Fasting
Ayane101
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This is a very broad topic and one that I encourage everyone to put input on that way we can all be informed and able to help each other more.
I have fasted before for religious reasons - but I really want to know about it as it pertains to health and wellness. (Notice I did not say weight loss) Not everything is about weight loss and properly doing something with your body will in turn help with weight loss - at least that is my understanding.
Anyways, can you share your knowledge/experiences with fasting. What you did, how long, how was it, recommendations for yourself and others, and why?
Thanks in advance!
I have fasted before for religious reasons - but I really want to know about it as it pertains to health and wellness. (Notice I did not say weight loss) Not everything is about weight loss and properly doing something with your body will in turn help with weight loss - at least that is my understanding.
Anyways, can you share your knowledge/experiences with fasting. What you did, how long, how was it, recommendations for yourself and others, and why?
Thanks in advance!
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Hi! I currently do Intermittent Fasting 8:16, where my eating window is noon-8pm. I have PCOS/Insulin Resistance and there's some murmurs that IF could help but either way what I've found is a few things:
- I don't have my morning coffee, so I don't drink coffee throughout the day, eliminating the cream and sugar I'd normally be ingesting all day.
- I drink tea and/or water with nothing in it, so I'm better hydrated.
- It's easier to track two meals + snack and I can have slightly denser meals if I want, but it's definitely overall easier to manage.
- It's basically eliminated all late-night snacking.
Some caveats - I usually eat around 10am on the weekends and I have been known to make occasional late night exceptions if I'm out but I try not to. I've been fasting about three months and am 22lbs down, but I couldn't tell you if it's because of the "fasting" or because the fasting helped my diet overall.3 -
I have been considering 5:2 fasting, which is two very low calorie days, and 5 regular calorie days (loosely interpreted). There's a group here on MFP that has some good info. I haven't actually tried it yet because at the moment, I'm losing by eating the same calories daily, but I'm thinking of trying it the next time I have a plateau stall to see if i can get things started again. I have read some seemingly reliable info that fasting can help with blood sugar issues, possibly beyond what regular weight-loss will do, but I think the jury is still out on that, as the studies are preliminary.1
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I fast every day between 1pm and whenever my dinner is, usually 7-10pm, except on Wednesdays where I'll eat breakfast because I'm out late for lab. Unless I pack a lunch, then I'll skip it. I say "fast", but I don't snack at all, so it's more like refusing to eat my first meal before 1pm and then eating my second meal whenever and then going to bed. Not quite as structured, but the concept of not eating until a certain time is the same. I just eat all of my snack calories into my meals because it's easier to track, and it personally holds me off better.
I find that my hunger is weakest in the morning, as I don't usually wake up hungry. Yet if I eat breakfast (which I normally skip) I'll still be hungry by the afternoon. Just waiting until the afternoon saves me the calories from breakfast, which is great because it fits what I usually do anyway. I eat my lunches anywhere from 1-4pm because the later I eat it, the less hungry I am throughout the rest of the day, so the less I have the urge to snack. Also my family tends to eat dinner really late. That's not a meal I have control of. I usually stay awake until 1-2am though, so no big deal.
I think the basic idea is that if you eat more within a condensed period of time, you'll be more full within that time period but still be incentivized to not eat outside of it. Thus theoretically, you should be eating less in total. That's how it works for me, anyway.
The only downside I can think of for me, is that I'm always hungry before I get to eat. I guess that's part of the whole point though. It's 11:53 am and I'm sitting in my chemistry class feeling the hunger pangs, but I'm so used to them now in the mornings that it's like having an itch. On the bright side, having class really helps enforce it haha0 -
fubarfornow wrote: »I have been considering 5:2 fasting, which is two very low calorie days, and 5 regular calorie days (loosely interpreted). There's a group here on MFP that has some good info. I haven't actually tried it yet because at the moment, I'm losing by eating the same calories daily, but I'm thinking of trying it the next time I have a plateau stall to see if i can get things started again. I have read some seemingly reliable info that fasting can help with blood sugar issues, possibly beyond what regular weight-loss will do, but I think the jury is still out on that, as the studies are preliminary.
