LC Facebook site pushing carbs...
ldmoor
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Just had to leave a FB group because the members keep telling newbies that carbs are necessary for daily energy, and you should never go too low. They never say what too low is, but try to convince people that you should eat 75-100 carbs daily.
They obviously have never spoken with our zero carb or ketogenic members. I haven't eaten that many carbs in well over a year! Ketogenic suits me and my health issues far better than their advice.
They obviously have never spoken with our zero carb or ketogenic members. I haven't eaten that many carbs in well over a year! Ketogenic suits me and my health issues far better than their advice.
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lol, I have seen stuff like that. I usually ignore those people. Of course, I am no longer a member of most LC facebook groups because of stuff like that.0
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I just finished reading something on Web MD about how to have more energy and at one point a recommendation was made to eat peanut butter on whole wheat crackers. That would do much more harm than good to probably a huge percentage of people! So there is all kinds of crazy advice out there.
I'm glad you are doing so well and have found something that's working for you, Idmoor!0 -
Yeah, I pretty much don't trust anything WebMD has to say about diet. They spout the party line all the time - whole wheat, whole grains, low fat, etc.
But, your experience skinny is why this group is good. We have many versions of LC supported so we try not to mislead newbies that there is only one way to go.0 -
I just had to leave a LC FB GROUP as well. The members were just down right mean! I've never had that kind experience with such groups and it was pretty disheartening. Oh well, their loss.... Right?0
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I, too, left a FB LC group a few weeks back. I got tired of people complaining about FBG in the 80s! I am still struggling with 120s, and it was like having someone complain that they are stalling with that last ten pounds while I have 100 to go and haven't budged in weeks. At least here, I know others are in the same boat as me.
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Some of the FB groups I am part of are ones that I wouldn't recommend here. One has a reputation of being brutally blunt and has had lots of people leave over it. I happen to like them, and I was around before the FB when they were even more obnoxious. They don't tolerate people complaining about FBG or ketones or scale weight stalls. That sort of complaining is the quickest way to get put in your place. Their focus is on eating right first. After that it is health. And only after both those, do they even consider the things many groups focus on (and usually not even then).
There is one group that bothers me most. They have a tradition of deleting dissent and silently banning people. I would rather deal with open criticism than silent tyranny.0 -
Crazy Ketogenic group on FB..I accidently saw this closed group and was torn to shreds on day one, hour 1 because I did not realize they are promoting HIGH PROTEIN, lower fat…and are rabid about it.
Claiming that no added fat is needed, their fearless leader has them consuming almost double the protein to fat ratio .and I made the mistake of saying LCHF..which was a NONO..and lastly they only speak in Grams…saying 70% fats, 20% protein, etc will get you slapped silly…this is the first group I've ever seen to be so strict..and mean.
and they need to INSIST people read all their links and rules BEFORE letting a person join. Like put in on their front page!!
I would have seen that THEIR version of Ketogenic "high protein" is obviously not for people with severe kidney issues..and never bothered
after everything I've read, 10 books, endless articles and sites, NONE of them are high protein using the word Keto..but these guys. oh well.0 -
Some of the FB groups I am part of are ones that I wouldn't recommend here. One has a reputation of being brutally blunt and has had lots of people leave over it. I happen to like them, and I was around before the FB when they were even more obnoxious. They don't tolerate people complaining about FBG or ketones or scale weight stalls. That sort of complaining is the quickest way to get put in your place. Their focus is on eating right first. After that it is health. And only after both those, do they even consider the things many groups focus on (and usually not even then).
There is one group that bothers me most. They have a tradition of deleting dissent and silently banning people. I would rather deal with open criticism than silent tyranny.
Out of curiosity...they won't tolerate talking about FBG even though they do focus on health? That doesn't seem to make sense. There are quite a few LCers who eat this way due to medical necessity (myself included). I have to admit, I would be put off by not being allowed to discuss issues that are relevant to my health as I'm eating this way because it's medically necessary!
That's why I like this group. We can appreciate that we all have our own way of doing LCHF and that for some it is a choice, for others it's a prescribed diet, and that there are others who might just be playing around with different ways of eating and looking for support through that journey.
