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ambsnic17
ambsnic17 Posts: 305 Member
edited November 2024 in Social Groups
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  • ambsnic17
    ambsnic17 Posts: 305 Member
    It's so aggravating whenever it cuts your entire post off!!
    anyway I started trying to find my Tdee the beginning of October by increasing 250 about every two weeks. there was some carb overload I guess you could call it which was through eating pizza and the next day I was up 1 to 2 pounds. I didn't panic I figured there would be some fluctuation on the scale. however my body has hung onto this gained weight and now I'm not sure if I need to continue to increase another 250 or stay put where I'm at.
  • ambsnic17
    ambsnic17 Posts: 305 Member
    I know the quick gained weight is not actual fat, most likely it's water but all the gains I've made have been big, quick changes in the scale not small, slow changes if that makes sense. I'm already eating at 2760 cal and imagining going up another 250 cal is bittersweet!
  • ambsnic17
    ambsnic17 Posts: 305 Member
    This whole finding my TDEE has taken A LOT longer than anticipated because I was planning on doing a cut at the new year but that apparently is not going to happen now. Lol The Scooby calculator estimated my TDEE to be at about 2750 so that's why I am a little hesitant because I'm eating about that now and then increasing that even more just has me a little freaked out! Thanks and sorry for all the posts, it kept cutting them off!
  • heybales
    heybales Posts: 18,842 Member
    So big jumps in water weight eating more usually prove out you had more glucose stores the body was willing to top off, with the attached water.

    Merely proves the prior eating level wasn't maintenance - or there wouldn't have been any stores to top off.

    Very slow minor changes only seen after weeks would indicate actual fat gain.

    Like eating 250 over true maintenance on average would take 2 weeks to slowly gain 1 lb, tad less actually.

    But glucose only stores with water in muscle, so unless your body is slightly intolerant of it and causing some bloating because of eating it more of it - that shouldn't keep happening.

    So probably about there.
  • ambsnic17
    ambsnic17 Posts: 305 Member
    @heybales -thanks I wasn't sure what exactly was going on. I'll keep at it and increase to 2860 and see what happens. Holy moly 2860!!!!!
  • ambsnic17
    ambsnic17 Posts: 305 Member
    Something else I just thought of...this past week we went away for 5 days to see family from out of state. I decided to destress a little and I didn't exercise for those 5 days. I ate over my alloted calories because of Christmas party and eating food I couldn't weigh and that I wasn't cooking. Still logged as best as I could. plus TOM tagged along. Came back and weighed myself and didn't gain anything! I was beyond shocked! Stupid question, but what does this tell me? As far as tdee...Anything? Or was it not enough time to really tell?
  • heybales
    heybales Posts: 18,842 Member
    If eating at estimated TDEE (and over) for one activity level and you were less active actually, that would imply the estimate was low.

    But it depends on how much exercise was lost, how much did activity level stay the same, or did it increase with extra time and family, and how accurate was logging.

    I think that's why getting through these weeks with no gains or minimal and stats that are likely pretty rough is a good goal in itself. And no basing anything on inaccurate numbers.

    Not really enough time or accuracy.

    That's like some I've seen will spend their reset time with one activity level or type of exercise - fully intending to change it up when they go to deficit. So all the time spent trying to nail a TDEE is really wasted as the activity level changes.
    So having undesired results is not unexpected.
  • ambsnic17
    ambsnic17 Posts: 305 Member
    There was about 2 hrs of exercise lost. My activity consisted of a lot more sitting than usual because of visiting family. The accuracy in food was probably not there ether like you stated. I certainly don't plan to change my activity level after finding my tdee. This has been a lot of work and I definately don't want to waste what I've done.
  • crewbprice
    crewbprice Posts: 38 Member
    You know, at times I wonder if the whole finding the tdee is truly necessary. If you have been at a deficit for a long time, I see the merit in increasing calories to help with balancing hormonal levels, although I would need to do more research on that. However, if you increase your calories to the low end of the tdee calculators, and feel fuller and more satisfied, I would think the hunt for finding the true tdee might be unnecessary, as giving your body significantly more calories then it was previously used to would fulfill the goal of helping balancing hormones and metabolism. Now if you wanted to know your tdee at the time, then great, but it is a number that is in constant flux if your goal is to continue to lose weight.

    Any thoughts?

