Please help me be clear on TDEE and fitbit calories burned

So I posted last week about what the Fitbit calories burned came from.

I understand that it is BMR plus calories burned from my activities. If using the 1-3 hours of activity on scooby I get the TDEE of 2285 which is what I have been shooting form either on or below for the last 4 months. I am 98% consistent on my excercise weekly, rare occassions have come up and I haven't worked out 1 of the days in my week.

If I use the 3-5 hours of activity on Scooby I get 2500.

My fitbit said last week my calories burned :the low was 2299 and my high was 2800.

So if my TDEE is 2285 and I typically eat 1800-2200 with my consistent activity I would stay the same weight?

If my TDEE was 2500 and I eat the 1800-2200 Then wouldn't I over time with excercise have some change in my body? IE: looser clothes etc?

I see a small difference in my arms, but my conern is my lower body.

I was hoping that after 4.5 months of this consistent excercise I would see more of a difference. I was hoping to increase my metabolism and hoped maybe my body would get a clue.

am I under eating still? I am already squeezing into my clothes and I am getting depressed. I am not so concerned about getting on the scale. In fact I have done very well and don't get on it but 1 time a week same day etc. I just want something to move in a positive direction.

anyone have some advice? Thank you

Oh I know I have put this stats:
47yrs old 5'7" 213 pounds I believe I have entered premenopause, my waist has gotten thicker over the last4 months. I have gained 2pounds since Jan. 31st. but that was very slow

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  • heybales
    heybales Posts: 18,842 Member
    So to be clear - your estimated TDEE by your best guess using Scooby and 5 level TDEE table is 2285.

    Your TDEE is NOT 2285.

    Your best estimated TDEE by your Fitbit is somewhere in 2300-2800, you mention high and lows, but not average.

    That is also NOT your TDEE.

    They are both estimates - one better than the other, especially if corrected for exercise it's not good at calculating calorie burn on. Like weight lifting - you manually log that on Fitbit, right?

    But even the Fitbit has several reasons why it is underestimating.

    If your potential TDEE is really up that high - you eating 1800-2200 should cause weight loss.

    If your suppressed TDEE is not up that high - you could indeed be eating at maintenance.

    Exercise does NOT cause weight loss - side effect is actually usually water weight gain if anything.
    But it can transform the body so as fat is lost - there is something there you like.
    But your body decides where fat is lost. Should show up somewhere if weight is lost.
    And if getting good workouts in, should show up even if maintaining weight.

    But workouts are subpar and body doesn't transform as much if you have suppressed system.
    Why make improvements that require more energy when it's had to slow down already from not having what it wants?

    Are you undereating - depends on if your body ever sped all the way up to potential TDEE or not.

    But at least according to Fitbit - you selected the wrong TDEE level - you are between or higher - but why not use the Fitbit for what it's best at - infinite daily levels - you just need an average.

    Very slow weight gain and waist increasing sound like eating over potential TDEE (but then workout performance should be increasing great) - unless it can be explained by regular binge moments eating over a suppressed TDEE and gaining fat, but then normally eating at suppressed TDEE.

    Are you lifting?
    If you are, are you increasing in performance nicely?
    Or if not, do you have regular instances of eating above your calorie goal by decent amount?
  • Kristendcampbell
    Kristendcampbell Posts: 786 Member
    edited June 2015
    I am logging my weight lifting on fitbit manually. I am not feeling like I have great increases. I am still stuck at the same weights for my upper body for the last month. I have increased for my lower body. I can say I don't feel overall energized or great when doing a workout.

    I am doing a lot mentally lately and I am not feeling my best in my mind. So just going and being consistent on the workouts is a major deal for me and not to give up. Its at these low moments I sometimew wonder if I should do something like another "diet" just to get me down to a weight that is less plump. My wedding ring is getting hard to put on in the moring.

    I would like to know if there is anyway to test my possible suppressed TDEE without gaining more?

    I don't eat above my goal and I would have to be eating out alot to go over it.

    just got my fitbit report: this last week daily burned average 2459.

    If your statement "unless it can be explained by regular binge moments eating over a suppressed TDEE and gaining fat, but then normally eating at suppressed TDEE." is what is happening then I am not sure how to fix this. If I don't know what my suppressed TDEE is then the days I do eat 2000-2200 May be over my supressed TDEE.