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Newbie question please... FBG means?0
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gaelicstorm26 wrote: »Some of the FB groups I am part of are ones that I wouldn't recommend here. One has a reputation of being brutally blunt and has had lots of people leave over it. I happen to like them, and I was around before the FB when they were even more obnoxious. They don't tolerate people complaining about FBG or ketones or scale weight stalls. That sort of complaining is the quickest way to get put in your place. Their focus is on eating right first. After that it is health. And only after both those, do they even consider the things many groups focus on (and usually not even then).
There is one group that bothers me most. They have a tradition of deleting dissent and silently banning people. I would rather deal with open criticism than silent tyranny.
Out of curiosity...they won't tolerate talking about FBG even though they do focus on health? That doesn't seem to make sense. There are quite a few LCers who eat this way due to medical necessity (myself included).
It isn't just FBG but almost all glucose numbers. Their reasoning is manifold. It is to prevent pissing contests among the non-diabetic low-carbers who will brag about their fasting numbers of 60s as if that is better than people with numbers in the 80s, even though both are perfectly normal and healthy numbers. For diabetics, they don't say not to track but they are opposed to stressing about them. Give the diet six months before worrying that your fasting glucose hasn't gone down enough.
The after meal glucose numbers will lead to discussions about too much protein (also strictly banned as macro composition is not a subject to debate) and its effect on blood glucose.
Basically, if you're eating right, you don't need to worry about these numbers. They will be fine or improve within six months. If you have a medical need, you track and monitor--especially if you are taking medication that you hope to get off of.
It is a very different world to this place. They have a point, as their strictly meat-only focus will prevent most people from messing it up. The majority of people who can't do it are the ones who over think it or make it more complicated than it is. Give it six months their way, no tracking or freaking out about numbers (including weight) before you ask questions. If it has been six months, then ask away. Usually, people end up explaining that they were going to ask but their questions resolved on their own after a few months.0 -
ShootingStar72 wrote: »Newbie question please... FBG means?
Fasting Blood Glucose0 -
ShootingStar72 wrote: »Newbie question please... FBG means?
Fasting Blood Glucose
Thanks to the question and answer now I know too.
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I would rather deal with open criticism than silent tyranny.
Oh me too. I hate passive aggressive tendency. A lot of women are bad about that. I bet the groups administration is mostly women.0 -
The group I left had people posting photos of their meters alongside a meal. It was ridiculous! I was hoping for support and advice, not constant one-upmanship over whose BG can stay the lowest.0
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There are lots that promote even eating sugar bombs like ice cream and cakegaelicstorm26 wrote: »Some of the FB groups I am part of are ones that I wouldn't recommend here. One has a reputation of being brutally blunt and has had lots of people leave over it. I happen to like them, and I was around before the FB when they were even more obnoxious. They don't tolerate people complaining about FBG or ketones or scale weight stalls. That sort of complaining is the quickest way to get put in your place. Their focus is on eating right first. After that it is health. And only after both those, do they even consider the things many groups focus on (and usually not even then).
There is one group that bothers me most. They have a tradition of deleting dissent and silently banning people. I would rather deal with open criticism than silent tyranny.
Out of curiosity...they won't tolerate talking about FBG even though they do focus on health? That doesn't seem to make sense. There are quite a few LCers who eat this way due to medical necessity (myself included).
It isn't just FBG but almost all glucose numbers. Their reasoning is manifold. It is to prevent pissing contests among the non-diabetic low-carbers who will brag about their fasting numbers of 60s as if that is better than people with numbers in the 80s, even though both are perfectly normal and healthy numbers. For diabetics, they don't say not to track but they are opposed to stressing about them. Give the diet six months before worrying that your fasting glucose hasn't gone down enough.
The after meal glucose numbers will lead to discussions about too much protein (also strictly banned as macro composition is not a subject to debate) and its effect on blood glucose.
Basically, if you're eating right, you don't need to worry about these numbers. They will be fine or improve within six months. If you have a medical need, you track and monitor--especially if you are taking medication that you hope to get off of.
It is a very different world to this place. They have a point, as their strictly meat-only focus will prevent most people from messing it up. The majority of people who can't do it are the ones who over think it or make it more complicated than it is. Give it six months their way, no tracking or freaking out about numbers (including weight) before you ask questions. If it has been six months, then ask away. Usually, people end up explaining that they were going to ask but their questions resolved on their own after a few months.
