How quickly do you fall in and out of Keto?

daylitemag
daylitemag Posts: 604 Member
edited November 2024 in Social Groups
I am wondering how hard or easy it is to go in and out of Keto? I'm still new to all of this. Let's say I take my wife out to dinner and I eat some carbs one day, but the rest of the week I keep my carbs down well below 50. Will I drop out of Keto that day and then go back the next? I hope I'm making myself clear. Does it take a certain amount of days eating low carb to get into Ketosis or does it happen right away if you go down to say 25 or fewer? Thanks in advance for any responses.

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  • AngInCanada
    AngInCanada Posts: 947 Member
    If i eat above 75g of carbs I drop out of ketosis for 3 or 4 days. Its exhausting. I've heard you can do fasted cardio after a high carb day and it'll put you back in ketosis faster but usually I feel horrible after a high carb day that I don't want to exercise.
  • wabmester
    wabmester Posts: 2,748 Member
    Physiologically, your brain needs about 500 kcal/day. It can only get that from glucose or ketones, so it's easy to do the math -- anything below about 125g of carbs is guaranteed to make ketones.

    So it depends on what you mean by "ketosis" to determine how you "fall out" of it. Some people measure a certain level of ketones in the blood or urine, but that makes no sense to me -- those are all in excess of the ketones consumed by your brain, and your brain is the main consumer.

    To get back into ketosis is easy -- deplete glycogen. Either by restricting carbs or by burning them off with exercise. Fasting will speed up the process because nothing restricts carbs like fasting. :)
  • ladipoet
    ladipoet Posts: 4,180 Member
    Agree with @wabmester. Good rule of thumb to follow...that said, it also to some degree seems to depend on the body of the individual because we are all different and our bodies respond differently. For example, if I eat between 40-49 total carbs per day, my weight loss noticeably slows down. If I eat 50+ total carbs per day, I stall out completely and I'm fairly certain, though I have never measured this, that I'm either out of ketosis or just about to fall out of it. So, that's why I try to keep my total carb intake to the high 20's or low to mid-30's range. But this obviously varies quite a bit from person to person. After you've been logging daily and tracking your food for a while you will probably begin to notice patterns in connection with your own weight-loss efforts and get a better feel for where you "limit" might be.
  • nicintime
    nicintime Posts: 381 Member
    Oh were it as simple as Mr. Wabs suggests.

    Abundant anecdotal evidence suggests otherwise.

    It is a very, very individual thing. Some people doing as your example says "eating some carbs at dinner" (whatever that is - I could have extra veggies, or I could have a baked potato, garlic bread, tiramisu, and cheesecake) just keep right on trucking, stay in ketosis, and that dinner isn't even a blip on the radar.

    Others knock themselves out of ketosis, take days or more to readapt, and get the keto flu all over again - plus gain 5 to 10 lbs of water weight and throw their bodies all out of kilter.

    Bodies are very individual. I stay below 20 or 25 total grams per day - because I have to. Again, all cheat days are not created equal, and if I had a "cheat day" where I ate maybe 50 or 75 carbs it wouldn't be a big deal. If I ate 2 or 300 it would be another story entirely.

    Best way to find out is to experiment on yourself.
  • daylitemag
    daylitemag Posts: 604 Member
    Thanks very much for the advice. I've read about these Ketostix which I think you use to gauge whether or not you are in Keto. I think I will buy some to help me gauge where I'm at.
  • wabmester
    wabmester Posts: 2,748 Member
    Ketostix are fun. That's how I first discovered that you don't need to restrict to very low levels to become ketotic.

    I was eating around 100g/d carbs, and ketostix were telling me I was in moderate ketosis. Exercise was probably boosting my ketone levels.

    One of my favorite charts is from 2 days that Peter Attia spent in a metabolic chamber. If you're at all interested in how this stuff works, it's pure gold. 48 hours of glucose and ketone measurements, including how the levels respond to eating and exercise.

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  • vikashsinha
    vikashsinha Posts: 79 Member
    Interesting! Why has the ketone levels not gone up on Day 2?
  • wabmester
    wabmester Posts: 2,748 Member
    I'd guess that the end of day 1 ketone sample might be erroneous, but I don't really know. If you compare the end of day 1 to the start of day 2, I'd expect them to be pretty close, but it looks like he goes from 5 mmol/l to less than 2 mmol/l in 2 hours, which doesn't make much sense. The level at the end of day 2 makes more sense to me.

    I'm assuming the end of day corresponds to when he wakes, but I'd have to go back to his presentation to verify.

    The take-home message is that levels vary a LOT during the day and are affected a lot by eating and exercise, so be careful how you determine "in" vs "out" of ketosis, and you can use exercise as a tool to increase your level of ketones.

    In any case, "falling out" of ketosis doesn't have any big consequences AFAIK. Worst case, you have a carb fest that completely refills your glycogen stores. That could require 1-2 days to make ketones again, depending on your level of carb restriction and exercise.
  • lithezebra
    lithezebra Posts: 3,670 Member
    edited October 2015
    wabmester wrote: »
    Ketostix are fun. That's how I first discovered that you don't need to restrict to very low levels to become ketotic.

    I was eating around 100g/d carbs, and ketostix were telling me I was in moderate ketosis. Exercise was probably boosting my ketone levels.

    I agree about ketone testing strips! They're easy to use. Technically, I'm already in ketosis, eating 70-100 grams of carbs a day, although I am gradually going lower. I need more good low carb recipes.
  • lithezebra
    lithezebra Posts: 3,670 Member
    @vikashsinha - ketostix measure the concentration of ketones in urine, which are excess ketones that your body isn't using. The amount of ketones that you excrete may not correspond exactly with the amount that you use for energy.
  • lithezebra
    lithezebra Posts: 3,670 Member
    Interesting! Why has the ketone levels not gone up on Day 2?

    I forgot to add that how hydrated you are will change your results with ketostix, the more hydrated, the lower the concentration of ketones.
  • daylitemag
    daylitemag Posts: 604 Member
    So, I bought the Ketostix. Happy to report that I appear to be in the highest ketone concentration zone. I like having a tool with which to measure and gauge my activity. As a test, I had my wife do hers and she is "negative" for ketones, which makes sense given she is eating carbs like usual. Also, yesterday we went to a movie and I ate popcorn and a diet pop. I was glad to see that the additional carbs don't appear to have had a negative impact. Although, I felt pretty crappy after the snack. Today my net carbs are 14 (Gross 17). Not at all hungry.
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