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I have had a couple of wheat related items come through my inbox in the last 48 hours. I was caused to ask "how many proteins are then in wheat" I was astounded to read 23000, if I have the 0 right, caused by it having 6 sets of genes when we have two. I'd been told as a child gluten was the protein in wheat, shows how far understanding has come over my life time. Are the medical profession complicit in encouraging us to maintain this understand of only one protein in wheat or am I so disillusioned by them.

I have often read "grass fed" meats have benefits. It was following the wheat protein concept that I discovered along with all the proteins comes, "plant protection from predictors" wheat is capable of producing many many more "chemicals" which do different, not good things in different places. As a species we feed wheat to all manor of animals in our food chain. Thinking if we are susceptible to these things to a greater or lesser extent then so are they. Does factory farming of animals pass these things on to us?

We feed grain to cattle, chickens, fish and more, can we feed goats with wheat? Probably not they eat with a different kind of process, stripping vegetation or have not been trained yet to accept grain for our convenience, so far may not encounter the same issues as we can from wheat. I fear the problems salicylate causes me, the means by which many plants protects themselves from moulds and mildews. (A few cashews and two halves of walnuts and my tinnitus almost took the top of my head off after a period of renewed strictness). So I probably give all this more consideration than many. I think I have stopped thinking eating meat would protect me from salicylate because it could expose me to other things if I could not get grass fed.

I hope you are reaping benefits of your experiments. I read the recommended period of elimination before a challenge is 60 days. Best of Luck.

DH said he updated two drivers and he might have achieved something, I've finished!

I'm sure you will have an instinct before the 60 days. I think it is to give you a "clean" playing field. What I said about things being passed from meat to us was speculation on my part. Many many years ago I had what I decided had to be a penicillin reaction after a meal out and decided the animal must have been treated too close to being killed. I think in the intervening 40 years the legislation has been changed.

I'd not heard of chicken being made more succulent by adding gluten. I have no ideas if UK rules are different. I fear the people one meets in an outlet would have less of a clue what is in the foods they serve because they do not as yet, have dietary issues or take those they have to be, normal. The best normal which is not in my view is its normal to have indigestion, then by extension, all indigestion is due too much digestive acid when the probability for someone who has hypothyroid issues and or is older the reverse is more likely to be true.

Its too complicated for them, these doctors. we spend days, weeks trawling through medical sites looking for information which relates to us, they don't have time to think past what they are spoon fed in training, that this is a simple issue of tsh not the quality of t3 within a cell for which there is no current live test available. The medical profession is too willing to believe the conversions process t4 to t3 is a given but it requires vitamins, minerals and a good digestive biome which is often compromised by the courses of antibiotics which kill all kinds of microbs not simply the least helpful ones. The liver is also heavily involved in this process too. its frightening just how much is involved. The question should be if the person has all these symptoms, a hand full from 300 potential ones and their tsh is xx, why is this happening, where is the break in the system not just take synthetic t4.

Our thyroid glands can be compromised by other problems within our endocrine system, adrenals and pituitary for starters. I've been told my dietary salicylate problems do not put pressure on my thyroid yet tucked away in freely available medical papers I've seen this is so. Makes my local endocrinologist someone I really can't trust. Its why I am working with a nutritionist now after a life time of being told its me who is wrong. You have to be eating too much.

Looking at dietary requirements for all persons the advice given is that we all need 150 microns of iodine a day. Its probably more for those which hypothyroid issues. When you think there are 30 microns in 100 ml milk, 60 in the same amount of yogurt, a medium egg has 24. Green veg is usually about 4 per 100 grams, its hard to build up the numbers, that's without selenium and other stuff. Eating at a deficit makes it harder to achieve good nutrition.

It is essential to know the t3 status of a person the combination of active and reverse t3 similarly t4, wider endocrine problems can block the active form. Vitamin and minerals are required for good health knowing their status can show clues where the principal problem lie. For me it is essential to know if a person has antibodies for Graves or Hashi then to discover the principal causes so it/they can be reduced if not eliminated. Genetics are something which I think should be taken into consideration to, contrary to how it used to be viewed set in stone, it is now considered there are the potential for good and ill which can befall us if circumstances contrive against us, stress, intolerance, even chemicals in the environment. There are several different problems possible in our individual make up some of which can be circumvented by the prudent inclusion of the necessary minerals etc to bridge possible gaps.

Its beyond me on a bad day fortunately they are not so often thanks to the advice of the nutritionist. We all have to find what it is that works for us, unfortunately most doctors are not that interested.

I have heard this before. I simply don't believe it. Before I had my Hashi diagnosis I'd been told by a professor in immunology that he was sure my problems started with a hypothyroid problem. Being sick of feeling ill and getting no where in the past, from that point I did my research and decided to load myself with 500 mcg iodine, (I'd done some research and if some medics treat with 3000 I felt safe) and minerals and vitamins daily and I started to actually feel better. It was then I had all the thyroid tests, tsh t4 a t3 and antibodies through the local hospital, NHS excelled itself for once. Antibodies showed up. So if there should have been an issues it should have show up?

I was supposed to get better on 50 mcg of the synthetic t4. I decided to trust the specialist!! and stopped my loading. All it did, was to suppress my tsh and did nothing for my symptoms. long story I moved on.

Why is natural iodine etc worse for you than the synthetic version someone please tell me.

Reviewing my dietary supplements, I see I'm taking 260 mu of iodine, I think that's mcg with various minerals and vitamins. I expect I still have Hashimoto's. I have tried to reduce my antibodies but not tested to see what they are up to............... I feel better than I have for the last 20 years.............. My family know the difference, The real me is coming back.

I should add, don't do as I did. I did my own risk assessment and was happy with that monitoring how I felt.