Long post from a lurker

This is not my first MFP ride, I had great success when I first tried it out in 2013(ish), I lost about 50 pounds and was 'this' close to being under 200 pounds. Then one day I stopped tracking. No reason. It isn't like I thought I've got this and don't need to anymore, or that I thought it was too hard. I just stopped. Bad call. After that I tried now and then half hardheartedly; I'd have a good 2-3 weeks then a bad couple weeks (did everything 'right' and did not lose - at my size that's inconceivable). So I quit.

Of course I dieted before MFP. Did Weight Watchers in the late 90s. I remember being horrified at weigh in - I was 204 pounds. Boy wouldn't I love that today. Though I did have success the approach was annoying (I'm a CICO person, why would I convert food labels to 'points' and the meetings became tedious as people traded 'tricks' on how to eat more and be in their points. I did learn quite a lot though, I learned how amazing fiber is which I'm grateful for but gained back so much more weight than I lost. Then I had a big weight training binge about a decade ago and lost weight but even better put on tons of muscle....weighed 180 but was a size 14 (almost a 12) which taught me how the scale can lie, in the past I was a size 14 but was much lighter on the scale. That muscle weighs more than fat but takes up less room was awesome news! But I had trouble with the food part - it was so structured and rigid and when I got hurt I found another excuse to quit. Because muscle burns more calories (I was eating 2200 calories a day and losing size!) it took a few years to atrophy and gain back the weight. But I did. Which is what got me to MFP in 2013 like I already mentioned.

I suffer from severe anxiety and believe depression. I have tried therapy and had horrifying results (there is a case open with my State to investigate the incident). I will not go back. I know losing weight will not be a magic bullet but I also know how much differently I feel about myself and my reduced fear of humans when I'm smaller. When I was doing MFP in 2013 I was in a group for larger folks and it was a positive aspect for a while before it became a *kitten* show. The organizers/leaders/whatever were tyrannical and judgmental and it was very clicky. I see the group is still there but I am keeping clear.

I don't have a support system. The only family member that had my back passed a while ago. The rest are quite mean, not just unsupportive but actually mean. I've never had an interaction with them where I wasn't picked on or made the butt of the joke. I have had to walk away from them and have had no contact in a few years. Around that time I got divorced and my 'friends' disappeared. I have nobody to interact with outside of when I go to work and even then I'm orbiting other people. I have nice chats now and then but that's about it. I'm extremely private and shy and introverted, I mentioned the anxiety already. It's devastatingly lonely. I exist. I don't live.

So I don't have friends, I don't have family, I have just myself. And I had food.

I cannot help shake the belief that if I don't get my food issues and physical size settled before I'm 50 that I never will. Plus I have to eventually have some surgery to get mobility back (hard to walk at all, cannot do exercising). Losing the weight will help the surgery be successful and the recovery more bearable.

For whatever reason I joined on September 8th. At around the same weight I've joined before, I guess I have an internal point where my brain says please stop? So on Sunday September 8th at 256 pounds I set off on yet another journey. After 7 weeks I weighed in today at 236.4.

Will this be different? I don't know. I hope so.

I've lurked here the last couple of weeks and what I like about this group is there isn't a 'rah rah' automatic response. You all seem to be thoughtful and kind but still honest. I like that. I think you get a gold star for getting through this though. Thanks for 'listening'.
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  • conniewilkins56
    conniewilkins56 Posts: 3,391 Member
    We are always here to listen...I have found this group to be very supportive....I hope you join in and share your journey...everyone has been very kind and all of the topics are very helpful...
  • maiomaio71
    maiomaio71 Posts: 231 Member
    Hello! Welcome! I've found this group amazing. I would have given up ages ago if I didn't have it. Even just lurking you get some great info.
  • merph518
    merph518 Posts: 702 Member
    A belated welcome, since you've been lurking for a while!

