Deep thought for the day

steve0mania
steve0mania Posts: 3,534 Member
edited November 2024 in Social Groups
A week or two ago we had a discussion based on an idea I proposed: that losing weight requires a change in identity.

Today I thought we might discuss the chicken-egg version of this--does weight-loss lead to a change in identity, or does a change in identity lead to success in weight loss?

I don't want to "pre-lead" the conversation, so I won't post my thoughts right away and let others discuss a bit first.

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  • 88olds
    88olds Posts: 4,605 Member
    Well, early on I wanted to be "the kind of person who works out." The book I was using for my blueprint recommended 6 days of exercise, 1 day of rest. My first "workout" was 8 min on the stationary bike (clothes rack) in the basement. That was the most I could do. I figured 5 days on the bike and a long walk on Saturday when I had more time. Sunday rest.

    The thing that worked for me was that in my own head, i made a big deal out of these "workouts." Even though, after working at it, I was only exercising for 15 minutes, I would go through my pre "workout" routine. I had to come home, go straight upstairs and put on my workout clothes. I had to figure out how long and what level I was biking at today.

    It worked. I tricked myself into exercise. Been at it for 20+ years now. Of course we know that exercise has definite limits as a WL aid. But because I changed my eating at the same time I got on a WL trend that took me from 285 to about 220.

    PS When I was in college I did an internship at a program for drug addicts. A concept they promoted was "Act as if...". Act like you've already made it. Act like you've found what you're looking for. This concept is not unique to drug treatment. I have a friend who is into eastern philosophy. He was explaining to me that there is a school of thought that suggests thinking and speaking of oneself as "awakened". This is in hope of actually getting there.
  • podkey
    podkey Posts: 5,399 Member
    Being active is something I enjoy. Always have. Wasn't active enough sometimes in college and early grad school. No change there. I do upper body weights in gym once or twice a week of late. I combine moving w fun and what I "need to do". Walk in wetlands for fun and combine biking w errands. Gosh much easier than the ole I have to force myself to do stuff indoors formally. Must move every day so I enjoy it.
    My change is less than many especially those who struggled more in childhood. Also I am more the loser of half a hundred pounds ( about 60lb) which is different from the above 100 lb or several hundred lb.
    I do have a lady buddy or two who have lost over 100 lb and kept it off and we do well together.
  • linmueller
    linmueller Posts: 1,354 Member
    does weight-loss lead to a change in identity, or does a change in identity lead to success in weight loss? ...

    For me, I think it was a fake it until I make it situation.

    When I joined WW, I most definitely did not have a change in identity. BUT I ate like I did. I tracked, weighed, measured, and was mindful. I made hard choices and sacrificed, but my inner 3 year old was kicking, screaming and complaining that it wasn't fair!

    Eventually, I liked the person I was 'pretending' to be, and even more slowly, I actually became her. I honestly like (most of the time) not eating to stuffed and with abandon. I'm definitely more confident now in my smaller body, and it has led me to get outside of myself more.

    That said, I think the change in my identity has led to more success in weight loss.

    And when I regress, I go back to fake it until I make it mode. Sometimes feelings lead to actions, but just as often, actions lead to feelings.
  • steve0mania
    steve0mania Posts: 3,534 Member
    Thanks to those who responded...I guess this wasn't such an exciting question!

    For me, I think the weight-loss led to an identity change. As we discussed previously, there were a lot of changes that happened as I started to lose weight, and I eventually had to change my view of myself when I lost weight (and maintained that weight).

    But, I will say, that the identity change has impacted other areas of my life. There is indeed something about knowing you can do difficult things if you simply persist at them that is a really important lesson. This attitude has helped me really think about "who I want to be" and what steps I need to take to get there.
  • Al_Howard
    Al_Howard Posts: 9,965 Member
    OK Steve (who used to do that on SNL?) I'll give you my answer:
    I was a fat kid teased, mocked, picked on, etc..
    In high school I lost weight (pre WW), did an exercise regimen, and became a 6' , stand tall, talk loud, act tough guy. Later, pre WW 1st round, I had mellowed, but still stood, talked and acted "big". Now, almost 40 years removed from the 1st WW, I still try to stand tall (better for my back), but am much more subdued (grandfatherly?). Between the two, I went from 190# to 335#, and now working towards 225# (the weight my PCP wants me at), but I don't feel I have felt much "identity change". Guess I am kind of an old man, but still have a bit of attitude, especially when challenged. Definitely a different person from that "little fat kid".
  • Philtex
    Philtex Posts: 1,711 Member
    --does weight-loss lead to a change in identity, or does a change in identity lead to success in weight loss?

