Fitbit & TDEE

ambsnic17
ambsnic17 Posts: 305 Member
edited November 20 in Social Groups
I'm looking at starting to use my Fitbit again. I have a couple questions:
1. Would I use this to help me find my average tdee and that's basically it?
2. How would I use it with MFP if I eat a big range based on my activity?
3.Would I just log my food and not worry about it "going over?"
4. It wouldn't be accurate during workouts correct? (Non-walking exercises)

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  • retirehappy
    retirehappy Posts: 3,786 Member
    If you have one of the models that does heart rate monitoring it will give you a better idea of what you are really burning daily, you TDEE.
    Set negative calorie adjustments and that will take care of the big range days.
    You would still need to eat at a deficit to lose weight, so I wouldn't eat over.
    The Surge can now do biking, etc. Charge HR is good for any step based activity not just walking. It is not great at HIIT, but it is so much easier than wearing a chest strap.
  • ambsnic17
    ambsnic17 Posts: 305 Member
    Negative calorie adjustment?? Not sure what you mean. I have a Fitbit zip, so no HR monitor on it.
  • ambsnic17
    ambsnic17 Posts: 305 Member
    I wonder if a HRM would be more beneficial for me. What are others using and why do you use it/like it? Wondering the benefits/pros and cons of HRM vs. Fitbit
  • retirehappy
    retirehappy Posts: 3,786 Member
    ambsnic17 wrote: »
    Negative calorie adjustment?? Not sure what you mean. I have a Fitbit zip, so no HR monitor on it.

    On MFP you set for negative calorie adjustments for more details see the FAQ stickie:
    http://community.myfitnesspal.com/en/discussion/10098937/faq-syncing-logging-food-exercise-calorie-adjustments-activity-levels-accuracy


  • heybales
    heybales Posts: 18,842 Member
    Is your future cardio exercise intended for training for something - speed or endurance?
    Then HRM can be useful for max training benefits.

    Is cardio mainly about heart health and burning more calories so you can eat more?
    Then HRM not needed - the Zip will get you there along with a few pointers.

    Just have to keep in mind what activities are NOT step based that it is estimating calorie burn wrong for.
    Swimming obviously, rowing, stair climbers, elliptical, biking, lifting, ect.

    Log those on Fitbit, using best stats as to intensity, or the calorie burn the machine gives - if it used your weight.

    But indeed as mentioned - you take your weekly Fitbit email that says what you burned on average daily (with corrections) - 2-3 weeks actually of normal weeks - and get an average.
    There's your average TDEE, better than a rough 5 level chart you are guessing from.

    Take the deficit, manually change your eating goal on MFP, and do NOT sync accounts.
  • ambsnic17
    ambsnic17 Posts: 305 Member
    edited June 2015
    So I started using my Fitbit again. Didn't sync it to MFP like suggested, plus it won't sync to it anyway!! Lol here's my concern : it's saying my overall burn is a little over 1500???? Really???? When calculated my tdee on scooby it said it was roughly 2000. So I'm so confused what to do now! I know it's only been a couple of days and I need to give it more time which I will, but that's a big difference! I'm quickly reminded why I stopped using it the first time. Seriously thinking of getting a HRM instead. Any insight to help me understand would be great!
  • retirehappy
    retirehappy Posts: 3,786 Member
    Are you using Charge HR or a Surge with the HRM functions or one that is purely based on step activity?

    When you say It's saying my over all burn is a little over 1500, is that from the device (for one day) or the weekly report, so you are averaging 1500 daily?
  • ambsnic17
    ambsnic17 Posts: 305 Member
    Just based on step activity, nothing fancy at all! That 1500 is from the device. And that's daily.
  • MandaLeigh123
    MandaLeigh123 Posts: 351 Member
    FitBit Flex underestimates my calories burned by a lot bc it doesn't account for RMR when not moving. Whenever you hold still, it calculates calories burned as BMR. Before adjusting it, on lazy days, it had my TDEE for that day around 1,430! @heybales helped me make mine more accurate by increasing the height on mine to six feet tall--- I'm 5'7". Now, on lazy days, it has me burning around 1750 which is probably right bc that's what a lot of calculators says is my "maintenance" level of calories.
  • heybales
    heybales Posts: 18,842 Member
    ambsnic17 wrote: »
    So I started using my Fitbit again. Didn't sync it to MFP like suggested, plus it won't sync to it anyway!! Lol here's my concern : it's saying my overall burn is a little over 1500???? Really???? When calculated my tdee on scooby it said it was roughly 2000. So I'm so confused what to do now! I know it's only been a couple of days and I need to give it more time which I will, but that's a big difference! I'm quickly reminded why I stopped using it the first time. Seriously thinking of getting a HRM instead. Any insight to help me understand would be great!

    Since started using it again - are correct stats in it?
    Meaning on the website, and then a sync since then, so device has them too.

