with full knowledge they had inflated HR dues to medical conditions, and didn't realize that would foul up calorie burn estimates. Or didn't realize it until they had the HRM.
  • NancyN795
    NancyN795 Posts: 1,134 Member
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    Perhaps a custom heart rate zone on the Fitbit would help. You can only have one, rather than the three you get with the default setting, but it might alleviate the problem.