I just watched a BBC documentary on fasting where they examined the benefits and several strategies. 5/2 seemed to be the preferred approach for broad adoption. I'd like to give it a try but think I'll wait till I'm in maintenance or at least close to goal weight.
http://www.dailymotion.com/video/xvdbtt_eat-fast-live-longer-hd_shortfilms#.UOOjXKz47XS0 -
Many mornings I wake up not hungry so I wait until 11 or noon to eat. Then I try to stop eating by 7 or 8 pm, just because I know it is a slippery slope for me to be eating late at night. Lol so I guess I practice IF part time without knowing It? (I have always thought IF was not for me). But I try to also listen to my body and not get in a rut. This morning I was hungry so I ate a solid 400 calorie protein packed breakfast. But that is not the norm. So great to hear everyone's experiences. Thank you for sharing.0
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This is all great information. I love being able to see how other people maintain themselves whether it is for weight loss or preference.
I personally am slowly training myself to rely less on food. If I can get over the late night eating and such I think I will be better but my family just generally eats later in the evening/night 90% of the time because of activities and such.0 -
I don't like fasting per se .. I might reduce my calory intake by chosing low cal / low fat food for a period of time but do not skip any meals ... not eating definitively doesn't work for me.
What I do sometimes is juicing ... the 1st time I did it was for like a week but now I might do 1 or 2 days a week if I think I need like reset my body. All I have during those days is fruits and vegetable juices and compliment with 1 meal that is a salad.0 -
For those who haven't followed the links, the real benefits claimed from fasting are positive changes to your hormones and insulin level (your blood work). Reducing calories-in is more of a secondary benefit. I'm waiting to try this till later because weight loss is my immediate paramount goal.
If some of you have more immediate concerns with your bloodwork, I suggest looking more closely at fasting.
Search youtube for 'dr jason fung' and you can listen to a discussion of the science.1 -
I was somewhat lurking this thread without chiming in only because I know how controversial fasting as a topic can get. I belong to several online forums concerning intermittent fasting and keto so Ive seen arguments from both sides. But, there's so much misinformation that exists on this wonderful worldwide web lol. The study of intermittent fasting or time restricted feeding is relatively new in the grand scheme of things. And like Keto, IF is something that challenges ideas that have been so ingrained in our heads for so long. "Breakfast is the most important meal of the day." "Eat frequent smaller meals." "Starvation mode." etc. It throws all that out the window and rather aims to focus on the health benefits of remaining in a fasting state. The science is there. As Theo mentioned Dr Fung has several talks explaining the benefits of IF, as does Dr Rhonda Patrick, Dr Satchin Panda, Rob Wolf, Taubes, and many more. If anyone is actually interested I can post useful links to their works, studies and podcasts.
So to answer the OP regarding fasting... I am an advocate of IF and Keto working in tandem. It works for me. What works for one may not work for some. I have PCOS, which means I have insulin resistance. Which also means my body cannot process carbohydrates normally. Which means low carb eating is what allows me to lose weight. Keto has also proven to reverse my pre-diabetic symptoms according to my Dr at my last visit and blood work results. She said "Your results are night and day." IF addresses my insulin resistance because I spend longer periods of time in a fasted state, with low insulin levels. Eating frequently induces an insulin response from your body. Put extremely simply...More insulin, more resistance. For me, Keto reduces hunger significantly due to higher satiety coming from fats and protein, so fasting feels natural to me. I listen to my body. If I feel hungry, I eat. If I'm not hungry, I don't eat. I don't need to wake up and force myself to have breakfast just because we were told we "can't skip it." IF works for me because it's also extremely flexible. Set your feed window to whatever works for your schedule. If you fast for at least 16-18 hours, your body can still reap the benefits.
Anyway I could go on and on and I feel like I have lol. Sorry! But I'm not going to preach or impose this way of eating on people though- to me, weight loss as well as lifestyle decisions are mostly personal choices. So, your mileage may vary.
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Just to clarify, I don't have anything against fasting ... I actually think that sometimes is actually necesary. My husband does IF and he does great with it. He is quite fit, but he does it because he likes how he feels.
Why don't I? Because I get cranky I need to eat at least small portions every 3 to 4 hours and my last meal needs to be at the latest by 7pm.
I started this journey about 4 months ago and I think also as our body changes we might need to adapt how we approach getting healthier ... so you never know, you might have me in 3 months advocating 100% for IF2 -
I'll also clarify my post to say that I do not do intermittent fasting all the time. I've gotten better at listening to what my body needs. There are certain times a month...heh...where my hunger is more pronounced so I adapt. Scheduling is also a huge factor with IF because sometimes you have a lunch date with the girls or date night with the husband, or a number of social events that require you to be more flexible with eating times. Its all ok! As someone stated above, its about making lifestyle changes that are sustainable. And life isn't always gonna be carefully scheduled!1
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I'm currently getting into 8:16 IF, for two reasons; 1. If I have a "normal" breakfast, I end up starving after an hour no matter what I eat, and it kinda ruins my day. 2. I generally prefer to have as many calories as possible left later in the day. So far it is going good, I'm only a couple of days in so we'll se how it goes.