    Yes and yes.

    a) does weight-loss lead to a change in identity?
    As I discussed in the last post weight-loss changed me a lot. I am a different person (identity) post weight-loss. I certainly was not on that path before WW and losing the weight.

    b) does a change in identity lead to success in weight loss?
    I answer this by thinking what chance would I have had keeping off the weight if my identity had not changed. Not much. I might be using identity, habits and actions interchangeably here, but for me they fit together.
  • Philtex
    Philtex Posts: 1,711 Member
    Thanks to those who responded...I guess this wasn't such an exciting question!

    Not the topic Steve. This is the new, slimmed-down version of GOAD.
  • whathapnd
    whathapnd Posts: 1,501 Member
    I'm glad you posted a follow-up because I'd like to discuss further. I have no time today so will post this weekend.
  • minimyzeme
    minimyzeme Posts: 2,708 Member
    I'm going to have to give this one some thought too but interestingly enough, some related thoughts came to me about this just the other day. I was hiking through a wetland and realized 'I've been here before'. Not to that location so much as how my body felt and how it felt to carry my current weight. I can't say it was all joy. I realized it was much more freeing than carrying an extra 80 pounds but I didn't feel light as a feather either. I think I'm at a pretty healthy weight right now (or getting closer to it after a stressful winter) but I need to pay more attention to toning and conditioning.

    As of now, I feel like it's a mixed bag for me. The truth is I have been here before, but not in over 10-12 years. Some of 'the rest of life' has added emotion or stress sensation of weight that has replaced the physical weight. I want to reduce that load as well. I'm trying to take it on in similar fashion to the weight loss but like that, it's sure not linear.

    I don't think I've totally answered the question but it's good 'food for thought'...
  • gadgetgirlIL
    gadgetgirlIL Posts: 1,381 Member
    Good question to ponder!

    I'd say that my two most successful weight loss/weight maintenance efforts occurred after I had an identity shift.

    In 2001, I finally had to stand up to my father (very long story but he made my mother's life pretty miserable while I was growing up) and tell him "NO" about something very important. After he got settled into a new living arrangement (it was no longer safe for him to live alone), I was able to focus on myself and be empowered to make the changes necessary to lose 130 pounds. I kept that weight off for nearly a year before other changes in his health status (dementia) led to great emotional distress that resulted in a slow increase in my weight over the next few years.

    In 2009, I was in the throes of the fallout of some very unethical behavior on the part of my former program director. I had to have some very difficult conversations with higher ups as I wasn't willing to compromise my ethics to back this person. I ended up with a target on my back for a couple of years before the incident finally faded away (director left, upper management changed, students in program during that time graduated and moved on). By 2011 I was finally feeling empowered enough to reclaim my health and wellness as I had regained about 40 pounds since my father's death in 2005.

    I am most certainly NOT the same person I was when I was younger. I also was the fat kid when I was in school who was picked on and shunned. I still don't have a large circle of friends, but I also don't care to. I'm an introvert and find spending time with a lot of people to be draining. The exception is the few friends who like to engage in recreational pursuits with me. I find that very energizing to be outside sharing the experience with them.
  • myallforjcbill
    myallforjcbill Posts: 6,058 Member
    This is not as straightforward as I first thought when I read it. I think once I "shift" into a healthy identity, it is a lot easier to live healthy. But I haven't found it to be an either or. The fat guy identity takes time to fade away and surrender control. As one fades the other grows. I think in the end I am never totally free of it. But we take our history and memories with us.
  • susan092907
    susan092907 Posts: 364 Member
    I think for me, neither weight loss to identity nor identity to weight loss. I grew up average size. I considered my self to be a "regular sized" kid and teen - not too skinny, not too fat. I gained a lot of weight (for me, though objectively probably not that much) during my first year of college. I spent the next 40+ years yo-yo-ing up and down, on and off WW, losing to a very low, and gaining to a very high (for me). My goal was always to get back to my "regular sized" identified self.

