Kidney damage
motrilla
Posts: 13 Member
Are any of you guys concerned with kidney damage? I've been reading a couple of articles on the web and its got me a little concerned.
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Nope I am following keto and it's a low carb, high fat and moderate protein woe. High protein MAY add stress to kidneys IF you have existing kidney problems. I would feel safe eating a meat only diet at a 1:1 protein to fat ration, and I fully intend to do this eventually. I just haven't been able to give up my Michelob Ultra yet!
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I agree with @dmariett116. Except for the Michelob Ultra part
I don't worry about it since I'm generally healthy, drink plenty of water and don't add any other stressors to my kidneys. 1 -
I don't believe it's a major concern for those with healthy kidneys. Though a few on here have posted about developing kidney stones, you may need a pre disposition to those though for it to be a concern.2
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If you keep moderate, not high protein, and stay hydrated there really shouldn't be any additional stress on you kidneys.1
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Cool, I appreciate all the feedback. Thank you all
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Remember that grams are what matters, not necessarily the percentages that MFP gives us with the free accounts.2
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No concern at all, and in my current stage, I very likely consume more than twice the protein of just about anyone else in the LCD community.2
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Not concerned at all!!!! All my labwork always comes back good. Also, a dear friend of mine who, on top of being a T1D, was in stage 3 Kidney failure...yet, when she saw how well me and my mother did on Keto, she tried it herself. Mind you ALL of her doctor's told her there was nothing she could do about the Kidney failure, no way to reverse it, etc. When she started Keto her Glomular Flow Rate (GMR) was 22 (very bad) for a woman her age (She was 60 y/o then). A year after faithfully following Keto, she completely reversed the Kidney failure and at her last test, her GMR was in the high 50's (58-59) which, from what I understand is right where it should be for her gender and age range. Boy was she pissed off at her Doctor's though!! lol
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A dear friend of mine who, on top of being a T1D, was in stage 3 Kidney failure...yet, when she saw how well me and my mother did on Keto, she tried it herself. Mind you ALL of her doctor's told her there was nothing she could do about the Kidney failure, no way to reverse it, etc. When she started Keto her Glomular Flow Rate (GMR) was 22 (very bad) for a woman her age (She was 60 y/o then). A year after faithfully following Keto, she completely reversed the Kidney failure and at her last test, her GMR was in the high 50's (58-59) which, from what I understand is right where it should be for her gender and age range. Boy was she pissed off at her Doctor's though!! lol
Wow! That is something to think about... Any idea exactly how this worked?
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Wow! That is something to think about... Any idea exactly how this worked?
@RalfLott ...I know, right?! I don't personally understand the chemistry / biology / science behind how this reversal happened. My friend did continuously share her lab results with me throughout this process though so all of the findings were verified by the tests the doctors / labs ran. I'm just happy for my friend that she had such a remarkable improvement in her health...so is she. lol1 -
Yeah, I'm puzzled. I've never heard of such a radical improvement in GFR in someone with chronic disease (as opposed to temporary conditions).
You'd think it would be the straw that put the low-carb camel on network daytime TV (the last dusty corner of the universe to give up on the flat-earth theory).0 -
Not concerned at all!!!! All my labwork always comes back good. Also, a dear friend of mine who, on top of being a T1D, was in stage 3 Kidney failure...yet, when she saw how well me and my mother did on Keto, she tried it herself. Mind you ALL of her doctor's told her there was nothing she could do about the Kidney failure, no way to reverse it, etc. When she started Keto her Glomular Flow Rate (GMR) was 22 (very bad) for a woman her age (She was 60 y/o then). A year after faithfully following Keto, she completely reversed the Kidney failure and at her last test, her GMR was in the high 50's (58-59) which, from what I understand is right where it should be for her gender and age range. Boy was she pissed off at her Doctor's though!! lol
Wow. I think I heard that Dr Bernstein reversed his kidney failure too, after he sort of invented home BG testing. (He is an 80 year old T1D - when he was diagnosed, ther was no home monitoring of BG and life expectancy was not very good. 
