Inches lost, now what?

ambsnic17
ambsnic17 Posts: 305 Member
edited November 19 in Social Groups
Within the past month I have fluctuated between 177-180. And with increasing calories, I have expected this. With starting Jillian michaels body Revolution also a month ago (which incorporates weights cardio and ab work), I have lost a total of 5 1/2 inches all over, but have not lost weight. I am totally ok with this!! However, my question is how many inches would one need to lose before weight starts to also be dropped? I know there is probably no direct answer, but then could one explain this to me. It's hard to wrap my head around it. Lol maybe I need to change calories? The strength part of her workout I think they use 5 lb Dumbbells, I use 10lb Dumbbells b/c that's all I have...so it's kicking my butt!!

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  • kaybrose730
    kaybrose730 Posts: 143 Member
    Congrats! That is such a great accomplishment!!!

    I personally try not to even worry about the scale. Do I weigh myself often, yes...out of habbit.. but, I only care about loosing inches and my goal is more than a number on the scale. (I try and remind myself of this often! haha)

    As for changing calories... I'll let someone who knows more than I help with that one. I'm still new to the reverse dieting...

    Just wanted to tell you to keep it up and way to go!!! :)
  • ambsnic17
    ambsnic17 Posts: 305 Member
    Thanks kaybrose!!
  • XavierNusum
    XavierNusum Posts: 720 Member
    First off, congrats, you're doing a great job!!

    It really sounds like you are changing your body composition, which is more the goal once we really look at it rationally. The old myth that "muscle weighs more than fat" isn't the case, but it does take up less space. So if you are gaining muscle and losing fat you will weigh the same yet take up less space. You probably won't see a serious change in the scale unless you have a significant amount of body fat to lose or you start to lose muscle and fat (cardio bunny). Personally I wouldn't change a thing! I would try to stay in this mode until something changes, stop losing inches, start gaining weight, feeling horrible or some other undesirable outcome, but that's just my opinion.

    Just curious, what are you stats? You said weight is between 177-180, but what about height, estimated TDEE, average caloric intake and activity amount.
  • heybales
    heybales Posts: 18,842 Member
    Great job.

    You could in theory keep losing fat and gaining muscle and other aspects of improved fitness (greater bone density, more blood volume in more blood vessels, more water with more stored carbs in muscles, ect).
    At some point your current eating level will be at a deficit to what the body with more LBM is actually burning, and you will very slowly start losing weight as fat.

    Usually those gains are spread out over whole body, while the loss in fat is localized, easier to measure and notice.

    But they also slow down as you become more fit.

    So you are eating at maintenance right now, TDEE.

    If a healthy weight is still needed though by losing more fat, it would be better while starting resistance training to try to lose more fat and weight at the same time.

    Because only at the start can you do both, later you won't get that and you'll be forced to do a slow method of recomp - slower than you are seeing now because the body will already be trained.

    So not sure if you are at a reset right now, or have attempted to go in to a purposeful deficit.
    If the latter - you don't have it yet.

    Depending on amount to lose, I agree scale should not be the whole or maybe not even big part of the picture.

    But if a decent amount to lose to be healthy weight range, then it actually does matter for other reasons besides feeling strong and looking thinner.
    Besides - if you can have reasonable actual deficit and lose more fat weight, why not.
  • ambsnic17
    ambsnic17 Posts: 305 Member
    5'5
    TDEE: somewhere between 2389-2693
    I started eating at 1700 cal bit then found this group so slowly upped calories.

    Workout 6x week for 30 min. 4 days are body revolution workout with combo of abs lil cardio strength. 2 days are cardio which is just walking. So that's 3 hrs there... I'm also stay at home mom of a 3 yr old and 2 month old. So being active at home too that puts my activity level at the 3-5 hrs. I was afraid though to eat at that tdee bc of it being too high so I took average of both tdee and got 2159.

    Tdee (3-5 hrs) 2639
    -15% 2289

    Tdee (1-3 hrs) 2389
    -15% 2030

    2288+2030=4319/2= 2159 (which is what I'm aiming to eat)
  • MandaLeigh123
    MandaLeigh123 Posts: 351 Member
    Not to derail your question... Muscle is more dense so you can lose inches and gain weight. Do a google image search of "heavier but leaner" :)
  • MandaLeigh123
    MandaLeigh123 Posts: 351 Member
    Have you done a reset yet? Eaten at full TDEE with no caloric cut? How long were you eating lower cals before finding this group?
  • ambsnic17
    ambsnic17 Posts: 305 Member
    You actually told me last night to check it out and I did! It's pretty amazing I guess I'm just looking for an explanation or answer behind it. I know muscle takes up more space but how can one lose inches and not lose weight? Lol sorry for my ignorance. I guess I just don't see myself as one of those people lol me gain muscle?!?! I was eating 1700 a year ago and that's how I lost 40 lbs, but I wouldn't call that low cal eating like some. I have not done a reset. As I just started back 2 months ago from having a baby I've been eating 1800 and have upped it every lil bit to where I'm eating currently.
  • lforner46
    lforner46 Posts: 103 Member
    I have never lost inches without losing weight, however, I have lost 3 lbs that looked like 5 or 10 lbs because of weight lifting and working out 4-5 days a week. I also find that changing my calories based on my activity makes a huge difference. I eat more on days I'm more active, eat less on more sedentary days.
  • heybales
    heybales Posts: 18,842 Member
    ambsnic17 wrote: »
    You actually told me last night to check it out and I did! It's pretty amazing I guess I'm just looking for an explanation or answer behind it. I know muscle takes up more space but how can one lose inches and not lose weight? Lol sorry for my ignorance. I guess I just don't see myself as one of those people lol me gain muscle?!?! I was eating 1700 a year ago and that's how I lost 40 lbs, but I wouldn't call that low cal eating like some. I have not done a reset. As I just started back 2 months ago from having a baby I've been eating 1800 and have upped it every lil bit to where I'm eating currently.

