I think I may have the Keto Flu.. Help!
sh512266
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I am two weeks into eating no carbs except for fruits and vegetables. I am experiencing headaches, muscle pain and fatigue. This just started a few days ago. I heavily salt my boiled eggs (usually 3-4 per day) and eat a lot of pickles. But otherwise I mainly eat fruit, veggies, chicken, turkey breast, homemade chili, shrimp and hummus. Since reading the post of the "keto flu" I feel like that might be what I'm experiencing. I work out and sweat a lot 60-80 mins daily. The diet is definitely making me drop lbs!
Are salt pill expensive? Are they at GNC or HEB? I live in southern Texas. Or should I just try the Ketorade mix at home instead of wasting money on the pills if I shouldn't need them long term? My daily sodium for the past week of so has only been 1000- 2000 mg daily, but I wasn't logging the heavy sprinkling of salt I was putting on each boiled egg. Advice much appreciated!
Are salt pill expensive? Are they at GNC or HEB? I live in southern Texas. Or should I just try the Ketorade mix at home instead of wasting money on the pills if I shouldn't need them long term? My daily sodium for the past week of so has only been 1000- 2000 mg daily, but I wasn't logging the heavy sprinkling of salt I was putting on each boiled egg. Advice much appreciated!
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Also would the Ketoaid drank once daily fulfill my sodium/potassium needs in addition to what I'm eating now?
Ketoade is simply:
8-12oz of water, flavored with a no-cal, no-carb flavoring (like Mio)
1/4 tsp of salt
¼ tsp of potassium salt
Blend thoroughly
Chug
I don't know where I could find potassium salt, hopefully it's a the grocery store.0 -
Yeah I think you likely need to add salt in. You can but nu-salt at Wal-Mart and other groceries. I would stay with one ketoade see how thy feel, you might need more initially because you are so depleted. Hope you feel better soon.2
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Also would the Ketoaid drank once daily fulfill my sodium/potassium needs in addition to what I'm eating now?
Ketoade is simply:
8-12oz of water, flavored with a no-cal, no-carb flavoring (like Mio)
1/4 tsp of salt
¼ tsp of potassium salt
Blend thoroughly
Chug
I don't know where I could find potassium salt, hopefully it's a the grocery store.
You'll need to drink at least 2.
Potassium salt is often sold under the name NuSalt, No Salt, and etc. Look on the label for potassium chloride.1 -
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Awesome, thanks for the help. I'll be running to the store shortly to get the potassium salt and some flavor drops. How much magnesium and I looking for in a daily pill?0
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- Magnesium: a minimum of 300-400mg. Though many people require 600-800mg. YMMV.
How on earth are we going to get all this in? We don't have a whole bag of salty potato chips to solve this on our WOE!
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Many low-carbers take theirs before bed, as mag supplements tend to fix problems with night cramping and insomnia. Be aware that some people experience vivid dreams as a result. That's not bad, just different. Also, you'll need to discover your personal need level. Some are good with only 300mg. But some people need more. People who drink a lot of coffee, are on diuretics, or have thyroid or autoimmune dysfunction may require a lot more. We recommend increasing your dose by 1 pill every night until you reach the point that you experience some gastric upset (yup-TMI-sorry. Loose stools.) At that point you back off one pill.
Another way to supplement magnesium is through the skin. Your body will absorb the mag until it is full up, then stop. This way you don't need to worry about swallowing more pills or toilet troubles. You can do this by soaking part or all of yourself for 30 minutes in a bath with epsom salts or by purchasing and applying pure magnesium oil to the skin.
That's from the stickie at the top of the group on "Keto Flu."
This link discusses the varying types of magnesium available and may help you choose:
http://www.timeforwellness.org/blog-view/which-magnesium-supplement-is-best-and-for-who-336
I take 400mg of magnesium glycinate nightly.1 -
Thank you! I just bought 400mg tabs of magnesium from magnesium oxide, citrate and aspirate. I'm going to take it tonight. Also purchased Mio and Nu-salt which I'm about to drink. I hope they perk me up soon!0
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Thank you! I just bought 400mg tabs of magnesium from magnesium oxide, citrate and aspirate. I'm going to take it tonight. Also purchased Mio and Nu-salt which I'm about to drink. I hope they perk me up soon!
Magnesium oxide is not absorbed well and is famous for causing loose stools. Be very cautious with those!
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Shoot!! I guess I'll take it tonight and hope for the best, or I'll have to get a different one
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I could exchange it? It's not opened yet. What should I buy instead?0
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I could exchange it? It's not opened yet. What should I buy instead?
Get one that is just magnesium citrate, or any of the other ones ending in -ate they will be more absorbable. The one you have may not be too bad since it sounds to have multiple forms, but I'm not familiar with it so can't say for sure. I prefer magnesium glycinate.0 -
auntstephie321 wrote: »I could exchange it? It's not opened yet. What should I buy instead?
Get one that is just magnesium citrate, or any of the other ones ending in -ate they will be more absorbable. The one you have may not be too bad since it sounds to have multiple forms, but I'm not familiar with it so can't say for sure. I prefer magnesium glycinate.
