World Carnivore Month Anyone?
FIT_Goat
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For those who don't already know, there is a small but dedicated group of carnivores on here. And, there are others who have done it in the past and had great results. January is World Carnivore Month. It is a great time to really get serious and establish a new baseline.
How many people would be interested?
We would have check-in threads on here weekly. Where we could all log our progress, NSVs, and other stuff. If you want, there is a private group for those who wish to share with a smaller amount of people.
I can post details in a bit, and answer any questions you may have in this discussion. But, the basic idea is meat and water. No plant foods.
How many people would be interested?
We would have check-in threads on here weekly. Where we could all log our progress, NSVs, and other stuff. If you want, there is a private group for those who wish to share with a smaller amount of people.
I can post details in a bit, and answer any questions you may have in this discussion. But, the basic idea is meat and water. No plant foods.
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Carnivore Credo [Abridged]
I, FIT_Goat, am a strict carnivore. This means that I eat little, to no, plants. All of my energy (calories) and nutrients come from animals or animal products. I believe plants can be used for seasoning and or medicine, but they aren't meant to be used for attempting to meet energy or nutrient goals.
The Basics1) Eat only from the animal world (meat, eggs, high-fat/low-carb dairy).
2) Calories and macros are not important, nor is the number of meals/day.
3) Eat nothing from the vegetable world whatsoever (very small amounts of spices may be added, they are not ‘food’).
4) Drink mostly water, coffee, or tea. Drink nothing sweetened in any way. Alcohol (liquor and wine) may be consumed carefully and at your own discretion.
5) You do not need any supplements of any kind.
How
Eat meat.
Drink water.
Alright, that's easy enough to say, but hard in practice. First, start out simply with a fixed time period, January in this case. Commit to sticking with it 100% for that time period. No cheats, no breaks, no exceptions. Keep track of how you feel.
FAQ- What about the carbs in {eggs, cheese, cream, seafood, etc.}?
Each person is different in regards to this, but most of us do not count anything. This includes carbs from these foods. If I eat a dozen eggs, and I just might, I don't count the carbs. Sure, it's like 7g of carbs, which is over the 5g that most consider the limit for this. I might eat a bunch of liver, which can contain a lot. It doesn't matter. I ignore those carbs. I am a little more considerate about carbs from dairy, but that is because dairy tends to stall me worse than almost everything else. - What about vitamin C?
You don't need it when eating fresh meat. Don't try to live off canned ham, or do something else silly like that. You can cook your meat. I would recommend that you don't cook it to death. But, I do know people who eat almost only well-cooked hamburger and do just fine. - How do you poop?
Uhm, same as you do. I don't need fiber. Things work out just fine with enough fat in your diet. Actually, I experience less problems with constipation and irregularity than before. - But what about the planet?
Pasture restores the soil and is healthy for the earth. Modern agriculture destroys the soil. On top of that, much of the land that can be used to raise meat is unsuitable for growing the monocrops that we think of as "healthy." - Can I drink alcohol?
It is not recommended. If you choose to drink, stick to the low-carb beverages. Most wines are fine and liquors also. - What about artificial sweeteners?
This is a hotly debated topic and people are considered carnivore who end up on both sides of this. My [Goat's] opinion is that a preference for sweetness causes more temptation and a more difficult time succeeding at being a carnivore. For this reason, you really should go cold-turkey and not allow any sweetness. It doesn't matter if that sweetness has a carb or calorie count attached to it. I saw no sweeteners at all would be ideal. After that, the sweeteners that are not sugar-alcohols would be second best. Sugar alcohols frequently do contain carbs that affect blood sugar. But, all sweet things keep the cravings for sweet things alive.
I confess, I do sometimes allow myself a diet cola (usually when eating out). But, it is very rare, because I do find that I am more tempted by carbs after I have been drinking diet cola. - How do you not go over on protein?
First, I don't count protein. So, I don't go over. If you do track protein, you won't really find it changes much at all.
Say you have a goal:- 100 grams of protein
- 147 grams of fat
- 20 grams of carbs
- (1800 calories a day)
This is roughly 73% / 22% / 5% and is pretty typical.
You cut those vegetable carbs out. Now you need to make up 80 calories? Where do you get 80 calories? How about a large egg?
You're now at:- 106 grams of protein
- 153 grams of fat
- 0.6 grams of carbs
- (1800 calories a day)
Your protein macro barely changed at all! And, we haven't even considered that the vegetables probably contributed some protein.
Spinach nutrition found online:- 20 grams of protein
- 0 grams of fat
- 20 grams of carbs (30 grams - 10 grams of fiber)
The 20 net carbs from spinach probably had 20 grams of protein in there with them. That is 80 calories of protein and 80 calories from carbs. Swap those 160 calories for 2 eggs, what have you done?
2 eggs nutrition:- 12 grams of protein
- 12 grams of fat
- 1.2 grams of carbs
Swapping the spinach for 2 eggs brings your macros to 79.3% / 20.4% / 0.3%... that's even better than before. You've reduced the actual amount of protein you're eating!
**[Package of pictsweet frozen spinach that had nutrition label of 0 grams fat, 3 grams carbs, 1 gram fiber, and 2 grams protein used for the above calculations] - What about the cost?
