Winter Training Setups

TheBigYin
TheBigYin Posts: 5,686 Member
edited October 2024 in Social Groups
Just had 3 days of constant rain here, I'm a keen cyclist, but I'm not 'that' keen... So, I've taken the opportunity to spend a little time getting my new toy sorted. Last week I purchased a new turbo-trainer - the Tacx Bushido, and all the computer gubbins to turn it into a fancy VR trainer, just to fight the drabs in the depths of winter. The Trainer hardware is great - works stand-alone, doesn't need any mains power, so could conceivably use it for pre-time-trial warmups etc, in carparks/laybys, but with the addition of one little USB dongle and some clever software it links to the laptop and allows all sorts of fancy tricks...

Problem is, the clever software isn't all that clever "out of the box" and it's taken me 5 evenings of patching the software, scouring the support forums for tips, and loading different video codec's etc. to get a system that works.

But - yesterday - i had a bit of a Woo-Hooooo moment - managed a 20 mile ride, mapped on Google Earth in real time as I rode it, with authentic up and downhills as taken from the Garmin 705 tracklog i'd recorded of the ride last summer - even had my real-life ride along as a virtual companion to see how i was going... The resistance on the Bushido seemed pretty close to authentic too, maybe a little tougher on the up-gradients, and of course, you can't freewheel on the downhills - but if I'm on the turbo trainer, I want to be training, not feewheeling anyway...

Next step is to paint the end wall of the workroom in some white eggshell paint, and get that video projector i've still got from my time as a on-the-road computer systems trainer put to good use... Grrrrr.... Cyclists Man-Cave anyone :laugh:
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  • broadsword7
    broadsword7 Posts: 411 Member
    Holy cow BigYin! When you do it, you do it right! I have not yet begun to fight, as once said, when it comes to setting up my training environment. I don't think my setup is going to be anywhere near what you have, but hopefully, it will do.

    - I am going to get either a Kinetic trainer or one made by Giant (my LBS sells them both).
    - It's going to be right smack dab in my living room (I live alone, with cat, so the only thing I have to worry about is her getting caught up in the rear wheel while I am on it, so I am going to be VERY careful and maybe even keep her in a different room while I am on it).
    - I have a large screen TV, so I am going to be watching a lot of bicycling workout vids, starting with the one I downloaded yesterday on a suggestion from fellow MFP cyclist zoom2: http://www.thesufferfest.com/video-sufferfests/a-very-dark-place/

    Keep on chooglin!
  • TheBigYin
    TheBigYin Posts: 5,686 Member
    Well - I think I mentioned it before, but I had a bit of a windfall - last year I had what I considered a "deadbeat" client - stiffed me for best part of £2000 worth of work. Now, as it was all my time and labour, rather than anything contracted out, or goods supplied, I pretty much wrote it off at the end of the year... 3 weeks ago, comes a remitance advice in the post, informing me that the sum had been paid in full, direct into my bank, with a real nice letter thanking me for my patience, and explaining that my not chasing for the money, was pretty much the only thing that had saved the guy's company from going bankrupt!

    Anyway - after advice from my accountant, I put the taxmans share away, bought christmas presents for the rest of the family, and decided that the best present I could get myself was something that would help me get properly fit. I'm still too fat and unfit to be spending money on a flashy bike, I'm losing weight too quickly to spend money on clothes, so, the logical thing seemed to be to get something that could keep me on the bike even if there's snow on the ground for a couple of months again this year!

    I'm looking forward - if that's the right term - to having a crack at some of the Real-Life Videos for the Tacx - may even get the chance to climb the Alpe-D'Huez in the comfort of my own home...

    just to put things in scale though - my best upgrade on the bike this week has been the purchase of a pack of neodymium magnets - 10mm x 1mm - just small enough that one will stick to the back of the pedal spindle. That way I can loose the big clunky magnet on the pedal crank that operated the garmin's cadence sensor. Total expenditure £2.99 for a pack of 20 of the little blighters :laugh:
  • broadsword7
    broadsword7 Posts: 411 Member
    ...just to put things in scale though - my best upgrade on the bike this week has been the purchase of a pack of neodymium magnets - 10mm x 1mm - just small enough that one will stick to the back of the pedal spindle. That way I can loose the big clunky magnet on the pedal crank that operated the garmin's cadence sensor. Total expenditure £2.99 for a pack of 20 of the little blighters :laugh:

