Need help with PCOS and Lowering Cholesterol

curleyq102
curleyq102 Posts: 3 Member
edited December 2024 in Social Groups
I was diagnosed with PCOS over a decade ago and have found that a lower carb/higher fat diet has helped every time I try to lose weight. Unfortunately, I just came back from my primary care physician and my cholesterol levels are thru the roof!! I'm only 36 and don't want to go on statins at this time. I was told to seriously cut my fat intake -- particularly my saturated fats. But if I cut out higher fat meats, dairy, etc....I have no idea what to eat to continue losing weight while also lowering my cholesterol. Any thoughts? Please help!

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  • KnitOrMiss
    KnitOrMiss Posts: 10,103 Member
    You don't just need to know your total number.

    You need to know your LDL, HDL, Trigs, Total, and whether the LDL is calculated or measured (calculated is default if doesn't say). Preferable would be to have the last set of numbers.

    Most docs flip out over the total number, and it is more or less irrelevant to true cholesterol concerns. The most important ratio is HDL/trigs.

    This is another group I'm in that has some absolutely fabulous information that explains why medical science is 30 years or so behind the truth about cholesterol.

    http://community.myfitnesspal.com/en/group/394-low-carber-daily-forum-the-lcd-group
  • perilousbard
    perilousbard Posts: 47 Member
    Hiya. I had a similar lab result this year. The nurse who called with the results was super rude so I faxed the results to my nutritionist for advice. In additon to the advice on reducing carb, meat, and dairy intake, she suggested taking a fish oil supplement (particularly one with DHA/EPA). When shopping for supplements, look for the USP label indicating it’s been verified by a third party company (Nature Made is a good brand). She also recommended increasing my activity level.

    I second KnitOrMiss' advice to get the numbers. The nurse who shared my results made it sound like I was on death's door when I merely had elevated triglycerides.

    In regards to change of diet, more plant based foods will definitely help. Maybe speak with a nutritionist and work out what would best fit your daily life and food preferences?
  • KnitOrMiss
    KnitOrMiss Posts: 10,103 Member
    elevated trigs is a huge sign of thyroid disorder, which can take 15 years before it shows on the TSH only test. www.stopthethyroidmadness.com can help you understand this better.

    The EPA/DHA ratio needs to be with EPA higher than DHA, preferably 2:1 or higher, if I remember right.
  • curleyq102
    curleyq102 Posts: 3 Member
    Thanks for the feedback. My report came back with the following numbers:

    CHOLESTEROL: 250 (0-200 mg/dL) High
    TRIGLYCERIDES: 276 (30-150 mg/dL) High
    HDL CHOLESTEROL: 38.0 (35-90 mg/dL)
    HDL RISK FACTOR: 6.6 (0.0-5.0) High
    LDL DIRECT: 170.0 (0.0-99.0 mg/dL) High

    These numbers seem very high to me! I am meeting with a nutritionist next week. I just want to make sure that I lower these numbers, but don't start gaining weight. A low-carb diet - high on meat, veggies and fruit has always worked for me. But if I'm told to cut back on meat, dairy, eggs, etc...I have no idea what I will eat for protein and not turn to carbs as an alternative! Thanks for any advice!!
  • KnitOrMiss
    KnitOrMiss Posts: 10,103 Member
    I can almost guarantee that's what they will tell you, based on old, outdated science. Read the book "Cholesterol Clarity" by Jimmy Moore and Dr. Eric Westman. Jimmy Moore also does podcasts. If you do drop dairy and eggs, you will damage your health further. Triglycerides are created as vehicles to move glucose (carbs) to your brain and other areas as fuel. If you eat more carbs, it will go up.

    Be sure to get your doctor to check all the factors on stopthethyroidmadness.com especially the more detailed numbers, as trigs that high are a huge waving red flag of thyroid dysfunction or low-functioning...
  • perilousbard
    perilousbard Posts: 47 Member
    KnitOrMiss- In regards to stopthethyroidmadness.com- I don't generally trust websites that are selling something, lack reviewed medical research, and/or lack medical guidance from certified professionals. Why do you cite this website and what is your experience with it?
  • KnitOrMiss
    KnitOrMiss Posts: 10,103 Member
    edited July 2016
    It was recommended to me by @Dragonwolf, who herself has done extensive research on the subject. Mostly, it's just a cohesive site that has the info in one place. Every single bit of info I've found on that site I have been able to find/corroborate elsewhere. I have never bought a single product from that site, nor do I intend to. I have used the information suggested for testing to have my own doctors do independent tests - as well as to modify my medications accordingly, as well. Without them as an information source, my endocrinologist and I would likely not have made as much progress treating me as we have... He also indicated that that site has very good information on it. Whenever I google stuff to research my thyroid issues, that site nearly always comes up...

    Here are some other resources on high trigs, for your reference.

    paleoforwomen.com/cholesterol-clarity-by-jimmy-moore-lessons-in-womens-health-and-easy-to-read-heart-smarts-whether-youre-into-the-low-carb-thing-or-not/

    thoughtworthy.info/BlogPost/124/Cholesterol-Clarity-by-Jimmy-Moore-with-Dr-Eric-Westman

    livestrong.com/article/511914-high-triglycerides-for-hypothyroid/ This one uses some old science and some new science, so I don't like it as much...

    healthmonitor.com/high-triglycerides/written-article/surprising-causes-high-triglycerides Some info, not all confirmed.
  • perilousbard
    perilousbard Posts: 47 Member
    Thanks for the elaboration, @KnitOrMiss !
  • KnitOrMiss
    KnitOrMiss Posts: 10,103 Member
    No problem at all, @perilousbard! I'm a HUGE HUGE fan of research... I strongly recommend folks pick a starting place and don't stop until their own research lets them feel good about what they've found.

