Have you been criticized for not doing it the "hard" way?
brendajean316
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I sent a friend request to someone who writes a lot of blogs that are motivating so I thought I would "friend" her and then her posts would jump into my newsfeed.
She deleted my friend request because I said I was prepping for the lap band surgery. And while she apologized for deleting me, she still made it clear that people who are not struggling the "hard" way need not apply.
Do you get criticized or discriminated against because you opted for surgery?
She deleted my friend request because I said I was prepping for the lap band surgery. And while she apologized for deleting me, she still made it clear that people who are not struggling the "hard" way need not apply.
Do you get criticized or discriminated against because you opted for surgery?
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I've heard more times than I could count how surgery is the "easy way out." The main forums here-particularly the success stories" section-usually includes comments like "I did it the hard way. No pills, no surgery, blah, blah, blah." And hey if that's how you feel, cool for you. I've never personally been discriminated against by my peers or anyone I know. At least not to my face. Most people are happy for me and anyone who's not and talks behind my back, F them. I know when my wife had her surgery a few years before me, some of the other women at work would make snide comments about her "shaking her *kitten*" (which she doesn't, she has joint problems that make her sway a bit when she walks) or whatever. One of her "best friends" and coworkers at the time completely snubbed her. I think the problem is worse for women from my personal experience and observations.
As far as the surgery being the "easy way" I call complete bullsh!t on that. I busted my hump before surgery exercising and eating right. I've continued to bust my hump post-surgery by exercising and eating right. And last year when I didn't stick to my regimen, I put weight back on frighteningly fast. To be successful, I have to log every bite here and be accountable to myself. That's no "easier" than someone doing the same damn thing but not having a surgery. Maybe it's willpower. Maybe it's mental health issues. Maybe it's an emotional thing. Maybe it's a slow metabolism. Or maybe some people just have a hunger they can't satiate normally. If I look at a cheeseburger, my *kitten* will jiggle for a week. I work with a lady that you couldn't pinch a millimeter of fat on her anywhere and she downs a double quarter pounder meal with large fries, a large coke and an extra McDouble like it's nothing. She's had two kids and looks like she did before she even became pregnant! That's just the way it works for some people.4 -
@StevenGarrigus "As far as the surgery being the "easy way" I call complete bullsh!t on that."
I feel this way too. Because you own a car should you walk or bike to work because a car is the easy way? I mean it's not very environmentally friendly what are you thinking?! I'm making a joke, but you get my point. The lap band is a tool you use to get to where you're going. I certainly don't see it as a quick and easy fix. It just shocked me as I wasn't expected this type of stereotype on this site, but I am now schooled.
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I have been. It was hurtful and embarrassing.
It is tough to hear but, while I don't think the surgical route has been easy, I have a tremendous amount of respect for people who have been able to lose and maintain without it. I AM jealous that I didn't have the wherewithal to do it "on my own".
On the other hand, there are plenty of people who "did it the hard way" who aren't as strong or fit as I am! Surgery might have helped me lose weight initially, but it is my own hard work and determination that makes me a marathon runner...and in a couple of weeks, I'll be an ultramarathoner.
Funny enough, I don't even think so much about my surgery anymore. Milestones/anniversaries come and go without a second thought. I've been maintaining my weight for a year now. Now I just think about what new challenge I can tackle.
There is plenty of hard stuff in life, there is no shame in asking for help when you need it!3 -
Um, this site is fraught with stereotypes. That's why groups like this are necessary!brendajean316 wrote: »@StevenGarrigus "As far as the surgery being the "easy way" I call complete bullsh!t on that."
I feel this way too. Because you own a car should you walk or bike to work because a car is the easy way? I mean it's not very environmentally friendly what are you thinking?! I'm making a joke, but you get my point. The lap band is a tool you use to get to where you're going. I certainly don't see it as a quick and easy fix. It just shocked me as I wasn't expected this type of stereotype on this site, but I am now schooled.