    Hmm (I think, while casting a suspicious eye to the original magnet on my crank for my Garmin cadence sensor). 1mm. I need to find a USA vendor. :)
  • TheBigYin
    TheBigYin Posts: 5,686 Member
    well - the 1mm ones work well with my setup - which is Ultegra cranks and Pedals - the 1mm magnet sticks to the pedal spindle at the back, and pretty much comes flush to the level of the crank. My reasoning for going with the 1mm's was, if one wasn't enough, I'd stick 2-3 back to back until it worked... though in fairness, one of the lads at the LBS (local bike shop) had already done this trick, and said one magnet was plenty :laugh:
  • zoom2
    zoom2 Posts: 934 Member
    ...and decided that the best present I could get myself was something that would help me get properly fit. I'm still too fat and unfit to be spending money on a flashy bike, I'm losing weight too quickly to spend money on clothes, so, the logical thing seemed to be to get something that could keep me on the bike even if there's snow on the ground for a couple of months again this year!

    I like the way you think! :drinker:
  • TheBigYin
    TheBigYin Posts: 5,686 Member
    When I get down to my target weight, I'll be happily ordering the Carbon DeRosa and all the Campag Record trimmings, but at the moment, the extra 5lb of bike makes very little difference in the bigger scheme of things.
  • zoom2
    zoom2 Posts: 934 Member
    When I get down to my target weight, I'll be happily ordering the Carbon DeRosa and all the Campag Record trimmings, but at the moment, the extra 5lb of bike makes very little difference in the bigger scheme of things.

    That's how I feel. A rather douchey guy I know was going on and on about how my bike should have "better" wheels (I have Mavic Aksiums). He's a weight weenie. He fails to realize that losing the 20 extra #s off my *kitten* would go a lot further than new wheels or carbon water bottle cages or an upgrade in components... I only upgraded from aluminum to carbon in the past year for a frame more suitable to my riding style and for a material to dampen the chip-seal road buzz better. Weight was just a bonus.
  • broadsword7
    broadsword7 Posts: 411 Member
    When I get down to my target weight, I'll be happily ordering the Carbon DeRosa and all the Campag Record trimmings, but at the moment, the extra 5lb of bike makes very little difference in the bigger scheme of things.

    That's how I feel. A rather douchey guy I know was going on and on about how my bike should have "better" wheels (I have Mavic Aksiums). He's a weight weenie. He fails to realize that losing the 20 extra #s off my *kitten* would go a lot further than new wheels or carbon water bottle cages or an upgrade in components... I only upgraded from aluminum to carbon in the past year for a frame more suitable to my riding style and for a material to dampen the chip-seal road buzz better. Weight was just a bonus.

    Ah, good ol chip seal. Miles and miles of it on a ride this year got to me even with my carbon frame. Oh the feeling of finally getting off 15 miles of rough chip seal onto a smooth paved surface (with a tailwind).

    But I gotta admit, I love the carbon zipp cages on my main road bike. The decision to get em wasn't weight though, I was looking for something better than the cheap ones I had that felt clunky when I grabbed my bottles. With the zipps I feel like my camelbak bottles come out easier when I grab them but also securely stay right where I want em when I put em back. But...I will see how good they do with a metal bottle for winter riding. Jury's still out because I haven't ordered one yet.
  • TheBigYin
    TheBigYin Posts: 5,686 Member
    :laugh: if only it was just 20lb I needed to get off...

    From my profile... used to be in my signature, before MFP killed them...

    Mini Goals:
    SW - 397.7lb - 23rd July 2011
    Mini Goal 1 - 350lb - Achieved 27th September 2011
    Mini Goal 2 - 315lb - under way
    Mini Goal 3 - 280lb - hey, 20 Stone is a landmark to me
    Mini Goal 4 - 238lb - recommended max weight for Campag. - Buy a DeRosa c/w Record 11
    Goal weight - 210lb - back to my fighting weight..

    The ticker is currently counting down to Mini Goal 2 by the way.

    I reckon I've a good 12-15 months to save up for that DeRosa :laugh:
  • zoom2
    zoom2 Posts: 934 Member
    But I gotta admit, I love the carbon zipp cages on my main road bike. The decision to get em wasn't weight though, I was looking for something better than the cheap ones I had that felt clunky when I grabbed my bottles. With the zipps I feel like my camelbak bottles come out easier when I grab them but also securely stay right where I want em when I put em back. But...I will see how good they do with a metal bottle for winter riding. Jury's still out because I haven't ordered one yet.