I have previously tried 5:2, juicing and vlcds with only shakes and such. Not for me. I was feeling awful and hangry, and ended up gaining instead of losing because I went overboard when I could actually eat. That being said, I don't see anything wrong with fast days for someone who actually feels like they benefit from it, though. As long as it's a sustainable choice.4 -
I've been asked by a few people to share the Intermittent Fasting details that I've found are working for me, so in the interest of efficiency, I figured I would just post here.
For me, I started with IF 16:8. This means 16 hours of fasting and 8 hours feed window. When you are sleeping, you are in a "fasted state" therefore, those hours spent sleeping also count towards your fasting time. Your feed window basically maps out a window of time when you eat- you should be consuming your calories and nutrients inside of that time. IF does not equal starving yourself!
There is some debate regarding whether or not consuming things like coffee or tea will "break fast," and I believe that everyone's body is different. The approach and mindset I adopt is that anything I ingest that will induce a digestive or metabolic reaction from my body, will break my fast. Whether that is black coffee or vitamins. So outside of my feed window, I only intake water. Lots of water. Again: this is wholly dependent on what approach you take on fasting. For some people, having black coffee or tea during fasting works perfectly fine.
The important thing to note about IF is that your window is entirely flexible AND IF is not something you need to "sustain" - you can absolutely do IF one, two, four, six or ANY days a week you wish. As long as you are achieving at least a 16 hour fast, you will reap the health benefits of fasting. (Some studies suggest women to start at 14hrs, but again, listening to your body is important). For me, I started at 3 days a week, to 4 days and now I am on a little over two weeks of 18:6. I moved on to 18 hours fasting because it works for me. With keto, my hunger is not an issue whatsoever and I'm able to have really delicious and substantial meals due to this. Will I do IF forever? No. I'll do it on days that feel natural for me and work with my life.
That said. You can adjust your window according to what works for you. Are you someone who gets hungry mainly earlier in the day than in the evening? Start your feed window at 10AM and no eating after 6PM. Or are you someone who gets hungry later in the day and into the evening? Start your feed window at 1PM and no eating after 9PM. Its entirely flexible to what suits you.
My approach is as follows:
18:6, 7 days a week
*Consume only water until feed window starts
2PM I break my fast with a smaller meal. Usually bacon, eggs, and some type of fat- avo or cheese.
Vitamins and Supplements taken.
Coffee and cream for the day.
1L Water w/ Lite Salt and some Lemon juice (electrolytes are important)
6:30PM or 7PM Dinner - this is my big meal for the day. Its extremely satisfying and hits my macros.
Vitamins and Supplements taken.
No eating after 8PM.
Water.
My weekly loss target is 2lbs/week. I usually exceed it because I eat at a higher deficit. If your calorie goal is higher, it may feel like a struggle at first. This is why Keto works so well with IF, because Keto is extremely satiating. If you are not doing Keto, IF is still totally possible. Listen to your body and find a window that works best for you and your daily schedule.
When doing IF, I still hit my calories and macros (I need to work a little on hitting protein every single day though). And on days where I may not be doing IF, I still eat at my calorie goal.
Again, IF is not about starving yourself. I do not find I am hungry while fasting. I am not watching the clock counting down the timer when I can eat lol. If you speak to most people who do IF, they can attest to this.
For those who are looking for advice on how to bust through any crawls or stalls, feel free to do more research on this if its something you might be interested in. I can of course only speak from personal experience, and cite references that have helped me, but I am now 4lbs away from being under 200lbs, and I have been at a steady 2-3.2lb loss every week even at this weight when loss typically starts to slow down. So I believe in my heart that this is something that works for me. Your own mileage my vary, and I'm in no way imposing my nutrition plan on others- simply answering some questions that were sent my way. I'm always happy to talk about what I'm doing, but again, you have to do what you feel works best for your body and your life.
Related References:
Really great IF community and information
Mobile app for tracking fasting that I use
Benefits with research studies cited
IF for Weightloss w/ Jason Fung
Time Restricted Feeding w/ Dr. Satchin Panda, Circadian Rhythm approach
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Thanks for sharing on IF, I know it is in my future when I'm in maintenance.
I could never wait till 2pm for my coffee though!0
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