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I am and have been where @StevenGarrigus was. I kept my surgery to myself with the exception of a good number of people and to this day, some people don’t know.
It’s definitely not the easy way because like @StevenGarrigus I also have been struggling with some weight gain and working on knocking off 15-20 lbs. I know I will get there because I have the tools and I am self aware...I’m just needing to re-train my brain and play around with my food. I am planning to take a page out of @JamesAztec’s book and eat minimally processed or not processed foods and see if that helps.
People who think this is easy needs to walk a day in our shoes!4 -
@Ultima_Morpha I'm so happy for your success! And you are absolutely right! I came to the group for true insight. I'm too old to be naive, but I came with an open heart. I think I will be limiting where I find inspiration. Thank you for reminding me!3
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@jcavanna2 I had primarily kept it to myself with the exception of a few friends I've made on this group. I tried to make a new friend but instead ended up being the lady in her blog she wouldn't friend because that lady (me) is taking the easy way out with a lap band.
While my name isn't used directly, it's now open for additional people to criticize bariatric surgery (and me).
I've also been following the minimally processed foods. I try to eat things that have 3-4 ingredients that I can identify. I've been exercising for about 6 months now, and while I have made a big improvement, but I am hopeful with some initial weight loss I can do more than just moderate exercise.
My friend had gastric bypass about 10 years ago. When she begins to gain weight she pulls out all her directions from surgery and follows the instructions to the letter again. It seems to work for her, so just a thought for you. Just don't stop trying!
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Everyone's path is different. The person who told you that is arrogant and narrow-minded - not to mention ignorant about WLS. I've heard this same line a number of times and it's total BS. You do what you think is right, and ignore the nay-sayers. For the record, I had VSG surgery 5 years ago. I've maintained a weight loss of more than 100 lbs since. I am thankful every day that I had surgery - my only regret is that I waited so long to do it!4
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Thanks @pattycakes726 . It seems this attitude stems more from a jealousy factor, but if they knew the WLS process like you say, they would not be so jealous! It seems like very hard work to me so far and I haven't even been approved for surgery yet!
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I just read the 'apology' she did as a blog post yesterday! I used to enjoy her blogs, but since reading that, I'm not going to anymore. It turned me off to her blog. This is NOT the easy way!
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@Samquentin I think if people understood more about the WLS, they wouldn't feel so jealous but understand that it was a hard decision to get there. I know the sacrifices I'm going to have to make and I'm scared about getting my lap band and if I'll be successful.
It's OK she didn't want to accept the friend request - I'm not upset over that. I was just surprised at how much the words hurt me to hear I was I was taking the "easy" way and therefore could not understand her journey doing it the "hard" way.
It's reassuring to know that I'm not the only one who feels that while she was saying she wasn't judging, she actually was. Thanks for sharing.2 -
@brendajean316 I just think, if someone who says I "took the easy way" would come live one day in my shoes, and know the amount of physical activity and what I do/do not eat, they would see, I've flipped my life upside down.
I personally know three coworkers who had gastric bypass or the sleeve, and the gastric bypass gained weight-WITHIN the first year!!- She said to me, "if I was young like you I'd be able to lose the weight" as she was eating a huge chocolate chip cookie. The two co-workers that had the sleeve surgery, one stopped losing after she lost 40 pounds, she is about 7 months post op, and after she saw what I eat, she said "well, I now see why you are successful and I am not!". The other sleeve has gained 15 pounds, but I also know she is eating horribly, and not following the surgeon/nutritionists recommendations.
One lady that is a fellow scout mom, had the band, but she hasn't gotten it refilled in a while, and doesn't watch what she eats or exercise. The surgery is a tool, not a magic pill.
I think that if you are going to be successful, and put yourself thru the surgery, you should be prepared to turn your life upside down, and do exactly what they say to do. Food and exercise-wise. Stop eating the sweets. Get the lean proteins. Eat the veggies. Get exercise in. Be successful.