    I have family around, but no friends I'd consider close. I've been able to find a lot of support online, both here and in a couple other places. I hope you feel comfortable enough to participate and join in with the community here more, it's been a good resource for me.
  • NovusDies
    NovusDies Posts: 8,940 Member
    Now that you are not a creepy lurker anymore... Welcome.

    Congrats on the progress so far.

    I think the best thing is to avoid trying to answer any big questions and just keep ending most days in a deficit and allow them to answer themselves.

    I am not sure how our brand of support stacks up with other groups but I hope you find what you need here. You seem like a good fit for us... well... assuming we all have time to read your posts. :wink:
  • DogMom919
    DogMom919 Posts: 58 Member
    Welcome to LL....this is indeed a very kind and supportive group...for me, kindness is really important. I think you have come to the right place.
  • Hubzilla
    Hubzilla Posts: 27 Member
    Hi there, Lurker! Jump on in the water’s fine!
  • hansep0012
    hansep0012 Posts: 385 Member
    @FitByFifty1970 - welcome.

    For me, this is a long term commitment to getting to my goal weight and maintaining it for the rest of my life. This translates to me having a stake in our LL community and being a positive influence as best as I can.

    Our LL community is a big part of my support and I enjoy reading the posts and commenting as I have time.

    Pam
  • cheryldumais
    cheryldumais Posts: 1,907 Member
    edited October 2019
    @FitBy_50 you are so welcome here. I have been on MFP since 2015 and I can safely say that the people are amazing but this group is even safer than the other boards. I think @NovusDies deserves credit for his input there. I started out originally at 251 pounds and finally got down to 143. It took me 2 years but I was 59 when I started. I have gained back about 15 pounds of late due to quitting vaping in May but I am on the wagon and working to get back down. Any of us would be happy to listen when you need to talk and to cheer you on when you're struggling. We've either been where you are or are there now and we understand the struggle. It's not the same for someone who only has 20 pounds to lose. No offence to them but it's hard to understand some of the weird and painful things we deal with. Anyway just wanted to chime in that we are glad you're here and that it really is a safe place to share your struggle.
  • FitByFifty1970
    FitByFifty1970 Posts: 127 Member
    Thanks everyone. I'm overwhelmed and grateful for the support. I'll post more at some point.
  • Hubzilla
    Hubzilla Posts: 27 Member

    Now, I did lose focus and gain 200 of my 350 hard lost pounds back for awhile. Why did that happen after 7 years? Like a lot of things in life, I lost sight of what was really important. I started making one bad choice after another. Stress, depression - I just lost focus on the fact that anything I had to face in life, I would be better able to face it healthy.

    I stopped doing the things that had made me successful in the first place.

    Same here for a 100 pounds.
  • FitByFifty1970
    FitByFifty1970 Posts: 127 Member
    SO I guess I'm just 'creepy' now that I'm not a lurker? ;-)

    I have been reading a lot of posts here (you folks are prolific so I will fit in..haha) and what I seem to be drawn to is the lack of 'rah rah' that I mentioned but to clarify it's not that you aren't supportive and encouraging of each other but that is has substance. And you also seem to kick some butt if they need it. I like that.

    Something interesting keeps popping up after binge reading some threads (certainly not all)...very often people will post 'I lost X pounds' and immediately follow it with how much more there is left to go. I know I've been guilty of this and I want to actively stop it. Just ending with the positive. In another group for 200+ pound women (still just lurking there) it is similar. Makes me wonder about the psychology of being large and needing to apologize for it and taking away from our accomplishments.

    On the other hand it hit me quite hard how on the way down we're kinda proud (being under 240) but on the way up we're disgusted with ourselves (omg I'm over 230 pounds, football players weigh less).