    I have plastic Elite Custom cages on all of my bikes and have found those to be my favorite. They aren't fancy, but they are lightweight and I never drop bottles, anymore. They grip my bottles well, but they aren't hard to remove. I had a real time with the cheap metal ones I originally had. Elite Custom makes carbon ones that look identical, but I can't imagine that the weight savings over my plastic ones is worth the added $$.
  • sillygoose1977
    sillygoose1977 Posts: 2,151 Member
    I am searching for a trainer right now if you guys have any tips. I would love the set up BigYin was talking about but I think I will just settle for a good trainer. I am very determined to keep the endurance I have gained this past season. I know nothing is the same as being on the road but I need to keep my *kitten* on the seat all winter. Question: Do you log your trainer miles the same as you would log road miles?
  • TheBigYin
    TheBigYin Posts: 5,686 Member
    Well - one of the better budget end turbo trainers is the Tacx Speedmatic - it's been pretty well reviewed in a few of the UK and european bike magazines. Solid build and reasonably quiet, 10 resistance levels you can select on the resitance brake (plus you can obviously use the gears on the bike to make it easier/harder) It's also got a reasonable size of flywheel effect, to smooth out your pedalling a bit - like your momentum does on the road - and it rolls down for a fair while - 17 seconds from full sprint in the bike test I'm looking at now - which again is good - theres nothing worse on a turbo trainer than it stopping 2 seconds after you stop pedalling - at least a 17 second roll-down will allow you to sit up, wipe your face, and grab a swig from the bottle, before getting back to pedalling again. :laugh:

    On a slightly higher budget the Kurt Kinetic's are pretty popular too, but anymore money and you're into the realms of silly setups like mine - a complete and admitted indulgeance - but what the hell - i've lost 70lb in the last 4 months and I felt like treating myself!!!

    One more thing - don't forget to budget for a proper trainer tyre - they're a harder, more heat resistant compound than road tyres and you WILL fry normal road tyres in a matter of a few sessions. Oh - and DON'T ride the trainer tyre on the road either, or you'll fall off and break something. If you're going to set up the trainer in a normal room, you may also want to consider a trainer mat to go under the trainer and bike, to prevent spoiling your floors/carpet with flecks of rubber from the tyre / dust-dirt from the bike/ pools of sweat dripping from you...

    My advice would be to try and borrow a trainer from someone, just to see if you get on with it - if you do - fine - buy a good one, and get those miles in. If you don't - well - you could always spend the money you save on some spinning classes...

    It's definitely not like riding on the road, in some ways it's a LOT harder - mentally tough to do anything more than a hour on one of them - and physically, as you really do not stop pedalling for the duration you're on the trainer - unless you spend £1000's on one of the motorised ones that will actually "freewheel" you donwn the hills... why you'd want to do this I'm not sure tbh - if the trainers "doing the pedalling" you're just sitting there - and I'd far sooner be sat in a comfortable chair, than perched on my bike with the sweat drying on me. I certainly have no qualms about booking my mileage and calorie burns on the trainer - if anything my Garmin reckons that mile for mile, I probably burn 10-15% MORE on the trainer than out on the road - and that's with the old trainer setup, before this fancy current one :laugh:
  • sillygoose1977
    sillygoose1977 Posts: 2,151 Member
    Thank you so much! The kinetic trainers scare me a little. I am not the most graceful person and I can see myself wrecking in my own home. I will invest in a tire and also a new rear skewer. I heard the trainers are hard on them as well. I will probably just have to get the best available trainer on craigslist and of course I will keep on with my spinning classes just out of love for them.
  • bsexton3
    bsexton3 Posts: 472 Member
    Thank you so much! The kinetic trainers scare me a little. I am not the most graceful person and I can see myself wrecking in my own home. I will invest in a tire and also a new rear skewer. I heard the trainers are hard on them as well. I will probably just have to get the best available trainer on craigslist and of course I will keep on with my spinning classes just out of love for them.

    Be sure what you get used. My trainer looks similar to new, but it has many, many thousand miles on it. They don't take much wear on the outside, but I am in the process of deciding how to replace it. I have had a CycleOps magnetic for about 6 winters now. Worked well, just worn out.

    Also, I do use my street tire on it, and it has been fine. it is my cross bike though, so the tread is a thicker.
  • zoom2
    zoom2 Posts: 934 Member
    I always use an old tire on the trainer...something that has enough mileage that it's been retired.
  • TheBigYin
    TheBigYin Posts: 5,686 Member
    main reason I said to use a trainer specific tyre was what happened when I used a old Michelin Pro-Race 3 on my previous trainer - a Cateye CS1000 - about 10k into a workout, the ride felt a little "bumpy" - I stopped and checked, and the tread was coming off the carcass like a snake shedding it's skin... fair enough, it was an old-ish tyre - probably had 2k on the road wear, and they are lightweight race tyres, but for the cost of a trainer tyre, I'd sooner not risk it.
  • fatboypup
    fatboypup Posts: 1,873 Member
    When I get down to my target weight, I'll be happily ordering the Carbon DeRosa and all the Campag Record trimmings, but at the moment, the extra 5lb of bike makes very little difference in the bigger scheme of things.