Then tell The_Movie_Chair to screw off. We don't want/need that kind of negativity in our lives!!
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Thank you, @Samquentin! It is so important to be reminded of the failures and why. And they also are great examples on why this is still huge ongoing daily work! I'm definitely going to need some of your resilience during this process! I can do all of those changes on what I eat, but its living without my beer that's my biggest challenge!
BTW. I posted my own blog about the experience and my feelings and you know I've had people give it a "no" vote. I mean not voting at all makes sense, but a "no" vote? I feel like this is a bigger division than I realized. It's like the Democrat vs. Republican opinions of today. Far left, Far right, and hopefully the majority in the middle, but only the outskirts post their opinions. And if you oppose, you get deleted.1 -
I don't know if I'll ever understand why people can be so negative when it comes to someone getting healthy. I'm gonna support anyone who is attempting to improve their health in whichever route they pursue. I have friends who have had surgery and those who haven't. We all try to share best practices on what works and what doesn't work because at the end of the day we're all on the same path to wellness.
Brendajean316, you just can't please some people. If they really believe it's easier then my answer to them is 'yes, it's easier to avoid dying by being overweight and all the complications that come with obesity'.
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I feel you @loveshoe !
The responding posts contain opinions that getting WLS is not changing your lifestyle, or we aren't "using discipline and self denial."
The more I learn, the more I know how untrue those statements are. That is all it takes for any us of to lose weight whether with or without surgery!
It makes wonder then, is hypnosis also banned? Or people don't care because it rarely works? How hard is the "hard" way? Who has final say on this?
Which are these are acceptable to do if you are doing it the "hard way"?
Support Networks
Weight Loss and Diet Plans (Nutrsystem/Weight Watchers)
Hypnosis
Personal Trainers
Gym Memberships
Bariatric Surgery
Diet Pills
Colon/Body cleanses
Cryotherapy
Seaweed Wraps
Personal Chef/Food Delivery Plan
Health Resort (aka Fat Farm)
Plastic Surgery/Liposuction
In the end we should just wish everyone accomplish a healthy lifestyle.2 -
Oh yeah! MFP users are actually notorious for that; they're bullies when it comes to people who have had surgery. I told the ones I encountered that they were obviously denied by their insurances or couldn't afford it out of pocket and not to take that out on me. SO rude. This wasn't easy, at all. It's even worse if you regain some of that weight back and have to lose it again, ugh.4
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I originally only told 1 person I was having surgery, my now fiance. I did that because I constantly hear people being completely uninformed about surgery and I didnt feel like being discredited all the time and didnt feel I needed to be educating them. Then I started getting people accusing me of having the surgery. It was my business so I had no shame lying to them.
I recently told my old boss turned friend that I had the surgery but that was because I knew she would be completely supportive and non judgmental. So a year post op and only 2 people know.1 -
@Bekah7482 I also don't plan on telling work. It's not a huge secret, I'm not going to share is all. I expect some prejudice in that situation, but generally they are pretty good at accepting people. I'm still being cautious.
@ccruz985 Stick to it and you'll get them back off! Good luck.1 -
It's a tool that got me started but it's *kitten* saying it's easy if we don't eat right and exercise the weight will come back so screw the haters I'm happy with my results
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Not directly, but I’ve read comments to that effect. I’m sorry to those who have had it said directly to them.
I have lost over 100 and up to 170 pounds “the hard way” 3 times in my life and once “the easy way”. I speak from experience when I say it’s all hard. But with diet and exercise alone, maintenance goes from “hard” to “impossible” for all but a lucky 2-4%. Surgery didn’t make losing easier, it just gave me a fighting chance to keep the weight off.8 -
Wow @clcmfp Great insight “Surgery didn’t make losing easier, it just gave me a fighting chance to keep the weight off.” That’s good for me to keep in mind. It’s a marathon not a sprint like they say.