    What a mind Eff.
  • Learning to control our thoughts and emotions is such a huge part of long term “permanent” weight loss! The mind is everything!
  • amkita
    amkita Posts: 183 Member
    @FitByFifty1970 I'm not sure if saying how much is left is always a negative thing--it can be helpful in terms of goal setting to think about where you're headed. but yeah, addressing how your brain fits in to the process is important. it can be a struggle to stay positive about what is a difficult, slow process.

    it's definitely interesting though, and now that I'm roughly halfway to my overall goal, I feel like my brain is split more evenly between how far I've come and how much is left, versus feeling more forward focused previously. it feels like a shifting perspective, and though I think I've done a decent job at framing it as positive overall, there have been times that I'm not super jazzed about it.
  • NovusDies
    NovusDies Posts: 8,940 Member
    @FitByFifty1970

    I consider thinking of how much is left as generally negative or at least unhelpful for me. It takes my focus off the tree and puts it back on the forest. For me the tree is the day I am living and the little bit of progress I can make today. I suspect others can deal with it in a different way that is more manageable.

    For me the trick (this time) to some of the less helpful thoughts that pay me a visit is to recognize them for what they are. If I recognize it then I can work to keep myself from dwelling on them or, worse, acting on them.

    Basically some of this is learning more about yourself so you can make less of yourself. Might be nice if I had come with a user's manual.
  • FitByFifty1970
    FitByFifty1970 Posts: 127 Member
    @amkita I should clarify - I didn't mean the 'only X left' as a judgement if that is helpful for people. If using the end goal motivates you - that's awesome and I support it, and you, 100%. If losing sight of the win today and not giving yourself credit because the end goal is barely visible even if you squint super hard then that's my issue with its use. To me, to see it so often in groups where the X is substantial it seemed like a negative. Like 'only' or 'just' (eg I only lost .5 or I just stayed even) - it seems larger folks are apologetic for still being fat.

    @NovusDies - I have had plenty of ex boyfriends and an ex husband that would have paid serious $ for a user manual of me. Thing is, if they merely paid some attention it would all be clear (I'm fairly straight forward). I do know myself but I don't know the 'why' which to me I thought was key to long term real success. But for now I have to accept it simply 'is' and figure it out as I go. You and so many others have created an amazing group - it's unlike the others I've been stalking. I'm grateful.
  • conniewilkins56
    conniewilkins56 Posts: 3,391 Member
    If I knew the “WHY”.... I would bottle and sell it....I have found that lately I do better if I don’t think about how long or when....I am going day to day and some days hour to hour....no one in this group has ever said how easy their journey has been....they just prove that it can be done!
  • NovusDies
    NovusDies Posts: 8,940 Member
    One of the things I have, thankfully, given up is my impatience for answers to the mental part of this deal. I can either figure it out in time or work around it. It is not like I am going to be at goal tomorrow and even if I was there still would be plenty of time. Fat weight doesn't change up or down very quickly.
  • FitByFifty1970
    FitByFifty1970 Posts: 127 Member
    You folks are right and I will have to just accept that I don't know why I am the way I am, that's very unlike me but it has to be done I guess. That will be a hurdle. I cannot imagine not doing that though it will be interesting to try. I think having the massive anxiety issues and a very analytical/logical approach to everything makes me almost need to figure out the puzzle that is me....like I'll find the key at some point to unlock all the answers (I'm almost imagining it's like the novel Ready Player One) but apparently that's not going to happen. What will I do with all the free time if I'm not jumping through mental gymnastics.....
  • NovusDies
    NovusDies Posts: 8,940 Member
    You folks are right and I will have to just accept that I don't know why I am the way I am, that's very unlike me but it has to be done I guess. That will be a hurdle. I cannot imagine not doing that though it will be interesting to try. I think having the massive anxiety issues and a very analytical/logical approach to everything makes me almost need to figure out the puzzle that is me....like I'll find the key at some point to unlock all the answers (I'm almost imagining it's like the novel Ready Player One) but apparently that's not going to happen. What will I do with all the free time if I'm not jumping through mental gymnastics.....

    I think you have to figure out the areas you struggle to work around. In the beginning I had to figure out how to get a better handle on my alcohol moderation. I was moderating it physically by not having nearly as much. I wasn't moderating mentally because I still wanted it more often than I was drinking it. It took some trial and error but I finally realized that the key to me is to allow myself to drink at any time. I am the same way with food. If I say anything is off limits I want it more. If I allow everything there is no internal rebellion and no sense of urgency to eat or drink it. It seems like a latent immature aspect of my personality but I am (mostly) okay with it existing as long as I can work around it. That one key flipped a switch for me and I went from drinking every couple of weeks to going months in between anything.