    I forgot to add that getting on thyroid meds helped me, with minimal dietary changes drop my trigs from over 200 (highest tested on my current lab history was 203 in January of 2009) to 112 just with thyroid meds. Adding in dietary and activity changes I've brought it down further to between 76-95, depending on timing... my HDL went from 29 to 41 to 52 over the same time range...
  • curleyq102
    curleyq102 Posts: 3 Member
    Thanks for the resources. With regards to my thyroid...I've had it tested so many times I can't count, but nothing ever comes back abnormal! It's interesting that you say it can take so long to show up in the blood work. I'm certainly going to have to do some additional research!
  • KnitOrMiss
    KnitOrMiss Posts: 10,103 Member
    @curleyq102 - TSH and sometimes Total T4 and such are about all that most docs test. If you're interested, you can post your numbers, and I'll share mine (I just put them together in another post in another group, and you can see how they relate and/or what to look for/have tested...

    Here's my other post:

    In October last year, before I took some time off low carbing, I'd stopped losing weight, and in 6 months, my TSH had gone from 2.699 uIU/mL to 3.979 uIU/mL... (before that it was at 1.640 uIU/mL in October 2014. For reference, I went low carb in January of 2015, but I hit a full on wall with my weight loss stopping suddenly at the end of March/beginning of April 2015. Some podcasts and such I've seen indicated that strict keto might have hit on an underlying adrenal issue that was "holding steady" but not really allowing anything to work well. I'm working on a new plan right now...). Here are my numbers in that time frame.

    Thyroid Stimulating Hormone (TSH)
    Date -- Result -- Reference Range -- Flag
    15-Apr-16 / 2.04 uIU/ML -- 0.36-3.740 -- none
    13-Oct-15 / 3.979 uIU/ML -- 0.358-3.740 -- H
    20-Apr-15 / 2.699 uIU/ML -- 0.358-3.740 -- none
    27-Oct-14 / 1.640 uIU/ML -- 0.358-3.740 -- none


    Free Thyroxine (T4)
    Date -- Result -- Reference Range -- Flag
    15-Apr-16 -- 1.28 ng/DL -- 0.76-1.46 ng/DL -- none
    13-Oct-15 -- 1.27 ng/dl -- 0.76-1.46 -- none
    20-Apr-15 -- 1.16 ng/dl -- 0.76-1.46 -- none
    27-Oct-14 -- 1.48 ng/dl -- 0.76-1.46 -- H

    Free Thyroxine (T4) Index
    Date -- Result -- Reference Range -- Flag
    21-Apr-14 -- 5.2 -- 1.5-4.4 -- H

    Total Thyroxine (T4)
    Date -- Result -- Reference Range -- Flag
    16-May-14 -- 16.8 UG/ML -- 4.8-13.9 -- H
    21-Apr-14 -- 17.3 UG/ML -- 4.8-13.9 -- H


    Triiodothyronine (T3) Uptake
    Date -- Result -- Reference Range -- Flag
    21-Apr-14 -- 30% -- 30-39 -- none

    Free Triiodothyronine (T3)
    Date -- Result -- Reference Range -- Flag
    31-May-16 -- 2.9 pg/mL -- 2.3-4.2 pg/mL -- none
    15-Apr-16 -- 2.67 pg/DL -- 2.18 -3.98 pg/DL -- none
    21-Apr-15 -- 2.9 pg/mL -- 2.3-4.2 -- none
    21-Apr-15 -- 2.7 pg/mL -- 2.3-4.2 -- none
    28-Oct-14 -- 3.0 pg/mL -- 2.3-4.2 -- none
    17-May-14 -- 3.2 pg/mL -- 2.3-4.2 -- none

    Reverse Triiodothyronine (T3)
    Date -- Result -- Reference Range -- Flag
    31-May-16 -- 26 ng/dL -- 8-25 ng/dL -- H
    25-Apr-15 -- 20 ng/dL -- 8-25 ng/dL -- none


    Antibodies Tests
    Date -- Test -- -- -- Result -- Range
    31-May-16 -- Anti-Thyroglobulin Antibody -- <1 IU/mL -- < or = 1 IU/mL
    31-May-16 -- Thyroid Peroxidase Antibodies -- 1 IU/mL -- <9 IU/mL


    Basically, my end said with my T3 being lowish and my T4 being high, it seemed like I wasn't converting (which low stomach acid/no gallbladder is a HUGE part of it, other stuff contributes), which is what our body is supposed to do. Both my thyroid antibodies tests came back negative, so that was a good thing for me, but definitely something for me to watch. Also, he said that my TSH coming down, but my T4 still being high told him I wasn't converting either. My T3 levels still being low. Me feeling like crap, all of it was part of deciding to add the T3 in. As far as I know, I won't retest until October at my next appt. Just wanted to share my numbers during the same timeframe for reference.
  • KnitOrMiss
    KnitOrMiss Posts: 10,103 Member
    Apparently, through some research, insulin resistance in and of itself will increase trigs, too...

    http://community.myfitnesspal.com/en/discussion/10428002/ac1-now-normal-but-random-insulin-still-high#latest

    This thread, the latest posts, have some food information about how to help with various things as well.
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