    Actually no, muscle does not take up more space but less space than fat - hence the often repeated misconception that muscle weighs more than fat.

    Per volume yes, but a pound is a pound the world around, or kg rather now. But no nice rhyme with that.
    Your pound of muscle takes up less space, and the fact is it's spread around the body.
    The fat usually follows some normal areas for loss fastest, and belly being last.

    So you lost inches in fat in areas you measured, and obviously fat weight with that, but you could easily gain the exact same weight in water in other areas that aren't getting measured, or in muscles everywhere.

    Also, are you breast feeding - that throws a whole other level in here I don't recall being mentioned.
  • ambsnic17
    ambsnic17 Posts: 305 Member
    Sorry, I wrote that muscle takes up more space...I know that it does not, typo on my part!!!
  • ambsnic17
    ambsnic17 Posts: 305 Member
    I am not breastfeeding
  • MandaLeigh123
    MandaLeigh123 Posts: 351 Member
    When I think of density, I always compare.... like lead the size of a brick and styrofoam the size of balloon. The lead brick is smaller yet much heavier than the balloon shaped styrofoam. So yeah, the lead brick (muscle) is more dense than the styrofoam (fat). Smaller yet heavier. I know you get that now, but just in case anyone else is reading this. I like visuals for explanations. Makes things simpler for me to get it. My weight has recently gone up and inches have gone down. So, I don't know. I've been trying to figure that all out myself. My pants have also gotten tighter... so I don't know where that fits in the equation!

    I think weight loss after having a baby can be so challenging. I've never done it myself, but I've worked with babies and new mothers a lot in my career. It can be a lot balance sanity of mind, taking care of a new baby as well as dealing with all of the changes in your body. I hope you have some new mom friends to talk with all of that stuff about too. Sometimes society pushes people to be super moms. They push that you should be able to lose all the weight you gained, while simultaneously keeping the house clean, preparing every meal, being joyful every second AND you should still be able to squeeze in time for yourself with your girlfriends. The only mothers I have seen that can manage this have hired help. Like the CEO of Yahoo! went back to work a week after giving birth... but she had nursery built next to her office and had a full-time nanny come into to take care of the baby. It's all a big pet peeve of mine and sets up unrealistic expectations on women and leads women to feeling like failure if they aren't enjoying motherhood every second.

    All sorts of things happen to your body after having a baby that can make exercise in general more difficult. I have a physical therapist that works on my SI joint and chronic pelvic floor pain (vulvodynia) and most of her clientele are post-partum moms.

    Anyway, good on you for trying to get health while having a baby! None of these things may apply to you. Just in case some other new mom is reading and it applies to her, I haven't posted yet about this topic on the EM2WL forums. I think you deserve a big pat on the back for starting to work on your health and recognition that it's not as easy as the media and the internet make it out to be.

    If I were you, I'd add some more strength training into your cardio. I just don't see dropping below 1700 having any benefit to you energy wise. Someone else started a thread called "strength training for the super weak" and there are some good tips there. I started out pretty weak with strength training too back in August, and I'm getting pretty strong now. I wish I had some advice on your calories, but I don't really. I'm still trying to figure that out myself. If your TDEE is 2400-2700 per day, 1800 per day is a 600-900 calories per day deficit which is big. Seems like the scale would be going down at least some so I'm a little lost on that too. Unless its possible to suppress your metabolism that quickly, after two months of eating 1700 calories a day? Doesn't seem likely but I don't understand it all enough. I don't know.
  • ambsnic17
    ambsnic17 Posts: 305 Member
    Well for not doing any of that yourself you sure hit the nail on the head with all the mother stuff you talked about! It is a lot of pressure at times and yes at times I do feel like I need to be super mom or guilty for working out half an hour a day, but I'm coming to accept those things and that I'm far far away from being super mom. I've accepted that to be a better mom wife friend and overall person I need to care for me too! Sometimes the house is not clean or there is a pile of dishes, but I don't fret about it.
    As for the comparison of the brick and styrofoam, that's exactly what I needed- a visual!!!! Thank you!!! Perfect for me, lol
    I agree that 1700 calories was too low, I went lower when I started 3 years ago and are at 1500 and I was sooooo moody!!! Much happier eating at 2100!
  • ambsnic17
    ambsnic17 Posts: 305 Member
    My phone keeps cutting my messages short, ugh!
    WE CAN DO THIS MANDA!! Thanks for your support and concern
  • ambsnic17
    ambsnic17 Posts: 305 Member
    I'll keep doing what I'm doing and remeasure everything in a month and make any changes if needed based on the results i see.
  • XavierNusum
    XavierNusum Posts: 720 Member
    I'm sorry no great answer has been really given, but I hope you appreciate the place you're in and take full advantage. Also, I want to congratulate you on being a mom with 2 little ones that still makes time to workout 6 days/wk! That's awesome dedication and I'm certain you're on your way to achieving all of your goals!! You're an inspiration!
  • ambsnic17
    ambsnic17 Posts: 305 Member
    Awww thank you for your kind words XavierNusum!!
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