The Liver is the New Microbiome & Carbohydrate Fatty Liver Disease
RalfLott
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Here's a very entertaining, informal roundtable on various aspects of The Liver's role in metabolism, heart disease, etc. with LC sluggers Ivor Cummins, Dr. David Unwin, and Samuel Feltham, Director of the UK nonprofit, Public Health Collaboration www.phcuk.org.
Hepatologists will rule the world!
Highly recommended.
https://youtu.be/Qbdo-Y3YOrA
@baconslave for launchpad vids.
Hepatologists will rule the world!
Highly recommended.
https://youtu.be/Qbdo-Y3YOrA@baconslave for launchpad vids.
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Herpetologists rule the world!!! Ssssssssilly, I know.
Seriously tho, the liver is very important for so many things in our bodies..... ketone bodies are produced mainly in the mitochondria of the liver cells.2 -
canadjineh wrote: »Herpetologists rule the world!!! Ssssssssilly, I know.
Seriously tho, the liver is very important for so many things in our bodies..... ketone bodies are produced mainly in the mitochondria of the liver cells.
Right? It's not like everyone's going to develop herpes, but maybe it's like tapeworms that you can get from infected fleas or chips with Olestra.... .0 -
The liver is the metabolism general. Maybe the most underrated part of health. It was interesting how they discussed liver function test as a possible canary in the mine....early predictor of disease...long before formal diagnose.
What's really astonishing to me is that there is very little attention to the fact that NAFLD is booming in school age kids. Even here in reindeerland, chubby kids used to be very rare. Not anymore. Is it all the HFCS? or is it all the snacking and cookies nonstop. Or both... How can people so young be getting a disease that is the evil twin of alcohol abuse? It's very disturbing. And I hope the medical community wakes up soon.
@RalfLott Ty for the good share
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Foamroller wrote: »The liver is the metabolism general. Maybe the most underrated part of health. It was interesting how they discussed liver function test as a possible canary in the mine....early predictor of disease...long before formal diagnose.
What's really astonishing to me is that there is very little attention to the fact that NAFLD is booming in school age kids. Even here in reindeerland, chubby kids used to be very rare. Not anymore. Is it all the HFCS? or is it all the snacking and cookies nonstop. Or both... How can people so young be getting a disease that is the evil twin of alcohol abuse? It's very disturbing. And I hope the medical community wakes up soon.
@RalfLott Ty for the good share
It really is astonishing what sorts of canaries are popping up in kids. Liver disease, T2D, compromised immune responses...
Looking back at my recent history of lab tests, I see far fewer detailed hepatic function (and immune system) tests than A1c and lipid panels.
I have to imagine my liver is in relatively good shape now and that it would have remained in rough shape if I were still consuming the ADA's recommended jolts of carbs.....3 -
this was great thanks for the link. I have nafld and when I found out u cut out sugar and lowered carbs but it snuck back in in small amounts so thanks for the reminder it's poison!!3
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My husband has NAFLD and I keep trying to encourage him to low carb diet. He is doing better but he cheats way too much. I can't get him to understand the seriousness of it and that carbs are killing his liver! Frustrating but I'm not the nagging wife type. Just the gentle reminder here and there because I love him...lol2
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"Sugar. My older patients call it Sugar". That comment by one of the docs was interesting because I'm of the age where I heard my parents say, "He has Sugar". It is true. The word diabetes was not used as much as "Sugar. He has Sugar. He was just diagnosed with Sugar".
That would have been back in the 1950s, 1960s. I heard it many times.7 -
"Sugar. My older patients call it Sugar". That comment by one of the docs was interesting because I'm of the age where I heard my parents say, "He has Sugar". It is true. The word diabetes was not used as much as "Sugar. He has Sugar. He was just diagnosed with Sugar".
That would have been back in the 1950s, 1960s. I heard it many times.
In WV all the older people and a lot of younger people call it "sugar" or sugar diabeetus. lol
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"Sugar. My older patients call it Sugar". That comment by one of the docs was interesting because I'm of the age where I heard my parents say, "He has Sugar". It is true. The word diabetes was not used as much as "Sugar. He has Sugar. He was just diagnosed with Sugar".
That would have been back in the 1950s, 1960s. I heard it many times.
Yep, me too, most recently from older patients at a diabetes clinic.
I wonder where "Type 2" came from - maybe from our friends at the Sugar Association, via our other friends at the ADA and colleges near you....3 -
Sugar or sugars is a lot more common still in the south.3
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The liver fascinates the crap out of me. It's so important. I mean, if you're liver is f**ked, YOU'RE f**ked, and we need to be more careful. I'm astounded that this affects 20% of the western world! More than diabetes! Such an important discussion we are not having, as he said.