    On the other hand I don't really worry about cravings. I have a system for weeding out ones that will not linger. Anything that does linger I just plan to indulge. I don't get them that often so I don't really care. I avoid fighting with myself as much as possible. I do not like the odds because it is always 50/50 that I will act in a goal-oriented way.

  • FitByFifty1970
    FitByFifty1970 Posts: 127 Member
    Sorry I have been MIA online - distracting week - been stressing over a job search - been dealing with it for over 2 months and it came to a head and I finally have a verbal offer (written s/b Monday) so I'll give notice sometime this week and then take a few weeks off work totally before I start in 2020 to prepare for a huge challenge that comes with this opportunity. I did purposefully indulge for a few days over the past two weeks knowing it was temporary and logged it all. I gained a pound back when I weighed in last Sunday which I think I've lost over this past week, I'll see tomorrow, it was a lot of sodium filled foods so my body may be excited to retain water for a while longer. It's all good. I did have an unexpected indulge (binge?) yesterday - I REALLY wanted McDonald's so knowing I'd not handle it right I deluded myself that I'd get a double cheeseburger and be done with it...and to nobody's surprise I bought a big mac, qtr pounder, AND a basket of fries....and ate all but half of the big mac. And (TMI warning) spent a LOT of time in the bathroom with tons of cramping and other 'issues' all last night. Logged it all. Interesting experience. Not guilty or anything, after the pain I was in I have no need for guilt, lol. I'll see what the scale says tomorrow but nothing else has changed. I planned and logged out my food for the week, bought only what I need and today was just fine for me. I do make swaps so I'm not forcing myself to have things I don't want but I keep my options limited.

    p.s. - it's truly amazing how much less money I spend on food. Had an egg roll, large wonton soup w/ noodles and it was over $10, had pizza delivered ($22 - tossed what I didn't eat), had Five Guys $20. That McDonald's from yesterday was like $10. Four meals over $60? That's crazy. I buy a bag of frozen stir fry veggies w/ sauce packet at Aldi for $4, add in 2 cups of extra frozen broccoli (entire bag is $1), add in microwave cups of rice ($2 for two cups) and make 2 really large and filling meals for $7.
  • FitByFifty1970
    FitByFifty1970 Posts: 127 Member
    I lost what I gained, another win for basic CICO. I could hit the 25 pound loss milestone this Sunday. Losing 10% of my starting weight is coming soon too. Size 18 suit pants were technically on today (wasn't pretty and luckily my jacket hid the strained waist) so actually fitting in them is coming soon too.

    Sooo here is something......had to do paperwork for a job I'm supposed to start in January. The background check will be done then, not before. But the paperwork requires my height and weight. I put my anticipated weight on my start date (215) rather than not do the paperwork in advance and see what I weigh that morning..... and then lie anyway.....
  • conniewilkins56
    conniewilkins56 Posts: 3,391 Member
    You are doing great...hang in there!
  • FitByFifty1970
    FitByFifty1970 Posts: 127 Member
    TY!!!!!!!
  • FitByFifty1970
    FitByFifty1970 Posts: 127 Member
    I guess I'm using this as a kind of blog. If I'm not supposed to I'll stop, not sure the preferred rules of the group.

    I made a list of every milestone I will hit along my journey. I did list a goal date but that's not as important as the actual date for obvious reasons. I chose pounds lost, % of weight loss goals, and specific scale goals. For example I have lost 20 pounds, and my next few goals are 10% of starting weight lost, 25 pounds, then to be in the 220s. And so on. I really wanted to do by dress size too but that will stress me out. I was a tight 22W when I started in Sept but I cannot really say where I"m at now since every outfit is different. Right now an 18 in a work pant fits fine, an 18 in my jeans is technically on but it doesn't actually fit yet, plus my belly fat distorts things. Then on top I'm making progress but not as much as my pants (was a very tight 22W suit jacket and now a reasonably fitting 20W jacket). So which to track? Plus we cannot spot reduce (sadly, if anyone wants to be an instant gazillionairre you should work on that). So although the dress size matters to me more than the scale I can't use that for milestones to track. It will stress me out.

