Child removed from home for being named Adolf Hitler
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Do you think the children should have been removed?
http://www.foxnews.com/us/2011/10/26/baby-hitler-parents-lose-custody-kids-even-though-judge-says-no-abuse/
Parents who named two of their children "Adolf Hitler" and "Aryan Nation" lost custody of all three of their children Thursday, even though they say a New Jersey appeals court found no evidence of abuse, ruling the children have been taken away without cause, MyFoxPhilly reports.
“Actually, the judge and DYFS told us that there was no evidence of abuse and that it was the names. They were taken over the children's names,” Heath Campbell told NBC 10 Tuesday.
However, the appeals court ruled last year that sufficient evidence of abuse or neglect existed because of domestic violence in the home, and removed the children from their Philipsburg, N.J.home.
In protest, Heath and Deborah Campbell picketed with three other people outside of child services offices in Flemington, N.J., Tuesday, saying that the state has no right to keep their children away from them now that the court allegedly ruled that the kids were taken away without cause, NBC 10 reports.
The case originated after the local ShopRite refused to decorate a birthday cake for the son, Adolf Hitler Campbell, and reported the incident. Adolf and siblings JoyceLynn Aryan Nation and Honszlynn Hinler Jeannie have been in foster care since then.
In January 2009, the Campbells told MyFoxPhilly that Adolf Hitler Campbell is just like any other 3-year-old boy.
"It's not like he's growing up to be a killer or nothing like that," Deborah Campbell said.
"I went to just to get a cake... it was a circus of racism," Heath Campbell added.
At the time both parents acknowledge the hate behind their children's names. But say that was not their intention.
"This is America, they say it's free, you have the right to name your child whatever you want to name your child, no matter what," Heath Campbell said.
The parents say that a judge will decide by early December if the kids will eventually come home.
http://www.foxnews.com/us/2011/10/26/baby-hitler-parents-lose-custody-kids-even-though-judge-says-no-abuse/
Parents who named two of their children "Adolf Hitler" and "Aryan Nation" lost custody of all three of their children Thursday, even though they say a New Jersey appeals court found no evidence of abuse, ruling the children have been taken away without cause, MyFoxPhilly reports.
“Actually, the judge and DYFS told us that there was no evidence of abuse and that it was the names. They were taken over the children's names,” Heath Campbell told NBC 10 Tuesday.
However, the appeals court ruled last year that sufficient evidence of abuse or neglect existed because of domestic violence in the home, and removed the children from their Philipsburg, N.J.home.
In protest, Heath and Deborah Campbell picketed with three other people outside of child services offices in Flemington, N.J., Tuesday, saying that the state has no right to keep their children away from them now that the court allegedly ruled that the kids were taken away without cause, NBC 10 reports.
The case originated after the local ShopRite refused to decorate a birthday cake for the son, Adolf Hitler Campbell, and reported the incident. Adolf and siblings JoyceLynn Aryan Nation and Honszlynn Hinler Jeannie have been in foster care since then.
In January 2009, the Campbells told MyFoxPhilly that Adolf Hitler Campbell is just like any other 3-year-old boy.
"It's not like he's growing up to be a killer or nothing like that," Deborah Campbell said.
"I went to just to get a cake... it was a circus of racism," Heath Campbell added.
At the time both parents acknowledge the hate behind their children's names. But say that was not their intention.
"This is America, they say it's free, you have the right to name your child whatever you want to name your child, no matter what," Heath Campbell said.
The parents say that a judge will decide by early December if the kids will eventually come home.
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Not that I agree with their incredibly poor choice of names (They obviously are very racist) but if there is no actual abuse happening in this home, than this is setting a VERY dangerous precedent.
Just being named after someone who was infamous or evil does NOT give the government the right to take you from your parents. That is totally overstepping their authority.0 -
Ehhhhh while the name choices of a child don't constitute the kids being removed from the home, I'd question the mental stability of the parents who would choose to do that to those poor kids.0
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If there was truly no abuse at home, the courts didn't have this right. Sounds like they are looking for excuses to go after these parents. That being said, as much as will defend these idiots rights to name their children what they want, you do not name kids Adolf Hitler or Aryian Nation or whatever and not be trying to make some kind of statement. They could have easily made the case that Adolf was just a name that he liked, but Adolf Hitler. They picked that name for a person, and the last time I checked no one named their children after a person they hated. So in closing, yes they have the right, just don't blow smoke up about my butt about that they aren't trying to turn heads with those names.0
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yeah the names are pretty awful. But I do feel the government is overstepping here.0
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Dreadful names.
And with those names I'd have to wonder what other activites the parents might be involved in.
However without proof of such things....
