Science as new religion

auntstephie321
auntstephie321 Posts: 3,586 Member
edited November 2024 in Social Groups
I've been having some conversations recently that I normally don't get involved in. You know the kind where someone has there mind convinced of something because everyone "knows it to be true" because "science".

I admittedly don't know all the answers, or really any of the answers. I also admit I don't read lengthy studies with links to other studies etc. I quickly skim them as they all sound basically the same. I have found though that questioning anything, even just for clarification quickly turns to insulting remarks or smh/facepalm?

These few conversations I had led me to finding this blog which I think really nails it.

http://localorg.blogspot.com/2015/02/science-as-new-religion.html?m=1

I share this in here as I think many of you may be able to relate as finding this group is what has led me to questioning all that I thought I knew to be fact.

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  • wabmester
    wabmester Posts: 2,748 Member
    In defense of science, it is just a process. A true scientist never accepts something as a Truth. At best, science produces testable hypotheses and working models. Until somebody breaks or improves the model.

    Studies just give us data points. They can be misused as propaganda. Or they can be properly used to form a testable hypothesis.

    What you're calling a religion is not science. It's "expert consensus." Experts can be wrong. Consensus can be wrong. Good science loves finding out something is wrong. :)
  • auntstephie321
    auntstephie321 Posts: 3,586 Member
    wabmester wrote: »
    In defense of science, it is just a process. A true scientist never accepts something as a Truth. At best, science produces testable hypotheses and working models. Until somebody breaks or improves the model.

    Studies just give us data points. They can be misused as propaganda. Or they can be properly used to form a testable hypothesis.

    What you're calling a religion is not science. It's "expert consensus." Experts can be wrong. Consensus can be wrong. Good science loves finding out something is wrong. :)

    That's why this blog I think is spot on.

    It's not attacking science, but how it is used by many of its followers

    The point being that the scientific process is ever evolving with new data and capability to expand on previous findings. Yet many cling to the current consensus and can't believe anything but that. How science is being used in the same way religion is used by some.
  • anglyn1
    anglyn1 Posts: 1,802 Member
    Interesting article. When funding is on the line I can see there being a lot of pressure to engineer a study that shows the "right" results and that's why it's hard for people to trust science. Almost all studies pertaining to whether or not something is safe are funded by corporations with more than a passing interest in the result. Then of course for every result their is another study to counter it.

    I have celiac and have to be gluten free but I have no problem with people who don't have it eating gluten free if it makes them feel better. When the guy who first "discovered" non-celiac gluten intolerance redid his original study and concluded that these people actual weren't intolerant I got so many links to articles about how everyone could eat gluten now, the study author admitted he was wrong...what no one actually read was that he found they were probably reacting to fructose so honestly they would have to cut out nearly all sources of gluten to be free of fructose. So the gluten free diet really did help them because it reduced fructose in their diet but of course that didn't make headlines. It was just a big "science says you are a big faker on a fad diet" free for all.
  • GaleHawkins
    GaleHawkins Posts: 8,159 Member
    It is more like $$$ is still the 'Old Religion'.

    I am thankful I have a background in health sciences. It helps me to understand just because my dentist may promote Viceroy I still am not going to start smoking. :)

    It is a thought provoking article.
  • ambergem1969
    ambergem1969 Posts: 224 Member
    anglyn1 wrote: »
    Interesting article. When funding is on the line I can see there being a lot of pressure to engineer a study that shows the "right" results and that's why it's hard for people to trust science.

    Agree with this. Also - peer reviewed articles are the gold standard but editors cherry pick what they include to focus on "big" discoveries. A lot of good science never gets published or seen by anyone!
  • GaleHawkins
    GaleHawkins Posts: 8,159 Member
    As much confusion I think ACA will drive health improvements to help reduce costs. Being free of Rx meds and office visits works from me. :)

    Just concerning Cancer. We do not need better and newer treatments (science) if we would just work to prevent it in the first place by building up our immune system instead of daily working to tear it down.
  • Lillith32
    Lillith32 Posts: 483 Member
    That was an awesome article. Thank you.
  • DittoDan
    DittoDan Posts: 1,850 Member
    Article is ok, but he falls into his own trap by stating:
    Few if anyone seriously questions the theory of evolution.

