Science as new religion

auntstephie321
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I've been having some conversations recently that I normally don't get involved in. You know the kind where someone has there mind convinced of something because everyone "knows it to be true" because "science".
I admittedly don't know all the answers, or really any of the answers. I also admit I don't read lengthy studies with links to other studies etc. I quickly skim them as they all sound basically the same. I have found though that questioning anything, even just for clarification quickly turns to insulting remarks or smh/facepalm?
These few conversations I had led me to finding this blog which I think really nails it.
http://localorg.blogspot.com/2015/02/science-as-new-religion.html?m=1
I share this in here as I think many of you may be able to relate as finding this group is what has led me to questioning all that I thought I knew to be fact.
I admittedly don't know all the answers, or really any of the answers. I also admit I don't read lengthy studies with links to other studies etc. I quickly skim them as they all sound basically the same. I have found though that questioning anything, even just for clarification quickly turns to insulting remarks or smh/facepalm?
These few conversations I had led me to finding this blog which I think really nails it.
http://localorg.blogspot.com/2015/02/science-as-new-religion.html?m=1
I share this in here as I think many of you may be able to relate as finding this group is what has led me to questioning all that I thought I knew to be fact.
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In defense of science, it is just a process. A true scientist never accepts something as a Truth. At best, science produces testable hypotheses and working models. Until somebody breaks or improves the model.
Studies just give us data points. They can be misused as propaganda. Or they can be properly used to form a testable hypothesis.
What you're calling a religion is not science. It's "expert consensus." Experts can be wrong. Consensus can be wrong. Good science loves finding out something is wrong.0 -
In defense of science, it is just a process. A true scientist never accepts something as a Truth. At best, science produces testable hypotheses and working models. Until somebody breaks or improves the model.
Studies just give us data points. They can be misused as propaganda. Or they can be properly used to form a testable hypothesis.
What you're calling a religion is not science. It's "expert consensus." Experts can be wrong. Consensus can be wrong. Good science loves finding out something is wrong.
That's why this blog I think is spot on.
It's not attacking science, but how it is used by many of its followers
The point being that the scientific process is ever evolving with new data and capability to expand on previous findings. Yet many cling to the current consensus and can't believe anything but that. How science is being used in the same way religion is used by some.0 -
Interesting article. When funding is on the line I can see there being a lot of pressure to engineer a study that shows the "right" results and that's why it's hard for people to trust science. Almost all studies pertaining to whether or not something is safe are funded by corporations with more than a passing interest in the result. Then of course for every result their is another study to counter it.
I have celiac and have to be gluten free but I have no problem with people who don't have it eating gluten free if it makes them feel better. When the guy who first "discovered" non-celiac gluten intolerance redid his original study and concluded that these people actual weren't intolerant I got so many links to articles about how everyone could eat gluten now, the study author admitted he was wrong...what no one actually read was that he found they were probably reacting to fructose so honestly they would have to cut out nearly all sources of gluten to be free of fructose. So the gluten free diet really did help them because it reduced fructose in their diet but of course that didn't make headlines. It was just a big "science says you are a big faker on a fad diet" free for all.0 -
It is more like $$$ is still the 'Old Religion'.
I am thankful I have a background in health sciences. It helps me to understand just because my dentist may promote Viceroy I still am not going to start smoking.
It is a thought provoking article.0 -
Interesting article. When funding is on the line I can see there being a lot of pressure to engineer a study that shows the "right" results and that's why it's hard for people to trust science.
Agree with this. Also - peer reviewed articles are the gold standard but editors cherry pick what they include to focus on "big" discoveries. A lot of good science never gets published or seen by anyone!
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As much confusion I think ACA will drive health improvements to help reduce costs. Being free of Rx meds and office visits works from me.
Just concerning Cancer. We do not need better and newer treatments (science) if we would just work to prevent it in the first place by building up our immune system instead of daily working to tear it down.0 -
That was an awesome article. Thank you.0
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Article is ok, but he falls into his own trap by stating:Few if anyone seriously questions the theory of evolution.
Evolution is a belief, not science. There are TONS AND TONS of contradictory science that shows its not provable. There are holes in the theory that you can drive "planets" through.In the beginning, God created the heavens and the earth .... and all that in them is....
I'm not wanting to debate this, if you disagree, google it or take it up with your god....
Dan the Man from Michigan
Keto / The Recipe Water Fasting / E.A.S.Y. Exercise Program
Current weight: 194.9, 119 pounds down, 16 to go. 14 months on diet
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Dan the theory/belief is key to science/religion because in the end that is about all we have. The known science behind diets keeps changing.0
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People are interesting.
7 billion of us on one planet. We're all running different software, but the code is all in the same language. Just 4 nucleic acids.
Science will never give us simple rules that work for all 7 billion of us. The best we can hope for might be a way to read our programs and spit out a good diet for each of us.
And then something to scan our bacteria and update our diet based on our microbiome du jour.
And finally something that senses our environment and gives us real time dietary guidance based on that input.
I'm a believer.0 -
I believe in science. I don't believe in ill informed media types who churn out articles that miss the entire point of the research they report upon. One must read the source document to find out what really was said. A month or two ago there were a series of articles based on sound bites that proclaimed that LC was not the answer for sustained weight loss. When I read the source document, the study had fewer than 20 participants and was conducted for fewer than 6 weeks. Studies like that prove nothing. They are ill designed and unsupportable.
One can believe in science AND religion. They do not cancel each other out.0 -
I believe in the scientific process, that is not the same as believing everything any scientist says.0
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People are interesting.
7 billion of us on one planet. We're all running different software, but the code is all in the same language. Just 4 nucleic acids.
Science will never give us simple rules that work for all 7 billion of us. The best we can hope for might be a way to read our programs and spit out a good diet for each of us.
And then something to scan our bacteria and update our diet based on our microbiome du jour.
And finally something that senses our environment and gives us real time dietary guidance based on that input.
I'm a believer.
wise words wab!0 -
Article is ok, but he falls into his own trap by stating:Few if anyone seriously questions the theory of evolution.
Evolution is a belief, not science. There are TONS AND TONS of contradictory science that shows its not provable. There are holes in the theory that you can drive "planets" through.In the beginning, God created the heavens and the earth .... and all that in them is....
I'm not wanting to debate this, if you disagree, google it or take it up with your god....
Dan the Man from Michigan
Keto / The Recipe Water Fasting / E.A.S.Y. Exercise Program
Current weight: 194.9, 119 pounds down, 16 to go. 14 months on diet
Evolution is a theory massively supported by science otherwise it wouldn't be called a theory.
Theory in scientific terms is something very well supported by evidence.0 -
The word "theory" has been given a negative connotation. The word theory as used by laymen has a different meaning than it does when used by the scientific community.
This video, though a little middle school, illustrates the scientific definition of theory and its relationship to "laws".https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lqk3TKuGNBA#t=28
Can't tell I'm a homeschooler, huh?
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