I've been at ketosis level for around 15 months (and still trucking) with a couple of days, here and there, where alcohol made me above the level of ketosis. It's where I feel best!

I keep hoping for "beer zero".
Even though I know it's impossible due to the nature of alcohol.
I always find it amazing how they make every beer taste just like "another one".

I think the longest I've heard about was "the Bear". Stanley something or other.... He was a few decades. There are a few others around I have seen for 5 or so years.

It was a year for me. I am probably out of ketosis right now. I have eaten too many carbs, some sugary treats, and too much lately. Not sure what came over me. Anyways, I checked my blood glucose and I have been scared straight again.

I can definitely say that I feel better while in ketosis. I feel worse now. Carb regrets. Now I have to fight the cravings to get back to my happy spot.

I would love to be able to do it more... For me it was only 2 months of complete dedication and will.. Ever since then I've been low'er' carb and never quite can get and stay there again, except for periodic bouts. Alcohol? Yea - Several is not enough and one is too many.

nvmomketo wrote: »

I think the longest I've heard about was "the Bear". Stanley something or other.... He was a few decades. There are a few others around I have seen for 5 or so years.

It was a year for me. I am probably out of ketosis right now. I have eaten too many carbs, some sugary treats, and too much lately. Not sure what came over me. Anyways, I checked my blood glucose and I have been scared straight again.

I can definitely say that I feel better while in ketosis. I feel worse now. Carb regrets. Now I have to fight the cravings to get back to my happy spot.

Yeah, Owlsley Stanley. He worked for the Grateful Dead, or something. He was pure carnivore though. I think he included small amounts of dairy, but he was big on "no vegetation" at all. As close to zero carb as one can be, really. It's a shame he died in his 70s in a car accident, because by all accounts, his health was amazing. And according to most doctors and talking heads, he should have died from a heart attack in his 40s. He ran an 80/20/0 f/p/c macro ratio for almost 50 years.

If my labs continue to show such awesome results, I will keep going! I love not craving sweets, especially chocolate.

wabmester wrote: »

Gallowmere1984 wrote: »

It's a shame he died in his 70s in a car accident, because by all accounts, his health was amazing. And according to most doctors and talking heads, he should have died from a heart attack in his 40s. He ran an 80/20/0 f/p/c macro ratio for almost 50 years.

I have nothing against the guy or his diet, but he had heart disease and cancer according to this interview with his wife:
http://www.marinij.com/article/NO/20151105/FEATURES/151109886

Stanley underwent successful heart bypass surgery in 2004 and shortly thereafter was diagnosed with stage four throat cancer.

Ahh, okay. Funny how that rarely gets talked about. Not really going to dissuade me, but it's still good information to have.

ETA: something tells me the cancer probably had something to do with years of smoking *kitten* weed, before people realized that you can actually grow a plant without a bunch of random BS involved. xD

nvmomketo wrote: »

Gallowmere1984 wrote: »

nvmomketo wrote: »

I think the longest I've heard about was "the Bear". Stanley something or other.... He was a few decades. There are a few others around I have seen for 5 or so years.

It was a year for me. I am probably out of ketosis right now. I have eaten too many carbs, some sugary treats, and too much lately. Not sure what came over me. Anyways, I checked my blood glucose and I have been scared straight again.

I can definitely say that I feel better while in ketosis. I feel worse now. Carb regrets. Now I have to fight the cravings to get back to my happy spot.

Yeah, Owlsley Stanley. He worked for the Grateful Dead, or something. He was pure carnivore though. I think he included small amounts of dairy, but he was big on "no vegetation" at all. As close to zero carb as one can be, really. It's a shame he died in his 70s in a car accident, because by all accounts, his health was amazing. And according to most doctors and talking heads, he should have died from a heart attack in his 40s. He ran an 80/20/0 f/p/c macro ratio for almost 50 years.

Right. I forgot he was pure carnivore.... I read that link above. After the life he lived, his insides probably glowed in the dark.

Well, to be fair, LSD isn't exactly known for causing any real physical harm or psychological addiction, assuming you don't get any bad *kitten*.

Darthluiggi has been keto bodybuilding for around 15 years now. This is his instagram: https://www.instagram.com/darthluiggi/?hl=en ignore some of the more "product heavy" posts of late. But, he has done it a long time and doesn't seem to be suffering.

There are many things that could have contributed to Bear's cancer. Let's not forget that he was one of the first people to start a mass production LSD laboratory, in his own home. There are anecdotes of people just entering the house and tripping. Who knows what sort of chemical exposure he might have endured. He was exposed to lots of smoke when working as a sound man. There is also the chance he was exposed to asbestos and other various carcinogenic chemicals while working with the sound equipment and electronics.

Here is his response to the cancer and heart thing.

1) cancer of the esophagus

SCC of the tonsil is nothing like esophageal cancer. My specialist thinks my problem may have been due to a lifetime of heavy exposure to second hand tobacco smoke, at home (both parents and my stepsister smoked, my stepmother died of lung cancer) and in the music industry. My cancer was present for 3 or 4 years, growing very slowly and did not metastase out of the side of my neck- most likely due to my diet's extremely low glucose turnover- most SCC of the tonsil is very aggressive and can progress to the stage it can kill in less than one year.

2) cataracts or glaucoma

Nothing of the kind- the truth is very much the opposite, my eyes are so good that I do not need glasses to see distance OR to read. I have the flexibility and accommodation in my lenses equal to someone in their 30's. I can see in near perfect darkness as well.

