Advice on dealing with LCHF haters needed!
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Here is the actual interview http://zerocarbzen.com/2015/08/11/zero-carb-interview-kevin-fenderson/ as the one above was around 8 months and was short. This gets more into things.0
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I see no problem with being muleheaded when it is my health on the line. I have been known to change my mind when the evidence exists to support it. I mean, come on, you're talking to an ex-vegetarian who only eats meat. Surely I am not immune to change. But, I don't welcome unsolicited opinions on what I should or should not be eating, especially from people who are sicker or fatter than I am. You take three prescription medicines a day and want to tell me that *my* eating is unhealthy?
I have tried a variety of approaches to weight loss and healthy eating. In the end, this is what I have found works for me. If someone wants to insist otherwise, despite all evidence, then I don't have any inclination to listen.
As for the fruits and veggies, someone already posted my interview. But, the short answer would be that it was a "what if" experiment that had substantial unexpected health benefits. I no longer suffer from many chronic issues that I believed were just normal parts of my life. Returning to eating vegetables and fruits offers no benefits in exchange for the decreased health and quality of life. Even my wife, who originally hated this idea, prefers that I stick with it because of how much better I feel and act. Plus, the almost complete loss of my ability to fart is an extra bonus for her.
Lol! Thanks for sharing!
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Next time just blast the Taylor Swift "Shake it Off" song. Lol that would be hilarious. I just got inspired to make a pro-LC parody of that song - "I eat too little carbs...at least that's what people sayyy, ay ayy, that's what people say..."0
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baconslave wrote: »dulcitonia wrote: »I usually just smile and and walk away in my skinny jeans
Exactly. If people genuinely want to know real details about how I've lost the weight I tell them. And if they act ridiculous about it I hold up a cookie or the dessert pan or the biscuits and say: "because I don't eat this. I look like this" and point to my body. Nobody usually has anything to say after that point. I proceed to eat a big plate of meat and veggies with butter, and they stare at me and look confused. I'm not sure what is confusing. Vegetables are generally assumed to be healthy by conventional wisdom for everyone. Is it all because of the butter? I dunno. These are the same people who have 75% of their plate in starchy carbs, drink full-sugar Dr. Pepper, and then have a big dessert. What a disconnect... Maybe it's because I look so darn happy while eating all those veggies?
Haters gonna hate.
I actually do eat dessert at social gatherings, so I can't say that. I eat less dessert, and I prefer fats to carbs, even when it comes to dessert. What I tell anyone who really wants to know is that I've found what works for my weight, I measure and log what I eat, and I don't eat more than I burn.
I'm gradually moving toward a very low carb diet, and then I can say that it's for my chronic pain.0 -
I'm still so new to the keto WOE, and read every day about it. I haven't had to defend my WOE yet, since this is only day 6, and only my immediate family knows I'm eating this way. As I was doing my daily reading, I found a blog by a medical doctor named Peter Attia, who writes about how ketosis works, and why it works (he eats this way, too) from a medical and scientific perspective and it's wonderful. Some of it can be over your head if science isn't your thing (I was having flashbacks to my o-chem and biochem lectures in college!), but, the content is great! He explains how, yes, we should be counting calories, but it comes with an explanation. And he further talks about how a calorie is not a calorie, and how the types of food we eat affect certain processes in our bodies. http://eatingacademy.com/nutrition/do-calories-matter. Sorry to go on about that...I just found it really interesting. Anyway, the more I learn, the more I'm convinced that eating vlchf will help me achieve my fitness and health goals.
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I have never really felt put on the spot to defend what I eat. Friends and co-workers really do not notice and I make a point not to bring it up. I have gone out to lunch with co-workers though who have said things like "at least you don't have to worry about what you eat." They must not remember when I was 20 lbs heavier! I once ordered a fish sandwich with broccoli on the side, threw away the bun, and took everyone's pickles and still nobody commented. But these are people who I see all the time, and we could care less about the food on each others plates (except I care about their pickles). I don't know any nutritionists though. Hmmm, now that could be an interesting conversation...0
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I not only argue that LCHF is good for ME, but if they cop an attitude with me, I'll do things like:
Tell the waiter to bring me some melted butter, and I make it a point to show the offender, how I lose weight by getting everyone's attention, then I announce how I lose weight whilst pouring the butter on my veggies or meat.
Or when I'll get the waiter over and ask for extra Ranch, and say real loudly, make sure its not that "fat free" crap!
Or, I 'll ask people that cut the fat off their meat ~ to give it to me, so I can lose weight ~ then I eat it in front of them.
The older you get, the less you care about what others think.
I hope this helps,
Dan the Man from Michigan
Keto / The Recipe Water Fasting / E.A.S.Y. Exercise Program
Current weight: 194.9, 119 pounds down, 16 to go. 13.75 months on diet0 -
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I just don't talk about it or tell anyone. The only people who are aware of what I am doing are the people I live with. I used to be loud about it but that just opens up the table for discussion for critics.
if I'm in a meeting and there's a lot of catered food where I don't have the time to grab my bagged lunch, people ask me why I don't eat anything. I just tell them that I ate right before or I'm meeting with somebody over lunch and don't want to spoil my appetite.
