Living The Lifestyle, Monday, September 14, 2020
88olds
Posts: 4,540 Member
We meet here to explore, share, celebrate and (sometimes) agonize over how we do (or don't) incorporate weight loss guidelines into our daily lives. "It's a lifestyle, not a diet" is easily and often said, but sometimes not so simply put into practice.
This is a thread for everyone. If you're new to GoaD, or to weight loss, your questions and comments are always welcome. If you're maintaining, or a long-term loser, your thoughts on the topic may be just what someone else needs to hear. If you're reading this, join in the discussion!
Each weekday, a new topic is offered up for discussion.
Monday - 88olds (George)
Tuesday - whathapnd (Emmie)p
Wednesday - misterhub (Greg)
Thursday - Wild Card!!!
Friday - imastar2 (Derrick)
Today's Topic: Fighting the noise.
When I started WW somehow I came to the conclusion that for my initial 3 month WW experiment I was going base my efforts solely on what WW said unless overruled by my Dr. First thing I noticed was how much diet and exercise advice just seemed to be floating around in my space. Mass media is loaded with it. Eat this, don’t eat that. Run a marathon. No, go for a walk. No, swimming is best. Add to that it seems that everyone has an opinion. And is willing to share it. I found it was a relief to be able to tune stuff out.
How do you cope with the diet and fitness noise? Do you even notice it? Does it distract you? Do you find yourself pulled this way and that? If you’ve found a reliable source for diet and fitness info and advice, what is it?
This is a thread for everyone. If you're new to GoaD, or to weight loss, your questions and comments are always welcome. If you're maintaining, or a long-term loser, your thoughts on the topic may be just what someone else needs to hear. If you're reading this, join in the discussion!
Each weekday, a new topic is offered up for discussion.
Monday - 88olds (George)
Tuesday - whathapnd (Emmie)p
Wednesday - misterhub (Greg)
Thursday - Wild Card!!!
Friday - imastar2 (Derrick)
Today's Topic: Fighting the noise.
When I started WW somehow I came to the conclusion that for my initial 3 month WW experiment I was going base my efforts solely on what WW said unless overruled by my Dr. First thing I noticed was how much diet and exercise advice just seemed to be floating around in my space. Mass media is loaded with it. Eat this, don’t eat that. Run a marathon. No, go for a walk. No, swimming is best. Add to that it seems that everyone has an opinion. And is willing to share it. I found it was a relief to be able to tune stuff out.
How do you cope with the diet and fitness noise? Do you even notice it? Does it distract you? Do you find yourself pulled this way and that? If you’ve found a reliable source for diet and fitness info and advice, what is it?
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I remember when I started med school, periodically I'd learn something that was directly in conflict with some "common knowledge" that I had taken as dogma. A key part of my training, then, was learning about critically-reading the literature, understanding the ins and outs of various research approaches and results, and paying close attention to "evidence based" medicine. Medicine is an interesting field, because sometimes there is no answer, and yet decisions still need to be made and treatment plans developed. Medicine taught me to use the available evidence, but not to become paralyzed by a lack of information, and to always consider the risks/benefits.
My PhD training, was similar in some ways but very different in other ways. A key similarity was critical reading of the literature, and approaching all published work (in the "real" scientific literature) with a healthy dose of skepticism, and then forcing a paper to "prove" its conclusions to me. One area where PhD training is different from MD training is that the PhD side of things refuses to simply believe something because it seems to make sense (generally, no life or death decisions need to be made acutely on the PhD side of my brain). Thus, I tend to be more of a skeptic when I approach any source of information.
All of this training has really helped me filter out the noise that you mentioned. I basically take all news, fitness or diet information that's on websites and blogs, as mostly false. If there's something that's really important to me, then I'll dig out the primary literature to see just how strong the evidence is. Most diet and exercise scientific literature is not highly-rigorous, and so leaves a lot of room for improvement. Even the dogmatic statements that are out there ("you need to drink 6-8 glasses of water a day for good heath") are not well-founded. So, I tend to ignore most of what's out there in the popular literature.