Per calorie, low-carb vegetables are horrible on your wallet. A quick google says that a pound of frozen spinach will get you about 140 calories. You're doing really good to get that for $1. I think the generic at my local store is around $2 for a pound or it might be 12 oz. How many calories can $1 of eggs get you? Well, let's pretend that eggs are not on sale and cost $3 a dozen. Even at this inflated price, you're getting 280-320 calories per dollar. That's less than half the price per calorie! I can usually get eggs for $2 a dozen when not buying them in bulk and almost as cheap as $1.50 a dozen when buying 5+ dozen at a time. Don't think of it as a "volume of food" consideration. By volume, low-carb friendly vegetables are cheap. But, by nutrition and calories, they're very expensive. My food expenses went down when I stopped buying vegetables.
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We would be up for this but we've found our body can't quite do it. When we did a month of strict carnivore we ended up with unbearable constipation.
For now we're about 90% carnivore... that's a guesstimate but on average we only consume 50 - 60 grams of raw spinach per day, and mainly use it as a garnish to meat. In fact when we look at the MFP 'reports' under carbs, the first non-meat entry is cayene pepper, after eggs, bacon, & chicken wings.
So, we're following along with interest, but don't feel we 'qualify' to participate.1 -
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I’m in, ready for a challenge and will be very interested to see my results this time around.
I’ve been mostly carnivore up to Christmas (which totally derailed me but never mind). So I was eating plants 1-2 times a week but sticking to meat eggs and dairy the rest of the time.
I’ve actually had issues with full carnivore before, I kept struggling with really low energy problems, I must have tried about six times! I suspect it was down to just not eating enough since my mostly carnivore experiment went very well and I really doubt I was eating enough plants to give me a significant amount of nutrition.
So here goes, let’s see what happens.0 -
Looks like it will be a small group of us. I'll post a follow up thread in a week. We can use this one for stuff this week.2
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I'm toying with the idea. No coffee though?!?!0
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You can drink coffee. I would just be careful not to drink coffee instead of eating, when hungry.2
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Oh and sorry, somehow I missed the point about water, coffee or tea the first time.0
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There are people who are super strict, no coffee/dairy/spices/etc. but that is mostly when dealing with health issues and not just weight loss.0
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I’ve come down with a cold and had to take a day off work today as I’ve been feeling so ill but am very proud of myself as I haven’t used it as an excuse to eat any of the left over treats from Christmas sitting in my kitchen!
I had plain Greek yogurt for breakfast, crispy bacon and cheese for lunch and my appetite seems to be returning this evening so I am now cooking up some sausages, more bacon and a cheese omelette. So I’m doing comfort food carnivore style!
Not an ideal day food wise, ideally I would want some variation in meats but ok considering I’m not feeling well and haven’t wanted to eat much all day. Drinks have been black coffee and water with a slice of lemon, I’m assuming the lemon is acceptable.1 -
Yep, I'm in. To be sure I was doing it somewhat wrong before as I was ingesting large amounts of artificial sweeteners, i.e. diet sodas, and too much alcohol, which are both eliminated now. Of course I am keeping with my coffee, if somewhat diminished as I USED to put a lot of sweetener and fake creamer in it. As this is day 3 I am still somewhat craving the junk, but I'm making it.
I look forward to the month, and the group activities. Carnivore on!1 -
I have been busy the last couple days. My mom has been car shopping and she finally finished. Then she gave me her old car, so I had to go and get that registered and insured. Then do a bunch of errands. It is not a new car, by any means, but it replaces my 2002.3
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I’m Keto typically under 20 net grams of carbs per day that’s mostly meat but I do eat cheese, broccoli, cauliflower and occasionally a salad. I also really like Coffeemate SugarFree Hazelnut creamer + MCT oil in my coffee with this I’m also mostly OMAD. Some say the calories in my coffee is a second meal but it works for me where I’m not hungry until dinner. This diet has been great for stabilizing by BG but I was thinking of trying a week or maybe stretch to a month of eating nothing but meat just to see how it feels. Maybe just eat a steak once a day plus my coffee concoction. It may not qualify as carnivore but I think I’ll give it a try for at least a week. Maybe if that works I’ll cut the coffee creamer and MCT oil, as unimaginable as that seems right now.2
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That would be cool, except people would keep trying to come up and get my meat.1
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Add me to the list. Actually started carnivore three weeks ago and really enjoy it. Mainly eat eggs, hamburger, and rib eyes. One Diet Pepsi with lunch at work. Still waiting to see any results with weight loss, as well if my aching joints improve.1
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A heavy leg day always seems to show up on the scale the next day, for me. I knew it would be rough today, because my legs were like jelly yesterday evening. Tomorrow will probably be worse, physically, but today it showed up on the scale.1
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Man, what is it about the new year that brings out the phony experts. If I have one more person message me (usually on reddit) about how their diet should be considered zerocarb (when it isn't), I am going to lose it.2
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I fell off the wagon over the weekend, I was soooo sick it was awful and when my boyfriend offered some veggies it sounded so nice. It was the kind of veggies I like, which isn’t many as I hated them most of my life, so I caved. Three days later.......spent this morning in agony with the usual stomach cramps I get when I eat too much fibre. Sigh. I’m feeling better now though and eagerly back on the wagon, will carry on a bit into Feb so I get the full month. I need a plan of what to eat when I’m sick.0