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Not concerned at all!!!! All my labwork always comes back good. Also, a dear friend of mine who, on top of being a T1D, was in stage 3 Kidney failure...yet, when she saw how well me and my mother did on Keto, she tried it herself. Mind you ALL of her doctor's told her there was nothing she could do about the Kidney failure, no way to reverse it, etc. When she started Keto her Glomular Flow Rate (GMR) was 22 (very bad) for a woman her age (She was 60 y/o then). A year after faithfully following Keto, she completely reversed the Kidney failure and at her last test, her GMR was in the high 50's (58-59) which, from what I understand is right where it should be for her gender and age range. Boy was she pissed off at her Doctor's though!! lol
Wow. I think I heard that Dr Bernstein reversed his kidney failure too, after he sort of invented home BG testing. (He is an 80 year old T1D - when he was diagnosed, ther was no home monitoring of BG and life expectancy was not very good. )
Oh, good intuition! He is as likely source as any to have info about reversing conditions through an LC diet (and exercise, perhaps.....). I'll try to chase it down.0 -
And eating the old SAD diet is no way to guarantee no problems with the kidneys - had 2 family members die of kidney disease, one of what used to be called Bright's disease and 1 of kidney cancer & they did not eat LCHF0
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Wow. I think I heard that Dr Bernstein reversed his kidney failure too, after he sort of invented home BG testing. (He is an 80 year old T1D - when he was diagnosed, ther was no home monitoring of BG and life expectancy was not very good. )
Yep, @nvmomketo, you were right!
http://www.diabetes-book.com/bernstein-life-with-diabetes
The whole fascinating story is worth reading, but here are a few renal highlights...
Bernstein had kidney stones, proteinuria, and a junkyard full of other nasty symptoms already in his 20s:During my twenties and thirties, the prime of life for most people, many of my body’s systems began to deteriorate. I had excruciatingly painful kidney stones, a stone in a salivary duct, “frozen” shoulders, a progressive deformity of my feet with impaired sensation, and more. I would point these out to my diabetologist (who was then president of the American Diabetes Association), but I was inevitably told, “Don’t worry, it has nothing to do with your diabetes. You’re doing fine.” But I wasn’t doing fine. I now know that most of these problems are commonplace among those whose diabetes is poorly controlled, but then I was forced to accept my condition as “normal.”
Fortunately, he ignored the wisdom of the ADA and began some remarkable self-experimentation, using himself as a 115-lb. guinea pig, with the help of an early blood glucose checker the size of a small garage:I spent the next year checking my blood sugars 5–8 times each day.
Every few days, I’d make a small, experimental change in my diet or insulin regimen to see what the effect would be on my blood sugar. If a change brought an improvement, I’d retain it. If it made blood sugars worse, I’d discard it. I discovered that 1 gram of carbohydrate raised my blood sugar by 5 mg/dl, and ½ unit of the old beef/pork insulin lowered it by 15 mg/dl (milligrams per deciliter). Blood glucose values in this book are as a rule given in mg/dl. If you should need to translate from one to the other, 1 mmol/l = 18 mg/dl.
Within a year, I had refined my insulin and diet regimen to the point that I had essentially normal blood sugars around the clock. After years of chronic fatigue and debilitating complications, almost overnight I was no longer continually tired or “washed out.” People commented that my gray complexion was gone. After years of skyhigh readings, my serum cholesterol and triglyceride levels had now not only dropped, but were at the low end of the normal ranges.
I started to gain weight, and at last I was able to build muscle as readily as nondiabetics. My insulin requirements dropped to about one-third of what they had been a year earlier. With the subsequent development of human insulin, my dosage dropped to less than onesixth of the original. The painful, slow-healing lumps the injections of large doses of insulin left under my skin disappeared. The fatty growths on my eyelids from high cholesterol vanished. My digestive problems (chronic burning in my chest and belching after meals) and the proteinuria that had so worried me eventually vanished. Today,my results from even the most sensitive kidney function tests are all normal.