    Don't be surprised that Fitbit giving infinite levels may not match up with Scooby giving rough 5 level TDEE chart where you picked the level.
    And if you used the Harris BMR which is inflated, then it's higher for that reason compared to Fitbit using Mifflin BMR which is more accurate, especially as weight goes up.

    What is your workout routine that the 1500 came from?
    Exercise type and time, you never commented on that yet.

    And what is daily activity like?
    Moving around, standing, desk job?
  • ambsnic17
    ambsnic17 Posts: 305 Member
    I did reenter all my stats after using again: weight/height etc. battery needed replaced and put everything back in with updates after disconnecting.
    Workout is 6x a week doing JM body revolution, sometimes 7x. 2-3 days walking other days JM BR. JM workout is 30 min and the walks range from 30-45 min. I'm a stay at home mom with 3 month old and 3 year old. I'm def not a couch potato, I'm always moving: laundry, up/down steps, push moving on occasion, cleaning, cooking. I sit a few times a day (about 30 min each time) to feed my daughter. Occasional grocery shopping, taking kids to park...typical mom stuff.
    I'm thinking the kind of fitbit I have is not appropriate for the kind of workouts I'm doing?
  • ambsnic17
    ambsnic17 Posts: 305 Member
    Amanda-how did you know it wasn't accurate? Just because it was showing a low burn?
  • MandaLeigh123
    MandaLeigh123 Posts: 351 Member
    Because I calculated my TDEE w/o relying on calculators too much or FitBit. I upped and upped and upped my calories until I started gaining (3,000). Then I backed back down by 200 calories. I ate 2800 for a couple months and didnt gain any weight but FitBit was still giving low numbers. Even with the adjusted height, it would give me max TDEE of 2500 but average it gave me was closer to 2100. The best way to truly know TDEE is to keep increasing until u start to slowly gain fat.

    My readings were off for a variety of reasons. I actually spent alot of time sitting (nursing school & studying), so FitBit calculated that at BMR. I also carried around a 40lb nursing back for 3hrs of walking a week, FitBit cannot account for the extra weight, only the steps. My day of clinical rotation couldnt account for lifting people and carrying things. It was way too much to add it all manually. I also think some of my unknown burn was from concentrating. I read somewhere that concentrating heavily burns a chunk more calories per hour than sitting and watching tv does. So 40-50 hours/week school studying for intense nursing program = increase calorie burn.

    My calorie burn is a lot lower now so had to adjust, by best guesses and experimentation. Still about the same weight but attempting a cut now :-)

    My weight basically has been fluctuating between 145-152 since February. Usually pretty solidly 150. I was doing a metabolism reset and wasnt trying to lose.
  • heybales
    heybales Posts: 18,842 Member
    It's just a matter of fact it underestimates all daily burn outside exercise at the least.
    As Amanda stated - go look at your Fitbit daily burn graph per 5 minutes. Look at the steps section first, and sleep is obvious, but find a block of time with no steps during the day.
    Now switch to calories view - same calorie burn as sleeping. Which isn't correct in real life. You could even be standing - which really isn't correct then. But your lifestyle with much movement isn't going to be effected badly like that. Standing all day for work, yes, constant movement, no.

    So the walking will be accurate enough - though you may want to confirm the distance on treadmill sometime is within 5% of what Fitbit reports.
    The daily stuff is great too.

    So you have a whole half-hour out of a whole 24 hr day that is possibly in question, not missing, just not as accurate perhaps as it could be. That doesn't require a HRM or new device frankly - unless you just want one.

    Is JMBR resistance focused, or cardio focused?

    Meaning, are you stepping around a lot, even with weights and movement?
    Or you have long periods of no movement doing lifts?
  • ambsnic17
    ambsnic17 Posts: 305 Member
    JMBR is more resistance/weight focused. Out of her 30 min workout there are 4 cardio sections that are each a min long, so 4 min out of the 30 min are cardio. The rest is ab and strength work with weights, body weight or resistance cable.
    My Fitbit does not track sleep, but I will check out the other sections as you mentioned.
    I was eating 2100 calories for several weeks with no gain, actually lost couple lbs and several inches. Then when started seeing the 1500 burn from Fitbit that's what threw me for a loop and thought I was eating WAY TOO much. Honestly, it's stressing me out using it more than anything.
  • heybales
    heybales Posts: 18,842 Member
    Don't check out the sleep tab, when you look at that graph you'll know what I'm talking about when I say look at calorie burn during the time you are sleeping.

    So a 30 min workout isn't causing a 500-600 cal difference daily.

    Are you logging your food by weight, except liquids by measure only?

    And don't let it stress you out - if it turns out you really burn more than it estimates - it's still useful to track weekly in case life changes things up.
    Since you always want to learn to eat correctly for your level of activity.

    Because if you were eating 500-600 more daily - you'd gain 1 lb in 1 week easily. But that didn't happen, so therefore either you are burning more because it needs to be manually logged.

    And I'd suggest the JMBR does need to be, because going by the few steps that are seen - you are burning way more.