I note that it doesn't help that a "big and famous" nutrition researcher, Brian Wansink, resigned after findings of scientific misconduct by his institution and some retractions of his work from the primary literature! Of course, I assume/hope that this is a mostly-isolated instance, though.1 -
I just follow Steve0’s advice.
No, seriously, I don’t have time to research every weight loss method, theory or dogma.
Since joining WW and finding GoaD possibly a decade ago, I discovered that I had believed my share of weight loss myths. GoaD put those to rest.
Also, I tend to listen to people on GoaD that are long timers with a proven track record and appreciate those who do have the expertise or skills in research that I lack. Not everyone can know everything or even implement it to perfection.
Most other sites are a wasteland or worse, a minefield.0 -
I fact check "research" in the media, how many participants, way of reporting, and conclusion methodology. After digesting that I'll make my decision on facts, and my own knowledge. Might not work for everyone, but seems to work for ME.
As to the "what to eat/what not to eat" I rely on my Dr.'s practice dietician, but still check against what works for me. Anyone want my share of kale?1 -
Pretty much what @MASSRUNNER_FRANK said. 😊
If/when new theories on health/weight loss topics come out, I do try to read critically including who sponsored the research, sample size, length of study, peer reviewed, etc. These days, I find myself reading more about building blocks of good health (e.g. adequate sleep, regular exercise, etc.) than I read about weight loss. I feel like getting a handle on those things will do the most for me in controlling CICO. Inflammation is another interesting topic but one that is fraught with a lot of bro science.0 -
First thing I noticed when I really started paying careful attention was how much stuff I had internalized from advertising. It was disturbing. Just 20 min per day 3 x per week and you’ll have the bod of this fitness model who trained for months and hasn’t eaten in a week to get ready for this shoot.
Also, there was a bunch of stuff I had gotten from other people. Often just casual remarks. Men need at least 2000 cals per day ya know.
Now if my head is turned by clickbait I try to track down the research if I can get at it. Over time I’ve found that the MSM restatement of the research either exaggerates or misrepresents the actual findings. Sometimes they take the findings and stand them on their head.0 -
I'm struggling to get my thoughts in order, so I'm sure this is going to be a bit disjointed, but here goes ...
I grew up with a mom who was often on a diet. Fortunately, she was a calorie watcher, believed in portion control and ate a nutritionally balanced diet, so my diet info foundation was sound.
When I joined WW, there were Good Health Guidelines, and the reasons behind them seemed sound, so I bought into them, and still generally follow them (except dairy), not as a magic formula, but as good healthy eating.
This go round, I've followed the purple plan, and have really embraced the high fiber, low carb, lean protein diet that it supports, and I'm really liking eating this way! And I feel better. Maybe that's one of the best tests as to whether diet guidelines are sound.
As for the noise, all the latest and greatest, I tend to be very skeptical. Sometimes I'll try some new idea, if it fits with what I believe, just to keep my interest. Most recently I've been trying to do the intermittent fasting. The benefits sound great, and if they aren't really what is being touted, I don't see the harm. And it does keep me from snacking, so that's a plus! When other people. I've also tried fad diets, but they were always short-lived. And when others tell me about a great new pill/program/book/diet, I smile, act interested, and promptly forget it. WW has worked for me when I stay consistently OP, so that's good enough for me.0 -
I pretty much tuned out the chatter right off the bat. When I first started WW I was extremely limited as to any physical exercise till I could get some weight off. When I began to drop I discovered that I was losing as much weight as others that were sweating and working so hard with exercise to lose weight. Of course it was all about getting in your cardio that was the most important thing about exercise that I realized at that point.
I actually today don't pay hardly any attention to the ads and the greatest, latest, new machine ect;. So I really don't have a good source at this point. Since my age and health challenges have come about I'm more or less taking advice from 1. My Nutritionist and 2. Going to the rehab center except that they were slow to open after covid-19 lol.
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