Female Hormone Issues during Fasting? And or dumping following fasting? Utter fasting confusion...
KnitOrMiss
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slimzandra wrote: »Thanks Knit. I like the tea latte recipe as well. She did say something about your last meal at 9pm your coffee at 9am. For women a fast should not exceed a 12 hr. window or hormone levels can be affected, wacky stuff can happen
I should probably move this to an IF link. Just wondering how long is a recommended fast for women?
Me personally, I don't intentionally fast - it just happens that some days I'm not hungry after my tea.
But if I eat dinner at 8 pm, get to work at 7 am, usually have my tea between 7:30 - 8:30 am, then, using yesterday as an example, nothing but water until 3:30 pm - one hot tea with two sweetener - then more water until 6 pm when I had food... I end up dumping bile (no gallbladder and all that) and having liquid waste (instead of solid) for hours until my body levels out. The liquid stuff almost never starts until I reintroduce food.
But, and yes, this should probably go to another thread, my main question is this: since my tea has 4 TBSP heavy cream, 3 packets sweetener, 2-3 eggs, 3 TBSP coconut oil all to 20-30 oz. of extra strong tea over an hour, does that break the fast? I would expect so, especially given the eggs. So, was that a 12 hour fast, food, then a 10 hour fast? Or was that a 23 hour fast? I don't know...
And if so, am I damaging my hormones (in super delicate balance with PCOS), and if so, how do I not?!?! Sometimes I'm just not hungry. Female hormonal stuff is wonky anyway. Guess I'll have to go back and research more. Anyone have more links on this already? I watched the no more dairy one on healthfulpursuit.com, so I'll have to see if she has more research, though her hormonal issues are almost the exact flip opposite of mine...
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Consuming ANYTHING other than pure fats will break your fast. You can drink regular BPC (containing butter/coconut oil/mct oil/hwc) during your fast, but your fast ends as soon as you injest any carbs or proteins (ie eggs).0
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CoconuttyMummy wrote: »Consuming ANYTHING other than pure fats will break your fast. You can drink regular BPC (containing butter/coconut oil/mct oil/hwc) during your fast, but your fast ends as soon as you injest any carbs or proteins (ie eggs).
HWC has carbs... I know there are some studies show that under 5 grams of carbs or 10 grams of protein doesn't trigger an insulin response, but I am insulin resistant, and I can tell more so since being off meds.
I don't know how to isolate an insulin response though unless I get the worst side effect - instant narcolepsy 30-60 minutes after eating.0 -
I was just meaning such a small serving of HWC that carbs would be negligible - like 1 tbsp added to the butter/coconut oil for extra creaminess wouldnt take you out of fast i dont think - but yes, technically a bulletproof fast only uses coconut oil/mct oil/butter.0
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I do about 30-36 oz of tea when I make it. It has 4 TBSP of HWC, 1-4 TBSP CO, 1 packet stevia, 2 packet splenda (using up work supply), and 2-3 eggs added into the 20-30 oz of hot tea brewed. It usually takes an hour to drink it all... Dunno how that would work out... Usually comes out 5-8 carbs, depending on factors.0
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Thanks for starting this Knit. Glossbones did a terrific job of providing links of research for IF. I tend to read everything, learn as much as I can about the pros/cons and then jump in. Just like at the pool, I'm a slow easer - not a jumper. I don't have any answers about the bile situation. I have not experienced that. Just smaller darker stools, that's about all the excitement to report on that issue.
My primary goals are to: drop weight, rev up my metabolism, have energy, not feel ravenous.
I was thinking about doing IF for one day a week, using my last meal at noon, skipping breakfast with Bullet Coffee/tea, and that would be a long fast for me. Then I read, http://jamesclear.com/intermittent-fasting-lessons-learned
He writes:
Weekly Intermittent Fasting
One of the best ways to get started with intermittent fasting is to do it once per week or once per month. The occasional fast has been shown to lead to many of the benefits we’ve already talked about, so even if you don’t use it to cut down on calories consistently there are still many other health benefits.
The graphic below shows one example of how a weekly intermittent fast might play out.
