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Debunked? Like this?
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=b13uRiAGxKU

This was almost hard to watch so much was incorrect.
I read something from the Australian dietics Association too. They attacked a paleo whole foods diet as cancer causing and diabetes worsening... They were vehement. And misinformed.

Magic Pill definitely had an agenda, just like What the Health did. It was very pro Keto, but most of what they said was correct, especially concerning T2D. Many T2Ds can start to reverse their disease within days of switching to Keto. That was spot on. Been there, done that.

I must admit that I don't know if it helps autism as often as it did in the film, but she was also epileptic. Keto is often very good for treating epilepsy.

As for treating cancer with diet, I think it is a great adjunct. Probably can be preventative too. Time will tell.

crazyravr wrote: »

Dragonwolf wrote: »

crazyravr wrote: »

cricketpower wrote: »

^ What the Health is a bunch of crap.

So is this. I am sorry but it is. Balanced diet and nothing else matters unless there are medical issues.

You do realize you're posting in a group dedicated to low carb (which includes keto), right?

Yeap. And I FULLY expected to get flamed for posting this, but it has to be said. Documentaries like this are so scewed one way or another that its just sad. It was interesting yes, does it really work? Nope. Did it work for the ppl in the documentary? Yes, but please see where these people were coming from, diets. No wonder it worked.

No one gets flamed here. We have discussions.
Haven't seen it. From what I've heard, it's biased or has an agenda. Many documentaries do these days. Actually, everything does, really. But sure, if your diet is bad enough, any major improvements will likely garner major benefits. Would they have improved as much with another improved diet? Probably. But we don't know, because this isn't a RCT. It's just a docu-movie. It's probably a "n=1" fest. Does that mean it's all a sham?

We do know there's no magic. And there also isn't one perfect diet. But many find LCHF plans more sustainable for them. It certainly feels like magic when you can finally stick with something after failing and/or suffering over and over. When your health/pain/fatigue or whatever gets better.

Is it "the keto-way or the highway?" Of course not. Does the movie say that or just insinuate it?

Just some thoughts.
It'll be awhile before I can see it. And I'll have to watch it here and there in pieces probably. My hubby would rather stab himself in the eye than watch a low-carb movie. But he did sit through all eleventy-six episodes of the PBS Vietnam Ken Burns Documentary. THAT'S what a real documentary is. Whew. Intense.

crazyravr wrote: »

Dragonwolf wrote: »

crazyravr wrote: »

cricketpower wrote: »

^ What the Health is a bunch of crap.

So is this. I am sorry but it is. Balanced diet and nothing else matters unless there are medical issues.

You do realize you're posting in a group dedicated to low carb (which includes keto), right?

Yeap. And I FULLY expected to get flamed for posting this, but it has to be said. Documentaries like this are so scewed one way or another that its just sad. It was interesting yes, does it really work? Nope. Did it work for the ppl in the documentary? Yes, but please see where these people were coming from, diets. No wonder it worked.

Does it really work? Instead of "Nope" I would change that to for some it works very, very well.

Does it work very well for everyone? No, of course not.

It is very possible that if the people had switched to an Ornish/Pritikin style of diet that their health would have improved too, but that doesn't make the fact that keto worked for them any less true.

But I doubt a plant based diet would have helped the autistic girl with epilepsy. Ketones seem to do wonders for some people suffering with that, when other meds and diets do little.

crazyravr wrote: »

Dragonwolf wrote: »

crazyravr wrote: »

cricketpower wrote: »

^ What the Health is a bunch of crap.

So is this. I am sorry but it is. Balanced diet and nothing else matters unless there are medical issues.

You do realize you're posting in a group dedicated to low carb (which includes keto), right?

Yeap. And I FULLY expected to get flamed for posting this, but it has to be said. Documentaries like this are so scewed one way or another that its just sad. It was interesting yes, does it really work? Nope. Did it work for the ppl in the documentary? Yes, but please see where these people were coming from, diets. No wonder it worked.

I see no flaming going on here. Remember, disagreement is not the same as flaming. Also, I wasn't referring to your opinion on the video, but rather your comment regarding "balanced diet," because according to mainstream, "balanced" is USDA or "Mediterranean" style and low carb in general is not considered "balanced" (never mind the fact that mainstream's idea of "balanced"...isn't, by its own definition).

For the ones with general diet-related health issues, it likely was the diet change, itself and they could have improved on nearly any diet. When the bar is so low that it's underground, even a bar on the ground is a raise in comparison. I've seen evidence that a diet that consisted entirely of white rice and sugar can reverse diet-caused metabolic dysfunction, prompt weight loss, and keep the improvements even after the diet is no longer followed, which illustrates just how bad the Standard American Diet actually is when it comes to metabolic health. (It's also worth noting that most who struggle with their weight on the SAD probably do have a "medical issue." Lack of diagnosis does not mean there's no problem. Correcting the underlying dysfunction is a big reason why at least some people can lose weight eating at least as much on keto and lose weight where they couldn't previously.)

That said, it's also about adherence. The best diet in the world doesn't mean jack if the person can't stick to it. For most people, the higher fat and protein content makes it easier to stick to, because it's more satisfying. And when you can lose weight without feeling like you're trying, that does seem magical.

There are a great many studies that support the efficacy of ketogenic diets on epilepsy and other neurological disorders. Low carb was also the go-to diet for diabetes before the fat scare of the late 20th century (you can actually find old doctor recommendations from the 1950s and earlier that prescribe reduced carbohydrate diets for diabetics), and there's a growing body of formal research to support it, too. Regarding cancer, there is less research, but what's available does suggest that keto can be a helpful addition to treatment in at least some types of cancer (Andrew Scarborough is another good case study, and he's been working with doctors and researches for several years now).

Of course it's biased, that's what "edutainment" type documentaries are, especially these days, and that's exactly what this one is (with a name like "The Magic Pill" do you really expect any different?). Sometimes, though, it's what it takes to start changing mainstream minds.

The question is, though, is the science presented in the movie inaccurate? I personally found the implication that keto "cured" the girls Autism to be cringeworthy, but there's no doubt that it removed barriers to her development, and the overall science was sound, especially for the more common issues (such as the metabolic disorders).

These two things combined make it worth watching, I think, especially if someone has family members who could benefit from a low carb lifestyle, but need an external method of persuasion.

I think it did a good job of questioning the assumptions most of us grew up with--that eating low fat is healthy, that we should avoid saturated fat, that things that come from a box are more pure or smartly designed than things that grow from the earth. I say this as someone who came of age spraying I Can't Believe It's Not Butter on her fat-free Lite white bread.

I'm not sure that it successfully made the case that keto is for everyone and actually is a magic pill, but it sure made me question whether low fat is a magic pill for health in America, and also made me more aware of the fact that we all look at health through the lens of being in the post-epidemic era (we're beyond the point of when people die from infections and they now die from chronic conditions caused by lifestyle.) I feel pretty passionately that we should all take more personal responsibility for our own health, and stop expecting medicine to treat conditions we can prevent by being more conscious about what we eat and how we live. No matter what diet we're on.

I took the the title "The Magic Pill" to mean there wasn't any! That's just me I thought the documentary was worth watching.