In your situation with the nutritionist, I'd refer to Atkins as a "fad" diet that's worked for millions - a diet based off of the ketogenic diet. Then I'd probably reference some scientific studies, etc. It's tough to beat [cue batman voice] SCIENCE.0 -
I weigh the same today as I did in1965 after decades of being much heavier. I average 15 flights of steps per day often carrying a grandchild with no knee pain. Last year I struggled with the 4 steps from the sidewalk to my front door. And you ...0
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KeithF6250 wrote: »I weigh the same today as I did in1965 after decades of being much heavier. I average 15 flights of steps per day often carrying a grandchild with no knee pain. Last year I struggled with the 4 steps from the sidewalk to my front door. And you ...
Nice! How could anyone argue with that?!?
When they see the results, they shut up and quietly start trying to play our game. If you've read the NSV's thread lately, there's a lot of those former haters converting now. lol0 -
lithezebra wrote: »baconslave wrote: »dulcitonia wrote: »I usually just smile and and walk away in my skinny jeans
Exactly. If people genuinely want to know real details about how I've lost the weight I tell them. And if they act ridiculous about it I hold up a cookie or the dessert pan or the biscuits and say: "because I don't eat this. I look like this" and point to my body. Nobody usually has anything to say after that point. I proceed to eat a big plate of meat and veggies with butter, and they stare at me and look confused. I'm not sure what is confusing. Vegetables are generally assumed to be healthy by conventional wisdom for everyone. Is it all because of the butter? I dunno. These are the same people who have 75% of their plate in starchy carbs, drink full-sugar Dr. Pepper, and then have a big dessert. What a disconnect... Maybe it's because I look so darn happy while eating all those veggies?
Haters gonna hate.
I actually do eat dessert at social gatherings, so I can't say that. I eat less dessert, and I prefer fats to carbs, even when it comes to dessert. What I tell anyone who really wants to know is that I've found what works for my weight, I measure and log what I eat, and I don't eat more than I burn.
I'm gradually moving toward a very low carb diet, and then I can say that it's for my chronic pain.
Glad that you are finding what works for you. And hope that you get the relief you need soon.
There is no "One True Way" to do things. I just stay away from desserts because they are a binge trigger.
I get annoyed with my in-laws acting like the fate of the world hinges on what I put in my mouth. Get a life, folks. My DH even makes commentary on my food. Let me eat and leave me alone! You're going to give me a complex!!! My friends get it as one is low-carb too (yep I converted her) and the other's husband is LCHF (yep, I converted him too). But my husband's family I affectionately call the "Carb-a-Lots." MIL is now eating lower carb, since she's been diagnosed with NAFLD and diabetes (so shocked). Her dietician just told her to stop drinking sodas and take Metformin. I told her that wasn't going to be enough. So she is lower carb for now. I'm thinking she needs to actually count and keep the carbs below 100g to see the full benefits she could, but she's a grown woman. Funny though, she used to grill me about what I eat and glare at me the most. Now it's sister-in-law. I have no secrets. It's a simple formula. Easy, not necessarily. But simple. I'll share the light with her if she wants. But she doesn't want to give up "long list of sugary/starchy foods goes here".
The most annoying thing I've ever heard was when I'd lost about 50lb and at my best friend's daughter's b-day party the moms (who hadn't seen me in awhile) were all like "Oh tell me what PILL you are taking!" Pill? I've never been so afflicted with "choke-a-witch" syndrome! I told them "eating healthy, cutting the sugar. Watching not to eat too many carbs. Eating mostly meat and veggies." The looks of disdain and horror were unbelievable. Well...
Haters gonna hate hate hate hate hate
I'll just eat my steak steak steak steak...
I don't need no cake cake cake cake
I'll shake it off, shake it off.
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baconslave wrote: »Haters gonna hate hate hate hate hate
I'll just eat my steak steak steak steak...
I don't need no cake cake cake cake
I'll shake it off, shake it off.
That should be the official low carb anthem.0 -
Maybe it's because I'm a practicing physician and I'm in a honeymoon love affair with my new LCHF diet that I get great reception when I talk to my patients, family, and friends about it. The main concern I get is regarding lipids and especially cholesterol.
Cholesterol levels are one of the bigger surprises that people expect to see worsen, but actually improve nearly all of the time. I encourage you to check out the links I provide in the other thread, and look through the archives and launch pad. There are a number of threads and resources that illustrate what happens with cholesterol on this way of eating. I believe there are also resources on the mechanisms that are also better predictive of dysfunction. Namely, inflammation markers and whatnot.0 -
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Doc I think you will learn many may want to move to the Ubiquinol form for CoQ10 for life even after one stops taking statins that suck the life out of our brains.0
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I usually tell them I'm eating REAL, WHOLE foods the way God designed us to. I'm not putting processed garbage into my body anymore.0
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