This is what my friend takes and it does make her have loose stools!! Every time! That's why I avoided buying it.0 -
The second image above is what I purchased. I haven't opened it and really wanted to try it tonight. I could exchange of return it but I don't think I saw any magnesium glycinate at HEB here. I wonder if CVS would have it? Does it have any loose stool effects at 400 mg? Any particular brand?0
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That link details exactly the best forms to buy0
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Hmmm . Maybe I'm reading the wrong link? The "Timeforwellness" link (above) says there is basically no difference.
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The second image above is what I purchased. I haven't opened it and really wanted to try it tonight. I could exchange of return it but I don't think I saw any magnesium glycinate at HEB here. I wonder if CVS would have it? Does it have any loose stool effects at 400 mg? Any particular brand?
Most regular pharmacies don't have it, maybe a vitamin store? I order mine on Amazon or vitacost. I've tried other forms too that were highly recommended and I don't seem to absorb them as well as the glycinate.1 -
Glycinate is what I use also. I figured if I was going to take magnesium for night time foot cramps I might as well get the advantage of the glycine for it's reported neurological benefits. Dunno.1
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Whole Foods has the other kinds of magnesium.0
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Thank you! I just bought 400mg tabs of magnesium from magnesium oxide, citrate and aspirate. I'm going to take it tonight. Also purchased Mio and Nu-salt which I'm about to drink. I hope they perk me up soon!
I think lots of us (me included) bought the oxide type the first time. I just took it since I bought it but I know that instead of taking whatever my full dose was once or twice a day, I started splitting it up and trying to take smaller doses throughout the day.
If you do that, you should avoid having too much hitting your gut at once, and be able to maximize the possible absorption from it.
The recommended amount daily is at least 400mg, so if your tablets are 200mg for example, and you know it's a lesser absorbed form, I would aim to take at least 600mg knowing that a whole lot of that will be wasted. Try taking one tablet 3 times a day. If your tablets are a higher dosage, just try to distribute them throughout your day however it seems to work best for you. You would probably have bathroom trouble taking 600mg in one dose, but not in 3... you may even be able to tolerate much more than that if you space it out like I'm saying. To avoid the cramps, and get basic replenishment you probably won't need any more than the 400-600, but you can also choose to take more than just the minimal amount needed to ward off symptoms. That's what I've chosen to do (2000mg+ a day of magnesium carbonate) but I'm kinda into supplementing in general.
If you're interested in knowing more about magnesium and it's function in the body you could check out the book The Magnesium Miracle.0 -
baconslave wrote: »
I know different people have different experiences. I was simply pointing out that the inserted article does not detail the specific magnesium to buy and was wondering if I was missing a more appropriate link. From the link I was referencing (the only link I saw) http://www.timeforwellness.org/blog-view/which-magnesium-supplement-is-best-and-for-who-336:
"So as the current science stands there is not sufficient evidence to suggest one form of magnesium is superior to another in terms of bioavailability, in fact clinical studies have generally found a variety of forms (in particular carbonate, chloride, citrate, orotate and oxide) able to correct deficiency and clinically effective for a wide range of illness (10). Perhaps any difference in absorption between various types of magnesium is not that meaningful in terms of actual benefits".0 -
baconslave wrote: »
I know different people have different experiences. I was simply pointing out that the inserted article does not detail the specific magnesium to buy and was wondering if I was missing a more appropriate link. From the link I was referencing (the only link I saw) http://www.timeforwellness.org/blog-view/which-magnesium-supplement-is-best-and-for-who-336:
"So as the current science stands there is not sufficient evidence to suggest one form of magnesium is superior to another in terms of bioavailability, in fact clinical studies have generally found a variety of forms (in particular carbonate, chloride, citrate, orotate and oxide) able to correct deficiency and clinically effective for a wide range of illness (10). Perhaps any difference in absorption between various types of magnesium is not that meaningful in terms of actual benefits".
It also does go on to say that different forms have other benefits.Magnesium is only half the story
An underappreciated factor in magnesium supplementation is the “other half.” Magnesium is typically bound to another molecule, such as citric acid in the case of magnesium citrate, and a number of these secondary molecules have important biological effects that may help guide the selection of a suitable magnesium formulation...
I picked glycinate because of it's supposed help with sleep.1 -
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I returned my original and got magnesium glycinate today. I'll take 400 mg tonight and I'm really hoping it'll help with sleep, which has been horribly disturbed as of late! I had two Ketorade drinks today (1/4 tsp salt + 1/4 tsp nu-salt) in addition to a lot more sodium in my diet and I still have headaches and fatigue. Hoping it works within a few days. I was so full of energy for weeks of doing this WOE until now.0
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I returned my original and got magnesium glycinate today. I'll take 400 mg tonight and I'm really hoping it'll help with sleep, which has been horribly disturbed as of late! I had two Ketorade drinks today (1/4 tsp salt + 1/4 tsp nu-salt) in addition to a lot more sodium in my diet and I still have headaches and fatigue. Hoping it works within a few days. I was so full of energy for weeks of doing this WOE until now.
I've found it to be amazing for sleep so take it a bit before bed, at first it really knocked me out and I wasn't ready to wake up when I needed too lol1 -
Oh also don't expect to feel 100% right away, it took a bit to get you depleted so it'll take a bit to feel replenished just keep it up and give it a little time1
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Will do!! Thanks!0
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