My Dr that advocates going hard core low carb and exercising to reverse diabetes says FBG is unreliable due to hormone dumps at night and fat burning effects on that number
We went by 90 day A1C
For the competitive crap on forums that cracks me up
Keyboard warriors
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I would rather deal with open criticism than silent tyranny.
Oh me too. I hate passive aggressive tendency. A lot of women are bad about that. I bet the groups administration is mostly women.
As it just so happens, all four of that groups admins are women. It is really creepy at times. Because all you see are posts about agreement (as all dissent is deleted) and suddenly a person is banned. So, it looks like people randomly get banned out of nowhere. You also have no idea what actually leads to people being banned, because no evidence is ever left.0 -
I would rather deal with open criticism than silent tyranny.
Oh me too. I hate passive aggressive tendency. A lot of women are bad about that. I bet the groups administration is mostly women.
As it just so happens, all four of that groups admins are women. It is really creepy at times. Because all you see are posts about agreement (as all dissent is deleted) and suddenly a person is banned. So, it looks like people randomly get banned out of nowhere. You also have no idea what actually leads to people being banned, because no evidence is ever left.
Lawd, that is creepy.
Makes me glad I left Facebook over 2 years ago.0 -
greenautumn17 wrote: »The group I left had people posting photos of their meters alongside a meal. It was ridiculous! I was hoping for support and advice, not constant one-upmanship over whose BG can stay the lowest.
Yeah, pretty much the crap they want no part of. I've seen it happen as well. It's stupid. As long as the number is within the healthy range, it doesn't matter exactly what it is.KittensMaster wrote: »
My Dr that advocates going hard core low carb and exercising to reverse diabetes says FBG is unreliable due to hormone dumps at night and fat burning effects on that number
We went by 90 day A1C
For the competitive crap on forums that cracks me up
Keyboard warriors
The A1C is a better number for a lot of reasons, first it's something that comes built-in with an understanding that it takes months to improve and won't be something that changes overnight. It is also a better indicator of the average over time, and not a measure of any single moment.0 -
The A1C is a better number for a lot of reasons, first it's something that comes built-in with an understanding that it takes months to improve and won't be something that changes overnight. It is also a better indicator of the average over time, and not a measure of any single moment.
I wouldn't say better, it's another good tool in it's own place.
If I eat something new for lunch I'd like to know my BG# 2 hours after, it'll let me know if it was a good or bad choice.
If I see someone ate a meal and had a good BG#, I'd be more prone to try it than if it was too high.
For me it's kind of like learning from someone else's success or mistakes.
To me an A1c is like a report card, the grade book is the path to an A1c.
The real work is in the grade book. The report card is the summary.0 -
The group I am talking about allows no carbs, post-meal numbers are not going to be extreme enough to help you make decisions for or against a good.0
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The group I am talking about allows no carbs.
I found this group very helpful. They're quick to jump on to people who come into a group put together for no carbers and start spouting about needing carbs and that's cool. The group IS for no carbs and plainly states so. The leaders were lovely and very helpful. I don't go back much because I got tired of wading through a truckload of messages and comments to find the gems that were there.
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Just had to leave a FB group because the members keep telling newbies that carbs are necessary for daily energy, and you should never go too low. They never say what too low is, but try to convince people that you should eat 75-100 carbs daily.
They obviously have never spoken with our zero carb or ketogenic members. I haven't eaten that many carbs in well over a year! Ketogenic suits me and my health issues far better than their advice.
Lulz. My favorites are the groups and news stories on how low carb doesn't work and then you find out they are eating 200g of carbs a day AND tons of fat.
Ummmm... Yeah. That prolly won't work. ABC just had a news story today like that. A two week study on nineteen ppl, conclusion: low fat beats low carb. SMH idiots...0 -
jaimebruckler wrote: »I just had to leave a LC FB GROUP as well. The members were just down right mean! I've never had that kind experience with such groups and it was pretty disheartening. Oh well, their loss.... Right?
Right!!!
There are good ones. My favs are "Grease Riders" and "LCHF Your Way".
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