Over the summer, I was binge-watching the Fat Doctor series (BBC show where a doc does gastric bypass surgeries on morbidly obese people who have given up trying to eat right) and this fellow basically would force many of these patients to drink nothing but milk for weeks before he makes his first cut... done in order to shrink down the liver to his liking so it's not in the way of his operation. I find that quite ridiculous...and gastric bypass surgeries ridiculous in general, to start with.5 -
The liver fascinates the crap out of me. It's so important. I mean, if you're liver is f**ked, YOU'RE f**ked, and we need to be more careful. I'm astounded that this affects 20% of the western world! More than diabetes! Such an important discussion we are not having, as he said.
Over the summer, I was binge-watching the Fat Doctor series (BBC show where a doc does gastric bypass surgeries on morbidly obese people who have given up trying to eat right) and this fellow basically would force many of these patients to drink nothing but milk for weeks before he makes his first cut... done in order to shrink down the liver to his liking so it's not in the way of his operation. I find that quite ridiculous...and gastric bypass surgeries ridiculous in general, to start with.
I was horrified when I saw this BBC show!
Thanks for posting the video. It reconfirmed in my mind, how important Low Carb is. The comments about the good carb diet and the changes it wrought was a real eye opener.3 -
@bjwoodzy a guy at work had gastric bypass and he had to go on a very low carb diet before to shrink the liver and he's supposed to stay low carb after! It's nice that at least some doctors admit this way of eating is necessary!!!
Interesting. They may be the most nutritionally savvy of all the surgeons and most of the docs. No accident that a llot of the top LC academics are attached to obesity clinics.4 -
I got sucked into "My 600 lb Life" the other day. Not sure why I even turned it on, but here this lady who is like 684 lbs is told by the doctor to lose 50 lbs in the next month by eating zero carbs. Sure enough a month later, she had dropped nearly 60 lbs.
I decided to watch one more episode, and sure enough it has almost the exact same conversation and result.
I know this show has been on for at least a few years, and if this doctor tells all the people this and they all have this result, how in the world can we not have more acceptance that it is the carbs making people fat?5 -
@bjwoodzy a guy at work had gastric bypass and he had to go on a very low carb diet before to shrink the liver and he's supposed to stay low carb after! It's nice that at least some doctors admit this way of eating is necessary!!!
That is very interesting, because the doctor on the show, plus the doctor who did the operation on my mom (30+ years ago) AND her new husband's doctor who did the operation on him as well (just a couple years ago) all had them eating on high carb, low fat plans.0 -
cstehansen wrote: »Sugar or sugars is a lot more common still in the south.
Lol yes, my friends in NC and GA say, "Oh, you've got the sugars!" especially when I was a house guest at one's home, and the one girlfriend was offering us all pancakes and remembered
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@cstehansen yes it's crazy. Also I think if I successfully lost 60 lbs. in a month I'd be tempted to put off the surgery and see how much more I could lose without it!
@bjwoodzy this guy went to John Hopkins and they were very pro-low carb before and after! I'm glad because now I have a low carb work buddy! lol5 -
dasher602014 wrote: »
I was horrified when I saw this BBC show!
Me, TOO! But that doctor is just sooo lovely and has such a caring bedside manner and I could not stop watching the show. I was entranced by him. Even though I disagree with the NHS band-aid of the gastric bypasses en-masse rather than focus on diet and prevention, I do think he has saved a lot of lives and is doing his best to offer his gifts to help with the obesity crisis across the pond.
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New poster campaign...
NAFLD
It's NOT sexy
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Bwaahahahaa!
(kneads a butter spelchucker)5 -
LMFAO!1
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I have only just recently become aware of how much of thyroid activity is converted and utilized IN THE LIVER. I have had one liver test pop up just out of range twice, and the most recent test was a leap better. But all these autoimmune resources available now, and the system connections and such, I'm all over some liver support supplements. I should have them in the next few days to try. I didn't have a chance to watch the video above yet... Did they make any specific recommendations?1
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Man.... I would LOVE to be able to sit around and talk health and LCHF with people like that. I have almost no one to talk shop with about this stuff. In "real life" anyways. You all are a much needed resource! 5
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@nvmomketo
my circle of friends exactly the same and sadly enough, many of them are on quite a few medications for GERD, hbp, diabetes etc.
when we eat out, it almost hurts to see what is being ordered.2 -
@nvmomketo
my circle of friends exactly the same and sadly enough, many of them are on quite a few medications for GERD, hbp, diabetes etc.
when we eat out, it almost hurts to see what is being ordered.
The thought of giving up those tasty foods was harder than actually doing it. They don't know that though.
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Awesome video. Thanks for sharing.1
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