In this example, lunch on Monday is your last meal of the day. You then fast until lunch on Tuesday. This schedule has the advantage of allowing you to eat everyday of the week while still reaping the benefits of fasting for 24 hours. It’s also less likely that you’ll lose weight because you are only cutting out two meals per week. So, if you’re looking to bulk up or keep weight on, then this is a great option.
(Emphasis added)
So, that plan doesn't seem like it will get me where I want to go. You need to commit to multiple days.
Then there is 5:2 vs. 18:6, and others. I wish Dan would write that book. LOL.
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CoconuttyMummy wrote: »I was just meaning such a small serving of HWC that carbs would be negligible - like 1 tbsp added to the butter/coconut oil for extra creaminess wouldnt take you out of fast i dont think - but yes, technically a bulletproof fast only uses coconut oil/mct oil/butter.
That's what I am doing, BPC with no HWC for the fast, although I noticed that I automatically added it to my diary out of habit...lol....meaning my fats were lower than I thought yesterday.
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My cycle seems to be improving, I'm not sure about my whacky hormones as I have poly cystic ovaries also. I naturally fast more than 12 hours anyway as I eat all my food by 6pm and breakfast is about 7:30am. I thought that was pretty normal for most humans to not eat for 12+ hours overnight?
The cream I buy has 2.7g carbs and 48g fat per hundred mls so the 10ml I put in coffee isn't very carb heavy.0 -
KnitOrMiss wrote: »I do about 30-36 oz of tea when I make it. It has 4 TBSP of HWC, 1-4 TBSP CO, 1 packet stevia, 2 packet splenda (using up work supply), and 2-3 eggs added into the 20-30 oz of hot tea brewed. It usually takes an hour to drink it all... Dunno how that would work out... Usually comes out 5-8 carbs, depending on factors.
You're breaking fast with this BPC. For attempting to repair INSULIN RESISTANCE, fats are ok since less insulinogenic. BUT, if you want to LOSE WEIGHT, breaking fast with a large caloric intake with fats or whatever STILL gives the body easy calories it has to metabolize BEFORE working on the STORED fat.
Meaning, if you give the body calories, it does not need to burn any from stored fat. It can just use whatever it needs from the recent intake and store the rest.
Being a bit hungry from time to time is nothing to be afraid of. However, if you want to ease into fasting with BPC as a tool to transition into IF, go for it. Do whatever gives YOU the results you want
Edit: But adjust expectations according to method/protocol.
About your questions for hormones. This requires a specialist to answer...or you can try google. For anyone without known medical conditions, intermittent fasting with caloric refeeds (feast and famine) is probably more healthy better for burning stored fat than a constant stream of meals plus snacking with same calories.
Edit: Inserted a sentence. Changed the meaning of a sentence.0 -
I wasn't intentionally going about fasting. I was just going about having an easier form of breakfast. And as I said, when I count the fast FROM the point of the tea (9 am), going 8-12 hours, after 6 hours or so, my bowels and I guess the whole digestion system rev up to start dumping. It is miserable. And it seems to happen every time. It does not seem to matter what I use to break the fast ... I guess that means it is either just me and my broken body or it is related to not having a gallbladder.
None of my "fasting" has been intentional. Just not eating because not hungry - and pushing it out with water past when I start getting hungry type of things...0 -
what kind of sweetener are you using--that may be the problem.0
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splenda is notorious for causing loose stools. Watch out for the sugar alcohols, too. I would back off of the Splenda.0
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I would think it's the sweetener too. They are known for their blow out potential. Moves everything out, including bowel contents still in the liquid state.0
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I haven't had reactions to the sweeteners when just in tea...it is the time thing that seems to be key, because the several hours after consumption are still solid and regular as clockwork. I've only added the splenda in because it takes less in general when combining the two (stevia and splenda) and because there is a stock at work no one else will use, and I'm just working it in to use it up. It's only been about a month since I added splenda, and I had this issue back when I was just using Stevia.0
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I have the same reaction if I don't eat for a long time (12+ hours) and I had my gallbladder taken out as well. It's even worse during my TOM. Maybe the missing gallbladder mixed with the wacky hormones are to blame.0
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