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Wow. I think I heard that Dr Bernstein reversed his kidney failure too, after he sort of invented home BG testing. (He is an 80 year old T1D - when he was diagnosed, ther was no home monitoring of BG and life expectancy was not very good. )
Yep, @nvmomketo, you were right!
http://www.diabetes-book.com/bernstein-life-with-diabetes
Bernstein had kidney stones, proteinuria, and a junkyard full of other nasty symptoms already in his 20s:During my twenties and thirties, the prime of life for most people, many of my body’s systems began to deteriorate. I had excruciatingly painful kidney stones, a stone in a salivary duct, “frozen” shoulders, a progressive deformity of my feet with impaired sensation, and more. I would point these out to my diabetologist (who was then president of the American Diabetes Association), but I was inevitably told, “Don’t worry, it has nothing to do with your diabetes. You’re doing fine.” But I wasn’t doing fine. I now know that most of these problems are commonplace among those whose diabetes is poorly controlled, but then I was forced to accept my condition as “normal.”
Fortunately, he ignored the wisdom of the ADA and began some remarkable self-experimentation, using himself as a 115-lb. guinea pig, with the help of an early blood glucose checker the size of a small garage:I spent the next year checking my blood sugars 5–8 times each day.
Every few days, I’d make a small, experimental change in my diet or insulin regimen to see what the effect would be on my blood sugar. If a change brought an improvement, I’d retain it. If it made blood sugars worse, I’d discard it. I discovered that 1 gram of carbohydrate raised my blood sugar by 5 mg/dl, and ½ unit of the old beef/pork insulin lowered it by 15 mg/dl (milligrams per deciliter). Blood glucose values in this book are as a rule given in mg/dl. If you should need to translate from one to the other, 1 mmol/l = 18 mg/dl.
Within a year, I had refined my insulin and diet regimen to the point that I had essentially normal blood sugars around the clock. After years of chronic fatigue and debilitating complications, almost overnight I was no longer continually tired or “washed out.” People commented that my gray complexion was gone. After years of skyhigh readings, my serum cholesterol and triglyceride levels had now not only dropped, but were at the low end of the normal ranges.
I started to gain weight, and at last I was able to build muscle as readily as nondiabetics. My insulin requirements dropped to about one-third of what they had been a year earlier. With the subsequent development of human insulin, my dosage dropped to less than onesixth of the original. The painful, slow-healing lumps the injections of large doses of insulin left under my skin disappeared. The fatty growths on my eyelids from high cholesterol vanished. My digestive problems (chronic burning in my chest and belching after meals) and the proteinuria that had so worried me eventually vanished. Today,my results from even the most sensitive kidney function tests are all normal.
Good. Well not for him (initially) but I`m glad I was right. Too many carbs and not enough ketones and I am not as sharp as normal lately... Not that I was sharp before but lately I feel more like a ground down crayon.
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@nvmomketo - That was a pretty pointed metaphor for a dull crayon! I'm not buying the ground-down part.
Are you back on the wagon and feeling cutting-edge again?0 -
@RalfLott You always crack me up.
Not cutting edge. No. More safety scissors. My BG is constantly up, and my autoimmune issues are still acting up after a few months. I'm just "off", and I keep caving to "bad" carbs about once a week when I get low on energy. A vicious cycle. A few days ago I had 6 marshmallows and my BG hit an all time high for me. I need to eat mostly meat, and maybe fast more, but I just don't wanna.... whine whine. (this is wear you roll your eyes at me ) 4 -
Not rolling eyes just yet.... You're not on any meds, si?0
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@nvmomketo - Hard to fast when you're hungry and feeling lethargic!
There was mention recently of coffee enemas. ??
(There goes my memory.... maybe it was drano..... Drat!)0 -
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