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@clcmfp YEESSS on so many levels. I only partially did surgery to help lose the weight but I'm 27 so I did surgery because I need to keep the weight off for another 50 years (knock on wood) and I wanted to give myself to tool to help me do that. It's not going to be easy to maintain long term but at least I feel like I have a chance.
I also feel like it didn't give me an advantage but put me on a level playing field as every one else. For the first time in my life, I feel like I eat "normal" human portions and am satisfied. For the first time in my life I have a "normal" relationship with food.5 -
I read the follow up post with her 'apology' and it was still so full of judgement, I decided I have no interest in reading any more of her posts. Then the follow up comments... it was painful, how if we would just put down the donuts and not eat a dozen at a time we'd be fine and not need surgery. I don't know about you but I never in my life ate a dozen donuts at a time.
Some of us face challenges beyond what we are willing to talk about with internet strangers and after years and years of trying, this becomes our 'step of last resort'. At least it was for me. I finally am making the progress that I was never able to before because of this change, and while I still struggle, it definitely is helping me from 'backsliding' and maintain, even if I am trying to get through some mental stuff right now.5 -
I was in a cafe with friends and a lady we knew came over to congratulate me and said to them wasn't I doing really well
One answered her saying I've lost nothing, the surgeon lost it for me
I was sitting eating cheese spread on crackers. They both had fish, chips, peas and a side of cheese toastie
I was going to the pool at 7am to swim lengths for an hour which they then made snide comments about how thier kids like to sleep longer and eat breakfast slowly while watching tv.
How it was cruel to take my child out for walks in an evening
I find those who don't want to dedicate thier time to making lifestyle choices are those that criticise and try and drag others down
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@ruqayyahsmum wow. I am so sorry you had to deal with that and probably continue to do so. I’m learning so much more that surgery and committing to the new lifestyle go hand in hand. I mean I knew it but it just keeps driving that nail home for me. Thank you!0
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I'm 26 and am 5 Days Post Gastric Sleeve Surgery and leading up I heard it soooooo many times. My Fiancee even told me I was cheating and I should lose it the natural way.1
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@JessieKat2552 how are you doing after surgery? And isn’t it hard to hear someone say those things? I think many overweight people are so from some sort of emotional struggle. Don’t they know that is exactly the sort of thing that can frail us? I wish you only the best with your weight loss. You deserve it!0
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@JessieKat2552 I'm shocked that your FIANCEE would think that. This is the person you plan on spending the rest of your life with? I'm not saying you should dump them but you need to take a hard look at your relationship and how their opinions of you are going to affect your mental and physical health going forward. Personally, I would not be in a romantic relationship with someone that didn't support or believe in bariatric surgery.
In regards to this topic overall, I think there will always be people out there that have a negative opinion of the surgery. We all know it's not "easy". I've been very fortunate in that I really haven't had to deal with it too much. A few years ago a couple of my bus passengers expressed some skepticism but they weren't really mean about it. Other than that everyone in my life has been supportive. The fact that six of my co-workers had bariatric surgery also I think helps. My work environment is very friendly and supportive. I believe that positive energy regarding my surgery has helped me in my fitness pursuits.4 -
brendajean316 wrote: »I sent a friend request to someone who writes a lot of blogs that are motivating so I thought I would "friend" her and then her posts would jump into my newsfeed.
She deleted my friend request because I said I was prepping for the lap band surgery. And while she apologized for deleting me, she still made it clear that people who are not struggling the "hard" way need not apply.
Do you get criticized or discriminated against because you opted for surgery?
I have been extremely lucky. My family, friends, and colleagues have been extremely supportive. While VSG has been a lifesaver for me, I wouldn’t call it easy. However, it has been easier than my lifetime of dieting. Of course, I have had zero complications.2 -
I think that no matter what, as long as you are using a safe method to lose weight nobody should have a problem with it. After all, the goal is to make yourself healthier. Whether that's losing weight "the old fashioned way" or surgery, you are working to make YOU better.
If anyone has a problem with that, screw 'em. My sense of peace & self-worth isn't based on what random *kitten* think of me.2