3) partial deafness

I have a small amount of hearing nerve-damage from years of working with the loudest ever band in Rock and Roll, but it is no different than people of my age have from aging. I presently have some problems stemming from the ill-advised placement of grommets in my eardrums when my Eustachian tubes were blocked. This is a temporary nuisance, but is not 'partial deafness'.
4) heart bypass surgery

A single but serious blockage dating from my high carb teens was finally corrected at the age of 65- my heart is now better than it has been my entire adult life.

I also consider the remarks about my bouts with heart and cancer likewise specious. They are only an indication that the accuser has not read, or does not understand what happened. This too, after all the time I spent explaining my specific situation. My diet, far from 'causing' any of my problems saved me two times from either death or serious disability. Cancer such as I suffered is not of dietary origin- but my low glucose turnover diet may have modified its course.

I had the worst kind of high carb diet until 23- hence a single blockage (not four or five) in my coronary artery which, while controlled and limited by my diet, still caused me unrecognised problems all my adult life, and finally had to be dealt with at age 65. Still, I never suffered a heart attack and only developed serious angina after adding on about 35 pounds of muscle mass.

It is from his mega-thread at http://activenocarber.myfreeforum.org/ftopic22-0-0-asc-.php -- this is very interesting if you search for the word "cancer" and want to learn more about that and his feelings on it. It's actually interesting reading for a lot of stuff.

In the end, who knows. My personal attitude is that there's no assurance that I'll die from old age. I could die from many other things before that. If eating just meat offers me the best health and makes me feel best, until that point, that's worth it. If, in the end, I do make it so that I die of old age and eating meat means that death arrives slightly sooner than it otherwise would have, I'll take it. I would rather live 90% of my potential life-span at 100% health than 100% of my lifespan at 60% health (or worse, as things will surely decline as I age eating carbage).

I'm losing and that is more of an answer, more of a result isn't necessary.... No longer am I eating ice cream, dinner rolls, fried rice, cookies etc-so the exact number 50 grams , 30 grams there is no way for me to know.
The best part is the reduced pain from arthritis.
As far as "The Bear" his carnivore lifestyle, his other "activities" etc , at the time of the Car Crash, he was 76- we'll never know but , passing at 76 from a non medical reason stands on its own.
My DH and I live in a senior community and many people here are very active through the 90's , so who can say that he may not have reached 90.
This writer appreciates the resources and notes he left that are references to build on about the choice to go LcHf.

Gallowmere1984 wrote: »

LINIA wrote: »

I'm losing and that is more of an answer, more of a result isn't necessary.... No longer am I eating ice cream, dinner rolls, fried rice, cookies etc-so the exact number 50 grams , 30 grams there is no way for me to know.
The best part is the reduced pain from arthritis.

Absolutely. Stuff like the above link is more for people getting extremely in-depth with things, as I am wont to do. The biggest problem, in my opinion, is the relative lack of understanding that the "everyman" has for how it all works, and how much variation is permissible, without getting ill effect. Granted, we all have to find our own line, and I tend to play on the safer side of things, but after reading his stuff, I can't help but wonder if all of the people that we hear from, who's "keto flu" never seems to go away, if they aren't eating juuuust enough carbs to keep themselves from ever properly adapting, even though they may be below the normal recommended maximum.

That or they never increase salt... Or both.

Sunny_Bunny_ wrote: »

Gallowmere1984 wrote: »

LINIA wrote: »

I'm losing and that is more of an answer, more of a result isn't necessary.... No longer am I eating ice cream, dinner rolls, fried rice, cookies etc-so the exact number 50 grams , 30 grams there is no way for me to know.
The best part is the reduced pain from arthritis.

Absolutely. Stuff like the above link is more for people getting extremely in-depth with things, as I am wont to do. The biggest problem, in my opinion, is the relative lack of understanding that the "everyman" has for how it all works, and how much variation is permissible, without getting ill effect. Granted, we all have to find our own line, and I tend to play on the safer side of things, but after reading his stuff, I can't help but wonder if all of the people that we hear from, who's "keto flu" never seems to go away, if they aren't eating juuuust enough carbs to keep themselves from ever properly adapting, even though they may be below the normal recommended maximum.

That's what I tend to think too. And the sodium like @nvmomketo said. Yeah, someone might be salting everything and even drink a cup of boullion, but that may simply still not be enough for that person. Some just can't wrap their minds around the water/sodium balance.

I do find that strange, given that the whole crusade against sodium has been mostly a propaganda campaign. The exact same thing happened to fat intake for decades. If they can wrap their minds around high fat, I can't quite understand why sodium would be such a leap.

I was actually much the same. It's interesting how my taste for it has changed. I used to avoid salt like the plague, not for "health" reasons, but because I just didn't like it. Two weeks into peeing like a racehorse though, and I haven't been able to get enough of it since. I've even started opting for the saltiest jerky I can get my hands on, which I used to have to soak in water for five minutes before I could eat.

I know this question had probably been answered before but when in ketosis are you super extra thristy? being diabetic being thirsty all the time is a sign of high blood sugar so I freak out a bit but I test my sugar a feel nd it's fine. Also I've noticed that I'm getting slight toe cramps which incidentally is another diabetic sign but could also be ketosis.I don't feel comfortable asking my doctor, I don't think she would understand this whole LCHF anyways. What do y'all think?

Dr. Phinney is at 7+ years, IIRC from his videos.