    Since getting to goal weight and now maintaining for the past 6 years, I've been working to identify as a person who maintains her weight. Though I have been maintaining within 5 - 6 pounds of my goal weight, I still don't feel comfortable identifying as a maintainer. I work very hard at this, I feel that I'm always on the brink of regaining all my weight, and I'm very frequently battling weight creep back in weight loss mode.

  • GavinFlynn1
    GavinFlynn1 Posts: 1,664 Member
    This has been a really good question for me to think about. I hate to admit it, but I think for me, weight loss led to identity change, rather than vice versa. A big part of me wants to believe differently.

    But the more I think about it, I'm not sure why it bothers me to think that my identity can be changed by multiple small actions taken over a sustained period of time.

    I remember the last/first time I joined weight watchers, after about a year not only have I reached my physical goal weight, but I noticed that the character of the man I was had changed. I noticed that I no longer saw myself as someone helpless in the face of circumstances.

    Unfortunately, I recaptured my old self image. When my mother passed away, it hit me much harder than I had expected it to. I had previously dealt with the loss of my father, my sister, and my unborn son, so I thought I had "control" of how I would react. I did not. Depression is a real thing. And in that space, my old self image of someone who was helpless in the face of circumstances took over again.

    The way I see it now, there are two realities which seem contradictory. First, there are many things in life over which we have no control. Second, the belief of control is a large factor in a person's ability to succeed at difficult things.

    I find that I am in the process of again shaping myself into a person who believes he has control over his own decisions.

    SteveO, thanks for putting this question out there.
  • Jimb376mfp
    Jimb376mfp Posts: 6,236 Member
    "Thanks to those who responded...I guess this wasn't such an exciting question!"

    @steve0mania I think it's a great question, but Saturday is slow day on GoaD.

    In my case the change in my identity came first when my son's words made me realize how my weight and health were impacting him and my family.

    Four years ago I was 376#, 65 yo, retired, sedentary and had no outside interests. I was slowly killing myself and ignoring their pleas to do something. It reminded me that I had that same exact feeling when I was young and my alcoholic mother died at age 54. Our family tried to help her but...
    I promised him I would do "something".

    After losing 100 pounds I began to change more than just my bad eating habits. I began to enjoy exercise by joining aqua Aerobics, then adding swimming laps, then 10K steps on Fitbit. I get out and do things and volunteer.

    I can say I have a New and better Lifestyle. So seeing my own self identity led me to lose weight and then losing lots of weight has changed the way I see myself today.

    I am much more happy as Jim221 than the old Jim376. Someday I plan to meet Jim199. A persons weight doesn't determine their happiness but being obese can impact it. (IMHO)

    Onward and downwards!
  • myallforjcbill
    myallforjcbill Posts: 6,058 Member
    This is a question with many dynamics and well worth exploring
  • podkey
    podkey Posts: 5,399 Member
    Very thoughtful Gavin. So sorry for your losses. I still do weekly WW meetings and think the reinforcement helps my emotions and depression. Activity helps me too.
  • countcurt
    countcurt Posts: 593 Member
    Yes.

    I had tried without success to lose the weight on multiple occasions. I had gotten part or most of the way but never succeeded. So, clearly something changed, because I did it this time. Mostly easily, but not without challenges.


    Once I lost the weight, like Steve-0, I had a significant change based on the newly developed self-confidence that came with having finally achieved a goal that was so elusive to me for so long. That self-confidence has radically altered how I interact with others and how I approach many challenges that have presented in my life since then.
  • goldenfrisbee
    goldenfrisbee Posts: 1,640 Member
    For me, a change in weight loss creates a change in identity. I've only sucessfully lost weight once. When I was 40 I went from 278 to 238, and I can remember starting to feel like a normal person when I hit 250. I didn't feel like I was the heaviest person in the room anymore. And I felt pretty good about myself. Then I let it all go...
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