    Here's what I did: I spent 8 months or so at around a 500 deficit, starting at 2500 and eventually adjusting down with weight loss to around 2200 ( height 5'10, weight 250 in the beginning, now 200). I then began to stall and felt crappy and hungry constantly. I then found this place and looked at around 4 different calorie calculators, with coming to around the consensus of a 2900 tdee, with around 2600 being the low end of tdee calculations. I then began to eat at around 2650, with some 2700-2800 days. I felt full, felt better, but had no real gain in weight. Now I have been doing that same level for around a month and a half and lost an additional 5 pounds while feeling better on a daily basis. Not saying this is typical, obviously I'm below my true tdee since I had weight loss, but it seems I restored my previous imbalance when I was working out more, eating less, and not losing weight as easily.
  • ambsnic17
    ambsnic17 Posts: 305 Member
    @crewbprice- thanks for input. I'm certainly getting frustrated and don't want to continue to add on the pounds, it's getting depressing. I've never seen myself as the low end of eating (1200ish) when I first started I was eating 1700. I've never gone below that. Now if you compare 1700 to what I'm eating now (2700-2800) that does seem low! I'm ready to start losing. I've been ok with the gain up until recently. It's really hit and I'm feeling really crappy about myself. I feel very satisfied in some days at 2400 and other days I'm more hungry and could eat 2800. I guess I could cut from 2800 and see if weight starts to come off?? I'm not sure what to do.
  • heybales
    heybales Posts: 18,842 Member
    @crewbprice - I think the issue comes in for many trying a reasonable deficit.

    They were nowhere near reasonable for some good amount of time, and so the idea of raising calories near but under TDEE isn't actually a total unstressing of the body.

    And while studies have shown that a body can slowly recover from extreme deficit, at least one took a over a year.
    Another took 3 months to merely gain back 50% of what was suppressed, and that was eating at lab measured TDEE.

    So the idea is to not take forever in getting a fully healthy body back - many have plateaued already for months - and so a good chunk of weeks in the span of time isn't that bad.
    But needing to go another year? Ouch.

    Because what if the hitting low end of TDEE still didn't cause any weight loss - it should though if truly below TDEE.
    But as many have proved - when raising calories up, each step up results in no weight loss at the higher number. So body was not actually burning full-steam enough to create a deficit to potential TDEE.

    Here's one study that references the others.
    http://www.myfitnesspal.com/blog/heybales/view/reduced-metabolism-tdee-beyond-expected-from-weight-loss-616251
  • crewbprice
    crewbprice Posts: 38 Member
    heybales wrote: »
    @crewbprice - I think the issue comes in for many trying a reasonable deficit.

    They were nowhere near reasonable for some good amount of time, and so the idea of raising calories near but under TDEE isn't actually a total unstressing of the body.

    And while studies have shown that a body can slowly recover from extreme deficit, at least one took a over a year.
    Another took 3 months to merely gain back 50% of what was suppressed, and that was eating at lab measured TDEE.

    So the idea is to not take forever in getting a fully healthy body back - many have plateaued already for months - and so a good chunk of weeks in the span of time isn't that bad.
    But needing to go another year? Ouch.

    Because what if the hitting low end of TDEE still didn't cause any weight loss - it should though if truly below TDEE.
    But as many have proved - when raising calories up, each step up results in no weight loss at the higher number. So body was not actually burning full-steam enough to create a deficit to potential TDEE.

    Here's one study that references the others.
    http://www.myfitnesspal.com/blog/heybales/view/reduced-metabolism-tdee-beyond-expected-from-weight-loss-616251

    Thanks, I'll have to check out these studies tonight when I get home from work.
  • ambsnic17
    ambsnic17 Posts: 305 Member
    edited December 2015
    You stated this in earlier post..."But glucose only stores with water in muscle, so unless your body is slightly intolerant of it and causing some bloating because of eating it more of it - that shouldn't be happening"

    Could you explain this please @heybales ?

  • heybales
    heybales Posts: 18,842 Member
    Just that if you are eating at TDEE, muscle stores of carbs are topped off already on average, so no big rapid increase in water weight there. Obviously after big workout using many up it'll be less.

    But being sensitive to eating them, or mainly simple carbs, or without protein or fat, or large amounts, ect - can cause some people to bloat. But that's usually gas then, not water related either.

    Was just wanting to point out the myth that some believe that just eating carbs causes water weight gain, which isn't true. The myth came from true point, in a diet, eat a big carb meal, gain fast water weight. But that's not because carbs just by themselves cause you to retain water - but storing them as glucose in muscles does.

    Your liver stores glucose too of course, but that about 500 cal worth without water. And it's up and down depending on blood levels.

    The blood stream level is about 5g more or less depending on when last meal was, or blood volume due to workout routines.

    Now, I do recall someone trying to explain how they thought eating starches like bread would then soak up water in the stomach and cause extra water weight gain. Never mind the fact that is broken down and it doesn't exit the stomach in that same fashion. Nor the fact if water was already there or came later - that water weight was going to be on the scale anyway.
    Someone was merely thinking how bread soaks up water and weighs more, therefore when you eat it ..... bad logical thinking is end of story.
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