    That's how I feel. A rather douchey guy I know was going on and on about how my bike should have "better" wheels (I have Mavic Aksiums). He's a weight weenie. He fails to realize that losing the 20 extra #s off my *kitten* would go a lot further than new wheels or carbon water bottle cages or an upgrade in components... I only upgraded from aluminum to carbon in the past year for a frame more suitable to my riding style and for a material to dampen the chip-seal road buzz better. Weight was just a bonus.
    how do you like that wheelset i was looking at it
  • zoom2
    zoom2 Posts: 934 Member

    That's how I feel. A rather douchey guy I know was going on and on about how my bike should have "better" wheels (I have Mavic Aksiums). He's a weight weenie. He fails to realize that losing the 20 extra #s off my *kitten* would go a lot further than new wheels or carbon water bottle cages or an upgrade in components... I only upgraded from aluminum to carbon in the past year for a frame more suitable to my riding style and for a material to dampen the chip-seal road buzz better. Weight was just a bonus.
    how do you like that wheelset i was looking at it

    Seems fine to me. Better than the lower-end Shimano wheels on my previous bike (and I busted a spoke on those after only 3k miles or so). They spin...seem to work fine.
  • broadsword7
    broadsword7 Posts: 411 Member
    Got a Giant Cyclotron Fluid Comp trainer today and have it set up in the living room. My local bike shop guy gave me a good deal on one. He sells Kinetic also but with the deal he gave me on this one, I couldn't pass it up. One thing I am noticing, though, is standing seems kind of funky, as opposed to standing on a spin bike. Standing using my trainer just seems like I still do not have it in the hardest gear, even though I do. I have talked to a couple friends who say the same thing, so I suppose it's just the way it is with a bike trainer. At any rate, I am very pleased. With spin class, plus this, plus mountain biking (when I FINALLY get out there), I should be in decent shape for the springtime riding.

    Here is the trainer: http://www.giant-bicycles.com/en-us/gear/product/cyclotron.fluid.comp.trainer/555/36919/
  • bethlikesbikes
    bethlikesbikes Posts: 69 Member
    I have a Kurt Kinetic trainer. I really like the fluid trainer and it's not very loud. I don't know if you guys do any training dvds while you ride, but if you're looking for a series, I highly recommend Robbie Ventura's Real Rides. He has ones structured to develop climbing, speed, power, etc. And he films out on the road and you can even participate in a virtual race, which is a nice break from the Spinnervals and Carmichael training programs. My husband and I both got a lot stronger/faster last year.
  • bethlikesbikes
    bethlikesbikes Posts: 69 Member
    I've tried several dvds and I tend to get bored with the standard coach with the clipboard telling me to shift up. Robbie Ventura helps you find your target training zone at the beginning of each workout, which is nice. I agree, just aimlessly pedaling the trainer burns calories, but does little to build/maintain fitness. Good luck!
  • TheBigYin
    TheBigYin Posts: 5,686 Member
    That's one of the reasons I bought the setup in the original post - can't handle just grinding out miles in a airless room working to a schedule on a clipboard. I find it far more motivating to spend a hour doing hill intervals chasing Robert Gessink and Denis Menchov up the side of a mountain in spain... Of course the slightly demoralising bit is because you're watching a video, you never actually catch them, but hey - i've never caught anybody on a proper uphill in my life anyway, so I'm used to that :laugh:
  • TheBigYin
    TheBigYin Posts: 5,686 Member
    Quick update - I've got a little closer to completing the training setup. Decided that the wall on which I was going to use the projector needed re-skimming and smoothing out, before finishing the "projector screen" setup. This section is now re-plastered, dried out thoroughly, and it's had three good even coats of white emulsion. I've a can of projector screen paint which is slightly reflective, which I'm going to apply the first day where the weather's dry enough and warm enough to leave the garage door open while the paint dries!

    The Projector is now mounted up on the ceiling of the garage, out of the way and all the cables installed for the video side of things - still haven't got the place wired for sound other than a portable ghetto blaster - I'll try and rig some form of amplifier/speaker setup to get things rocking and rolling...