    Do I keep doing what I am doing? Should I be changing my workout? If I eat more and gain because of supressed TDEE then I am no better off just fatter?
  • heybales
    heybales Posts: 18,842 Member
    Your suppressed TDEE is what you eat and don't change weight with.

    So 2 directions - you'll have to pick.

    Keep eating less - your body can only suppress so much, around 20% in studies. So if Fitbit estimate for healthy body is 2460, that means suppressed 20% is only burning 1968.

    So that would explain why eating 2000-2200 is maintaining and gaining fat, depending on which side of range.

    Now - with suppressed system, stress is increased, constantly elevated cortisol causes water retention, and even if you ate say 1750 to have a real 250 cal deficit or 1 lb every 2 weeks - your water weight gain could easy mask if not cause scale to go up, even as you lost fat.

    With suppressed system - workouts won't be as good, takes longer to recover, so need less workouts perhaps. And body will be even less likely to make improvements since it's trying to conserve energy.

    If eating 1750 now, how low will it be to actually reach goal weight, or how much more exercise must be done just to increase calorie burn.

    How low will maintenance be, and can you adhere for a year or longer to lower eating levels until body has sped back up?

    Or,

    Realize that water weight gained while body speeds up is NOT getting fatter, it's getting heavier. That's not the same thing obviously.

    You eat more than suppressed TDEE by small amounts to speed it back up to potential TDEE. Not infrequently enough the body stays slow and merely adds on extra calories as fat.
    But every day so body knows it can speed up and unstress.

    You'll likely find the workouts get better and stronger, which means the body can start asking for transforming things without this too big an energy deficit being in place scaring it.

    There is no way to test your TDEE to see if suppressed or not - the side effects show it up.
    You'd need research study to measure your RMR and bodyfat%, to see if RMR is lower than expected.
    Then a normal day of activity after taking double-labeled water to see what the daily burn is.

    Otherwise it's a matter of noting the effects, and testing how high you can go. Body is always willing to slow down if needed.
  • Kristendcampbell
    Kristendcampbell Posts: 786 Member
    Thank you. So I read through this a few times. I am thinking that I need to eat small amounts over supressed TDEE. I am not sure of what that is, So if based on your estimation that it is 1968, then for a week ( or two?) I should eat at 2068 each day? Keep my workouts going as I have been. If fast increase of weight that is water and I am still needing to go up.

    Is it safe to say that at some point If I do this and my weight doesn't go up and maintains that I am at TDEE? I doubt I am, so I fully expect to gain again.

    How fast is fast? like 1-2 pounds in a week or so?

    I like to have a plan. Thank you

  • heybales
    heybales Posts: 18,842 Member
    Correct, 100 more daily for a week, or two, at a time increases.

    Your suppressed TDEE is likely what you are eating right now on average, probably the low end. The days of going high just add fat.

    Which indeed sounds like about 2000.

    Keep workouts going - should notice increase of performance as recovery is better eating more.

    Fat is not fast, gain or loss.
    Fast is water, gain or loss.

    If you ate 100 more than real potential TDEE, it would take 35 days to slowly gain 1 lb, and if lifting not even fat.
    250 more daily would take 2 weeks for 1 lb slowly.
    Reread that if you need assurance.

    As to your question of how do you know you've gone high enough - do you maintain weight?

    Well, you are maintaining right now actually, right, but does this appear to be potential TDEE?
    No, and you'll prove it out over the next few weeks by increasing calories and likely not increasing weight much at all.

    How do you finally test it out, 2 weeks at 250 more daily - should be just 1 lb more slowly.

    During this time of increase of a mere 100 calories - reflect on how slow fat gain would be.
    If you are majorily under potential TDEE, body has adapted by storing less glucose with attached water in your muscles. That is extra LBM and extra metabolism burn, so it dropped it to conserve calories.
    So you may gain fast 1-2 lbs of water weight and LBM and increased metabolism, but that maxes out. Though that increase could take couple weeks.
  • Kristendcampbell
    Kristendcampbell Posts: 786 Member
    Ok I will work on this. And this "If you ate 100 more than real potential TDEE, it would take 35 days to slowly gain 1 lb, and if lifting not even fat.
    250 more daily would take 2 weeks for 1 lb slowly.
    Reread that if you need assurance." I appreciate very much. I do come back and re read things. Petrified but will go forward . Thank you