Longest state of ketosis?
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Gallowmere1984 wrote: »I'm losing and that is more of an answer, more of a result isn't necessary.... No longer am I eating ice cream, dinner rolls, fried rice, cookies etc-so the exact number 50 grams , 30 grams there is no way for me to know.
The best part is the reduced pain from arthritis.
Absolutely. Stuff like the above link is more for people getting extremely in-depth with things, as I am wont to do. The biggest problem, in my opinion, is the relative lack of understanding that the "everyman" has for how it all works, and how much variation is permissible, without getting ill effect. Granted, we all have to find our own line, and I tend to play on the safer side of things, but after reading his stuff, I can't help but wonder if all of the people that we hear from, who's "keto flu" never seems to go away, if they aren't eating juuuust enough carbs to keep themselves from ever properly adapting, even though they may be below the normal recommended maximum.
That or they never increase salt... Or both.3 -
Gallowmere1984 wrote: »I'm losing and that is more of an answer, more of a result isn't necessary.... No longer am I eating ice cream, dinner rolls, fried rice, cookies etc-so the exact number 50 grams , 30 grams there is no way for me to know.
The best part is the reduced pain from arthritis.
Absolutely. Stuff like the above link is more for people getting extremely in-depth with things, as I am wont to do. The biggest problem, in my opinion, is the relative lack of understanding that the "everyman" has for how it all works, and how much variation is permissible, without getting ill effect. Granted, we all have to find our own line, and I tend to play on the safer side of things, but after reading his stuff, I can't help but wonder if all of the people that we hear from, who's "keto flu" never seems to go away, if they aren't eating juuuust enough carbs to keep themselves from ever properly adapting, even though they may be below the normal recommended maximum.
That's what I tend to think too. And the sodium like @nvmomketo said. Yeah, someone might be salting everything and even drink a cup of boullion, but that may simply still not be enough for that person. Some just can't wrap their minds around the water/sodium balance.2 -
Sunny_Bunny_ wrote: »Gallowmere1984 wrote: »I'm losing and that is more of an answer, more of a result isn't necessary.... No longer am I eating ice cream, dinner rolls, fried rice, cookies etc-so the exact number 50 grams , 30 grams there is no way for me to know.
The best part is the reduced pain from arthritis.
Absolutely. Stuff like the above link is more for people getting extremely in-depth with things, as I am wont to do. The biggest problem, in my opinion, is the relative lack of understanding that the "everyman" has for how it all works, and how much variation is permissible, without getting ill effect. Granted, we all have to find our own line, and I tend to play on the safer side of things, but after reading his stuff, I can't help but wonder if all of the people that we hear from, who's "keto flu" never seems to go away, if they aren't eating juuuust enough carbs to keep themselves from ever properly adapting, even though they may be below the normal recommended maximum.
That's what I tend to think too. And the sodium like @nvmomketo said. Yeah, someone might be salting everything and even drink a cup of boullion, but that may simply still not be enough for that person. Some just can't wrap their minds around the water/sodium balance.
I do find that strange, given that the whole crusade against sodium has been mostly a propaganda campaign. The exact same thing happened to fat intake for decades. If they can wrap their minds around high fat, I can't quite understand why sodium would be such a leap.4 -
Gallowmere1984 wrote: »Sunny_Bunny_ wrote: »Gallowmere1984 wrote: »I'm losing and that is more of an answer, more of a result isn't necessary.... No longer am I eating ice cream, dinner rolls, fried rice, cookies etc-so the exact number 50 grams , 30 grams there is no way for me to know.
The best part is the reduced pain from arthritis.
Absolutely. Stuff like the above link is more for people getting extremely in-depth with things, as I am wont to do. The biggest problem, in my opinion, is the relative lack of understanding that the "everyman" has for how it all works, and how much variation is permissible, without getting ill effect. Granted, we all have to find our own line, and I tend to play on the safer side of things, but after reading his stuff, I can't help but wonder if all of the people that we hear from, who's "keto flu" never seems to go away, if they aren't eating juuuust enough carbs to keep themselves from ever properly adapting, even though they may be below the normal recommended maximum.
That's what I tend to think too. And the sodium like @nvmomketo said. Yeah, someone might be salting everything and even drink a cup of boullion, but that may simply still not be enough for that person. Some just can't wrap their minds around the water/sodium balance.
I do find that strange, given that the whole crusade against sodium has been mostly a propaganda campaign. The exact same thing happened to fat intake for decades. If they can wrap their minds around high fat, I can't quite understand why sodium would be such a leap.