    I've given it a couple of rides over the weekend, and It's pretty good - I get around a 9 foot wide display which when you are 4 foot away from it gives a pretty immersive experience... problem is, I keep trying to lean the bike into the corners when flying down from the Col du Galibier :laugh:

    Good news is that Tacx seem to have come up with an update to the software, which now allows me to use the same HRM chestband with the trainer AND my Garmin 705 at the same time. So - I can use the Garmin to provide an actual mileage ridden (from the magnet on the rear wheel rather than GPS) and with the HRM details and pedalling speed, it provides me with a consistent figure for calories burned etc. The Trainer also uses the same HRM details to display on the screen (wall!) for me, and can provide prompts to speed up/slow down/try harder you fat git... based on HRM and power output (ie power dissipated by the brake)

    If it rains tomorrow, I guess i'll be back on the trainer - I think that I'll have a go at some hill-climbing practice, maybe the Stelvio Pass - 13.14miles of 6.4% sounds like a absolute Hoot!!
  • CDGolden
    CDGolden Posts: 343 Member
    WOW......that sounds like quite the set up, you need to put up a picture once the whole setup is good to go.

    I am suck with a stationary mag trainer or rollers in the garage with the door open and some music.
  • Ant_M76
    Ant_M76 Posts: 534 Member
    I bought a TACX Sirrius last winter and have used it all of 3 times since! Just can't stand the boredom of a turbo. I must admit I would like to have a go on one of the flash VR ones though :) Hill reps of Ventoux, before breakfast on a Sunday morning anybody? :sick:
  • TheBigYin
    TheBigYin Posts: 5,686 Member
    WOW......that sounds like quite the set up, you need to put up a picture once the whole setup is good to go.

    I am suck with a stationary mag trainer or rollers in the garage with the door open and some music.

    :laugh: all there is to see is a blank white wall and a posh turbo-trainer pointing at it... It may sound a bit over the top, but to be honest, I'm using a old laptop machine that's been upgraded from, and a portable video projector, that I used to use when I was out on the road delivering training. The rest of it is pretty much down to not having a partner to complain at me that i've taken over the garage with all my stuff and they can't park their car in there :laugh:

    In fairness - the garage has been more of a workshop / darkroom / photo studio / bike storage area rather than somewhere for the car to live since I moved in here.

    Only real extravagant part was the purchase of the Bushido, rather than one of the simpler bits of kit, but I just KNOW that without something extra to motivate me, if we get another 2 months of snow/icy roads this year like last year, I'm going to veg out, and start putting weight back on again - and that CAN NOT HAPPEN!!!
  • TheBigYin
    TheBigYin Posts: 5,686 Member
    I bought a TACX Sirrius last winter and have used it all of 3 times since! Just can't stand the boredom of a turbo. I must admit I would like to have a go on one of the flash VR ones though :) Hill reps of Ventoux, before breakfast on a Sunday morning anybody? :sick:

    Haven't got the Ventoux RLV, but could always do the 2010 Etape video - last 123km of the actual ride - Col de Marie-Blanque 1035m, Col du Soulor 1474m & the epic hors category Col du Tourmalet 2115m. I reckon it's something like 8+ hours of trainer time for me...
  • cloggsy71
    cloggsy71 Posts: 2,208 Member
    I don't know if you guys do any training dvds while you ride...

    This one will be good/hard, I bet!

    http://www.bikeradar.com/news/article/video-3lc-cycling-training-dvds-ft-mark-cavendish-first-look-32601
  • sillygoose1977
    sillygoose1977 Posts: 2,151 Member
    I finally have my trainer set up and rode a while last night. I know to be effective, I need a training video but there are so many! I have been looking at a lot of them but I have no idea which one to try. They are more expensive than regular workout dvd's so I really don't want to buy one just to find out it sucks. Any more recommendations?
  • TheBigYin
    TheBigYin Posts: 5,686 Member
    I finally have my trainer set up and rode a while last night. I know to be effective, I need a training video but there are so many! I have been looking at a lot of them but I have no idea which one to try. They are more expensive than regular workout dvd's so I really don't want to buy one just to find out it sucks. Any more recommendations?

    It might be easier for people to recommend something if you could give some Idea of what kind of workouts you're looking for - are you looking for something that's high intensity intervals - or something that's good to pass a couple of hours of base level tempo riding - or do you really want to work on climbing power - or - something that's good for all that...

    Have a look on http://www.turbotraining.co.uk/ - there are loads of different training plans, for specific types of workouts, and a "player" that will tell you how hard you should be going, what gear/resistance/pulse rate/power outputs etc.

    If your doing a short, high intensity workout, you don't necessarily need a video - you'll probably going too hard to see the screen clearly anyway... Fancy rigs like mine tend to come into their own if you're stuck riding the trainer for 2 months due to the weather.
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