    BUT (always a but)

    I start a new job in January and will have to buy new clothes. It's business casual for the most part, and I don't have clothes for that. I REALLY want to be not in the plus size. I also won't buy TOO much but since it's a new job it will be more than I want to considering I'll have to rebuy things over and over again. I despise shopping and not because I'm fat, the stereotype of women and shopping never applied to me ever in my life. If I ever were to be wealthy I'd 100% hire someone to just put stuff in my closet that I should wear. I have zero interest in having input into the process.

    Weigh in is tomorrow morning. If I lose 2.2 pounds I hit the 25 pounds lost. If I lose 2.8 I hit that and 10% of my starting weight. If I lose 3.4 I hit both of those and will be in the 220s. But in the end if I lost even .2 of a pound it is still a loss and I'll take it!
  • amkita
    amkita Posts: 183 Member
    I hear you on the new clothes. I was around 22/24 and am currently between an 18/16 for pants. so I don't want to buy anything new that might not fit six months from now. I went to a local thrift store and snagged two size 16 dress pants a few weeks ago, which fit pretty snuggly at the time, but I figured would work for the spring maybe? I might have to try them on again today...

    I'd check out thift stores! they might have fewer items in the 16/18 range, but whatever you find will be less expensive and if they get too big you can always re donate. 😃
  • FitByFifty1970
    FitByFifty1970 Posts: 127 Member
    I have found in the past being size 18 is tricky. Plus 18 is cut too big, regular 18 is too tight. When I've been larger or smaller I had options, at 18 and 16 not so much. A size 14 will help but that's quite some time away from now. I'll put off the shopping until the last minute as usual. I have suits in smaller sizes so I can maybe just buy tops and use the pants (I normally wear sleeveless under my suit jacket).

    I wish I didnt despise it. People seem to enjoy putting their newly slimmed bodies into smaller clothes and the excitement of it all.
  • merph518
    merph518 Posts: 702 Member
    @FitByFifty1970 We don't have any specific rules about what to post where, don't worry about it.

    I know all too well your frustration with clothes sizes. Right now I'm in a 2xl for shirts... I just retired one 2xl shirt this morning for being really baggy on me... yet I have a couple 2xl shirts in my closet that aren't even close to being able to be buttoned yet! It's ridiculous.
  • michne16
    michne16 Posts: 538 Member
    I also belong in the "i hate clothes shopping" camp. I have gone from a 28 to a 14 so I've had to replace my wardrobe in intervals over the past year. I have found that dresses get a lot longer wear than pants so if you have that option, take it. There's a lot of good sales on right now. I am also contemplating buying some pants in too small sizes so that I can buy them cheaply and have them on hand when needed. The only risk in doing this is sometimes inexplicably I jump sizes. It's hard to know when that will happen. I've been very fortunate in that I had a friend give me all of her "fat" clothes that I have been able to supplement my wardrobe. In the plus size arena, try Women Within online. They have reasonable prices, lots of sales, and several basics that you can buy to stretch your wardrobe. Also Amazon. Because I am always in transition and am uncertain about my size it is helpful to order here because if it doesn't work out, then you ship it back for free.
  • dembkogirl
    dembkogirl Posts: 361 Member
    Agree with above on looking at thrift shops to find some clothes for sizes that you anticipate being out of soon. Almost 90% of my winter clothing is from Goodwill, it takes time but I tend to find at least a few cute things everytime I go and when they are $2-3 I don't mind if I grow out of it quickly. Now I will say I do tend to buy my pants new only because it's hard to find the style/size I like in thrift stores.