I did that. I had low electrolytes for a few weeks and started getting middle of the night muscle cramps before I would accept that I needed more sodium. Dumb me. Now I salt everything including water and coffee. It all tastes better with salt now. Before? I rarely salted anything.2 -
I was actually much the same. It's interesting how my taste for it has changed. I used to avoid salt like the plague, not for "health" reasons, but because I just didn't like it. Two weeks into peeing like a racehorse though, and I haven't been able to get enough of it since. I've even started opting for the saltiest jerky I can get my hands on, which I used to have to soak in water for five minutes before I could eat.1
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Yep. I even have different salts for different foods now. LOL2
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I know this question had probably been answered before but when in ketosis are you super extra thristy? being diabetic being thirsty all the time is a sign of high blood sugar so I freak out a bit but I test my sugar a feel nd it's fine. Also I've noticed that I'm getting slight toe cramps which incidentally is another diabetic sign but could also be ketosis.I don't feel comfortable asking my doctor, I don't think she would understand this whole LCHF anyways. What do y'all think?1
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Dr. Phinney is at 7+ years, IIRC from his videos.2
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My 1 year mark in this lifestyle was actually yesterday(75 lbs down!!!) but I take planned 'breaks' when we are on vacation and have the occasional (and I mean OCCASSIONAL, like every few months) day where I go off track without beating myself up
for example I'm going to a wedding July 31 and while I could easily stay keto, I'll choose to indulge. For me it helps me be dedicated the rest of the time without feeling like I'm missing out, but I know that's not the norm. I think I went about 5 months without any cheats at all. No intention of stopping any time soon, and I'm pumped for my biometric screening in September! I don't know when it is yet (it's through work) but I'm reallllllyyy hoping it's not the week I'm away! 6 -
I know this question had probably been answered before but when in ketosis are you super extra thristy? being diabetic being thirsty all the time is a sign of high blood sugar so I freak out a bit but I test my sugar a feel nd it's fine. Also I've noticed that I'm getting slight toe cramps which incidentally is another diabetic sign but could also be ketosis.I don't feel comfortable asking my doctor, I don't think she would understand this whole LCHF anyways. What do y'all think?
The thirst and the cramps are both a symptom of low sodium/electrolytes. You're body isn't able to retain the water you're drinking because your sodium is too low and you can't quench the thirst because the water just goes back out as fast as it's going in. This also takes electrolytes with it, actually making the problem progressively worse day by day.
Until you get your electrolytes back up, starting with sodium to allow your body to hold onto some of that water you're drinking, it will just get worse and worse.
Are you taking any magnesium and using a Salt substitute to get potassium? At this point, you're probably quite deficient on both of those as well.
Luckily, the sodium can be corrected very fast. Try to get 5000mg of sodium today and I bet you'll stop being so thirsty and the cramps should stop. If not, then magnesium will be the answer to the cramping. But, honestly, you're going to need the magnesium anyway.0 -
ok thank you @Sunny_Bunny_ ! I'm going out to get a mag supplement and bouillon cubes today1
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I know this question had probably been answered before but when in ketosis are you super extra thristy? being diabetic being thirsty all the time is a sign of high blood sugar so I freak out a bit but I test my sugar a feel nd it's fine. Also I've noticed that I'm getting slight toe cramps which incidentally is another diabetic sign but could also be ketosis.I don't feel comfortable asking my doctor, I don't think she would understand this whole LCHF anyways. What do y'all think?
Good question!
Yes, you can get mighty thirsty in ketosis, even as a T2D with your BG under control.
Since you are probably losing water, as most of us do, especially at the start of eating LC, it's important to stay hydrated and replace your electrolytes, especially sodium but also potassium (both of which you can get tested cheaply, even on your own dime).
You can always ask your doc, with a totally innocent expression, "What do you think of LCHF/ketogenic/paleo diets?" and see what comes back. (Let us know, eh?)
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Yep. I even have different salts for different foods now. LOL
It's an awesome world of salt; Kosher...Pink Himalayan, Black ......and used almost none b4.
It probably helps if you always loved pickles, boullion ---- not that I ate them regularly but did enjoy .....our Newbies have to trust that they can safely increase salt as said by @Gallowmere1984.
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ok thank you @Sunny_Bunny_ ! I'm going out to get a mag supplement and bouillon cubes today
Make sure you read about the different forms of magnesium in the launch pad. It's in the electrolytes post I think.
They are not all the same. And most easily available at the store aren't worth wasting your time with.1 -
Sunny_Bunny_ wrote: »ok thank you @Sunny_Bunny_ ! I'm going out to get a mag supplement and bouillon cubes today
Make sure you read about the different forms of magnesium in the launch pad. It's in the electrolytes post I think.
They are not all the same. And most easily available at the store aren't worth wasting your time with.
Bingo.
While listening recently to Dr. Rhonda Patrick discuss the widespread deficiencies of Vitamin D and magnesium in the US population, I was surprised to hear her recommend Magnesium Citrate for bioavailability. (No specifics beyond that..)
Phinney recommends the generic form of Slow Mag, which contains Magnesium Chloride, and to space the tablets throughout the day.
Good idea to visit labdoor.com for reviews of some individual brands.1