No reason they should have been taken from their parents.0 -
Without sufficient evidence of abuse no I dont' think the court should take the children but a big HOWEVER, the parents should have to rethink the names of these children as it will affect their children emotionally, mentally, and physically to grow up with these names. I am sure they are gonna get their butts kicked a few times at least, and that's not fair to any child. But if it happens the parents better not complain.0
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yeah the names are pretty awful. But I do feel the government is overstepping here.
I agree.0 -
Without sufficient evidence of abuse no I dont' think the court should take the children but a big HOWEVER, the parents should have to rethink the names of these children as it will affect their children emotionally, mentally, and physically to grow up with these names. I am sure they are gonna get their butts kicked a few times at least, and that's not fair to any child. But if it happens the parents better not complain.
I totally agree the parents are setting their kids up for a world of crap. I used to know a guy named Butterfly he was teased horribly for it,and thats not nearly as bad.0 -
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These parents have issues. I'm sure the poor choice in names is not their only one. I would hope the government would not remove children just because of their names, though.0
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. I used to know a guy named Butterfly he was teased horribly for it,and thats not nearly as bad.
Butterfly? Poor guy!0 -
thats like the boy that was taken from his mom for being obese..yes wrong choices not bad parent0
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thats like the boy that was taken from his mom for being obese..yes wrong choices not bad parent
Eh...I don't feel that that's an adequate comparison. If we're thinking of the same child, then I believe health professionals warned that kid's mother that by not providing adequate nutrition, it was a health risk, and she chose to ignore them, and the boy just kept getting bigger and bigger. At least, that's the story that is immediately coming to my mind. If you're referring to a different story, my bad.
I don't think the child should be removed from his home...but I think that the fact that they deliberately named their child after such a public figure with such horrific acts tagged to that name...I think they should be made to change the child's name. Is it right for people to bully a kid because of his name, something that he did not choose for himself? No. Is it okay to inflict harm upon him for his name? No. Is it okay to be hateful towards this child? No. But let's face it--those parents set him up just for that. How many parents will want their child to socialize with Adolf Hitler? How many people will even take this child seriously, as he gets older? They're basically ensuring that he gets made fun of and never taken seriously, and while that's not PHYSICAL abuse, it's definitely bordering on abuse in other ways, IMO.0 -
Wow! That is really tough! It sounds like some caseworker somewhere got all emotional about this and yanked the kids without doing their homework. I'm sure a psych evaluation on mom and dad would have been sufficient. Now, this whole thing is going to turn into a circus and these kids will inevitably go back home to continue their upbringing in hatred. It is really a sad sad sad situation!0
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"However, the appeals court ruled last year that sufficient evidence of abuse or neglect existed because of domestic violence in the home, and removed the children from their Philipsburg, N.J.home."0
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"However, the appeals court ruled last year that sufficient evidence of abuse or neglect existed because of domestic violence in the home, and removed the children from their Philipsburg, N.J.home."
Well crap. I guess I should have read this particular article. :laugh: I remember the story from before, and that part wasn't mentioned. Good call!0 -
"However, the appeals court ruled last year that sufficient evidence of abuse or neglect existed because of domestic violence in the home, and removed the children from their Philipsburg, N.J.home."
I read that too! But I also read where a judge decided yesterday that there was no cause to believe that the children were abused.0 -
"However, the appeals court ruled last year that sufficient evidence of abuse or neglect existed because of domestic violence in the home, and removed the children from their Philipsburg, N.J.home."
I read that too! But I also read where a judge decided yesterday that there was no cause to believe that the children were abused.
Well, it mentions abuse OR neglect... so perhaps the children were not being cared for adequately. Also, if it was a domestic violence situation, it could be a very negative and dangerous environment for the kids.
The name alone is not reason to take the kids... unfortunately for the kiddos, their parents can give them a horrid name like that.... but as someone else said above, if they are loopy enough to name a child Hitler, I would not be surprised to hear there are additional problems in their home as well.
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I personally have a friend who I think has "abused" her children by giving them the names she did. No, they aren't offensive to me or anyone else, but they are horrific in my eyes and I feel that it will cause the children mental anguish and abuse growing up and going to public schools, especially considering all 4 boys are pasty little, toe-headed or ginger squirts. Do I think her kids should be taken away? NO!!!
....what were the names?0 -
I'm not sure if the name itself is abuse, but I have to wonder if these parents had their child's best interests in mind when they chose the name.0
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Do you think that in Germany the name Adolf is no longer used?
Yes. It's beyond rare to have an Adolf under the age of 65.
The only source we have for there 'being no evidence of abuse' is the parents. Due to privacy laws we wont get the outcome. But generally children aren't taken and kept for no reason.0 -
Personally they could just rule that naming your children those names are a form of child abuse. Permanent as well. They needed more to actually do something though. Maybe put the parents through psychological tests and stuff to find something. You can't just take the kids because of a bad name.0
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