    Evolution is a belief, not science. There are TONS AND TONS of contradictory science that shows its not provable. There are holes in the theory that you can drive "planets" through.
    In the beginning, God created the heavens and the earth .... and all that in them is....

    I'm not wanting to debate this, if you disagree, google it or take it up with your god....

    Dan the Man from Michigan
    Keto / The Recipe Water Fasting / E.A.S.Y. Exercise Program
    Current weight: 194.9, 119 pounds down, 16 to go. 14 months on diet

  • GaleHawkins
    GaleHawkins Posts: 8,159 Member
    Dan the theory/belief is key to science/religion because in the end that is about all we have. The known science behind diets keeps changing. :)
  • wabmester
    wabmester Posts: 2,748 Member
    People are interesting. :)

    7 billion of us on one planet. We're all running different software, but the code is all in the same language. Just 4 nucleic acids.

    Science will never give us simple rules that work for all 7 billion of us. The best we can hope for might be a way to read our programs and spit out a good diet for each of us.

    And then something to scan our bacteria and update our diet based on our microbiome du jour.

    And finally something that senses our environment and gives us real time dietary guidance based on that input.

    I'm a believer. :)
  • NewSue52
    NewSue52 Posts: 180 Member
    I believe in science. I don't believe in ill informed media types who churn out articles that miss the entire point of the research they report upon. One must read the source document to find out what really was said. A month or two ago there were a series of articles based on sound bites that proclaimed that LC was not the answer for sustained weight loss. When I read the source document, the study had fewer than 20 participants and was conducted for fewer than 6 weeks. Studies like that prove nothing. They are ill designed and unsupportable.

    One can believe in science AND religion. They do not cancel each other out.
  • sweetteadrinker2
    sweetteadrinker2 Posts: 1,026 Member
    I believe in the scientific process, that is not the same as believing everything any scientist says.
  • totaloblivia
    totaloblivia Posts: 1,164 Member
    wabmester wrote: »
    People are interesting. :)

    7 billion of us on one planet. We're all running different software, but the code is all in the same language. Just 4 nucleic acids.

    Science will never give us simple rules that work for all 7 billion of us. The best we can hope for might be a way to read our programs and spit out a good diet for each of us.

    And then something to scan our bacteria and update our diet based on our microbiome du jour.

    And finally something that senses our environment and gives us real time dietary guidance based on that input.

    I'm a believer. :)

    wise words wab!
  • SideSteel
    SideSteel Posts: 11,068 Member
    DittoDan wrote: »
    Article is ok, but he falls into his own trap by stating:
    Few if anyone seriously questions the theory of evolution.

    Evolution is a belief, not science. There are TONS AND TONS of contradictory science that shows its not provable. There are holes in the theory that you can drive "planets" through.
    In the beginning, God created the heavens and the earth .... and all that in them is....

    I'm not wanting to debate this, if you disagree, google it or take it up with your god....

    Dan the Man from Michigan
    Keto / The Recipe Water Fasting / E.A.S.Y. Exercise Program
    Current weight: 194.9, 119 pounds down, 16 to go. 14 months on diet


    Evolution is a theory massively supported by science otherwise it wouldn't be called a theory.

    Theory in scientific terms is something very well supported by evidence.
  • baconslave
    baconslave Posts: 7,042 Member
    The word "theory" has been given a negative connotation. The word theory as used by laymen has a different meaning than it does when used by the scientific community.

    This video, though a little middle school, illustrates the scientific definition of theory and its relationship to "laws". https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lqk3TKuGNBA#t=28
    Can't tell I'm a homeschooler, huh? :wink:

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