    Now - if the rests between lifts in that workout are 2-4 minutes long, reps are 5-15, with sets - then that is logged as Weights on Fitbit.
    If the rests are upwards of 1 min, reps around 15 or higher, and more circuit style - then that is Circuit Training on Fitbit.

    Both of those will indeed increase your calorie burn. Not by 500-600 though, but a decent amount - so still extra calories somewhere.

    That's why I ask about accuracy of food logging, like if playing it on the safe side always overestimating what you ate - then you really aren't eating 2100, but less by some amount. Or eating out frequently and getting very rough estimates of calories.
    That could take care of the rest easily.

    So it could be combo - Fitbit is underestimating your actual burn by corrections that should be made anyway. And you are overestimating how much you eat.
    So you actually burn somewhere between that range of 1500-2100.

    And while accuracy would be useful, you can actually go on with current food logging accuracy and just figure you aren't burning what you really eat, but figure out the % of difference and use it when you take an actual deficit.
  • retirehappy
    retirehappy Posts: 3,786 Member
    edited June 2015
    3 month old? Breast feeding? That will impact calories needed very much, 300 to 500 daily. That will add up over your week.
  • ambsnic17
    ambsnic17 Posts: 305 Member
    Retirehappy-not breastfeeding
  • ambsnic17
    ambsnic17 Posts: 305 Member
    Yes, I weigh all my food at home except liquids. When we go to non chain restaurants I have to guesstimate so there is definitely room for error there!
    So would it be helpful for me to get a HRM to see calories burned then manually log it into my Fitbit? Or would that not be necessary? Tonight I went for my walk and it said a burn of 2068. So it looks like I do burn between those two numbers. If that's the case then how do I set that up in MFP since I burn more calories on cardio days and less (I'm assuming) on program workout? is that where HRM comes in? SORRY for all the questions!!! Thanks for helping me everyone!!
  • ambsnic17
    ambsnic17 Posts: 305 Member
    I would say the rests are about a minute with more like 5-15 reps. It's definitely more circuit training style because you do a couple sets
  • heybales
    heybales Posts: 18,842 Member
    So guess what a HRM formula for calorie burn isn't valid for anyway - resistance training.

    HRM formula for calorie burn is ONLY valid when the muscles need more oxygen in steady-state aerobic exercise.

    Strength training if done right is neither steady-state nor aerobic, though circuit training is going back and forth over the line of anaerobic at least - but still no where near steady-state.

    So HRM for that 30 min daily is useless investment for getting more accurate calorie burn.
    Obviously get it if curious - just don't use the inflated calorie burns that would be given. Use it for it's intended purpose - monitoring your HR.

    Again, and might reread my posts above - you take average weekly stats and get average daily calorie burn. Your TDEE (with corrections to what needs to be manually entered).
    Fitbit emails out your weekly stats - if not getting them - set it up.

    You eat the same amount daily - some days is bigger deficit, some days is smaller - literally to what is being done - but there is balance for the week, by eating the same amount daily.
  • ambsnic17
    ambsnic17 Posts: 305 Member
    edited June 2015
    Thanks haybales for answering all my questions! I went back and kept reading and rereading and I think I understand it all now!! Takes me a lil while sometimes!
  • ambsnic17
    ambsnic17 Posts: 305 Member
    So here's an update on my numbers for Fitbit. I'm thinking it's not working properly... When I go to bed I check it and it's normal range is somewhere between 1700-2100. When I go back into the fit bit app to check it says 1500?? So did it drop that significantly Bc of me sleeping? Mine doesn't track sleep though. It's not syncing either. The Fitbit and app never have shown the same numbers as far as a burn. I think I'm done with using it
  • heybales
    heybales Posts: 18,842 Member
    Well - because you wouldn't be syncing them - it really doesn't matter if the sync is working or not.
    You merely want an average daily burn from Fitbit once you have corrected for exercise you need to.

    You must have the Fitbit set to Personalized in your Food/weight loss plan.
    That means it is estimated daily burn (because it's not midnight yet, obviously must estimate before you hit it, right) based on past historical average, so an average calorie burn per minute based on what the day normally ends up looking like.
    Obviously history gets better the more you use it, if days are anywhere near similar.

    But it also means that when you go to bed, you aren't burning that many calories / min while sleeping.

    Since you are merely looking for weekly totals/averages - it really doesn't matter what you set it too, because your eating goals are on MFP anyway.

    But the other setting is Sedentary - then it assumes your per min calorie burn is going to be barely above BMR or sleeping.
    Which when you view it before bed, is going to be right on for rest of the night then.

    The selection of choice makes a difference during the day depending on how often you sync.

    But since the intent is NOT to sync - again, doesn't matter.

    The purpose of the Fitbit is to give you a better idea of your average daily TDEE, so you can set a reasonable deficit or maintenance if resetting. Better than you guessing from 5 rough levels.
    You don't do that daily though - weekly, based on your weekly Fitbit reports.
    Hence the need NOT to sync.
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