Protein Deficiency for Vegetarians

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Hi Veggies :)

Well, a few months ago, I read a book and the author (who was not a vegetarian himself :)) argued that advertised protein intake of humans is way too much. One can get enough proteins from fruits and vegetables :huh:
He further argued that look at the biggest animals on the planet e.g. elephants, they are vegetarians as well. :bigsmile: Reasonable?

Any ideas/discussions whether we can trust it?

I further read an medical journal that said that there are medical evidences that human body do not use more than 30 grams of protein intake...

What's your gut feeling about protein now?

Either way, if we want to stay in the middle as well, I really fail to choose food groups that can make 1g protein per lb of lean mass.

Any ideas/thoughts/suggestions/criticism are most welcome...

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  • charcharbec
    charcharbec Posts: 253 Member
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    I have actually talked to a friend of mine who is a Vegan as I was transitioning to vegetarian.... we do get plenty of protein... nuts and greens... especially spinach has loads of it. Or black beans... nom. We have plenty of places to get protein. Remember the food industry regulates a LOT of what information is out there.... they regulate the FDA too... with enough money you can regulate what you want. :)
  • charcharbec
    charcharbec Posts: 253 Member
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    I personally don't drink Milk (especially because of what they put in it and how they go about getting it) but Almond Milk is just as good... Coconut Milk has more sugar but its yummy too. But def. It's interesting my friend posted up a video on Facebook today about the paleo diet which is a diet that consists of "raw foods" including meat (but that's cooked) but they sell CRAZY supplements with it. If you look at Vegan and Veg websites they don't sell supplements. Coincidence? I think not.
  • Bentley2718
    Bentley2718 Posts: 1,690 Member
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    The World Health Organization puts a lot of work into figuring these things out (for pretty obvious reasons). I also feel like they're perhaps less subject to the lobbying efforts of the meat and dairy industries, which I worry about with US FDA recommendations (I'm from the U.S. so that's my governmental reference). There is a detailed report here http://whqlibdoc.who.int/trs/WHO_TRS_935_eng.pdf with a table on page 87 for ratio of protein calories to total calories for adults and children of different ages and body sizes. My reading is their recommendations are all under 10% of calories from protein. Most vegetables and whole grains easily make this mark. Although you have to be careful, because added fat upsets this balance pretty quickly. For example, if you're sauteing vegetables in oil (which isn't bad in moderation), the oil adds a lot of calories, and no protein.

    On a personal level, I don't always make the best choices. I eat veggies and whole grains, but I also eat a LOT of fruit (I eat almost no eggs or dairy). Just to be sure, I take an essential amino acid supplement, and, when I'm active (which is most of the time) I supplement with concentrated rice and pea protein. This has less to do with being vegetarian, and more to do with activity level though. My husband who is an omni does the same. It seems like I get stronger, faster, and am less sore with the added protein, but it might be the placebo effect too. I'm sure I could do this without the supplemental protein, but it allows me to keep up my bad fruit habit.

    As for the 1g of protein per pound of lean body mass, I personally have very little idea what my lean body mass is, and my understanding is that estimates are either costly or error prone.
  • Aaloo79
    Aaloo79 Posts: 105
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    Thanks rkorduner,
    And believe me, I am not thinking of you as a Conspiracy Theory Enshusiasts :D NOM.

    I think you are right....
  • Aaloo79
    Aaloo79 Posts: 105
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    Thanks Mellisant

    Thanks for sharing the link... It looks like a pretty interesting read... Will get back to you after reading this.
  • M3CH4N1C
    M3CH4N1C Posts: 157
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    Without sharing any links or quoting any authoritive sources. I think that just based on common sense that our bodies can synthesize needed proteins from natural sources of chemical compounds found in a vegetarian diet. I know some true lifelong vegetarians that are some of the strongest and healthiest people I know. As far as being deficient i don't buy into it for a minute. Protein deficiency scares are seemingly part of an agenda. I am glad you have created this group. I am not a vegetarian but would like to become one as I have incorporated natural healthy foods into my diet. I mean it's not easy to even make that transition. But I am making a conscious effort.
  • queenmedusa
    queenmedusa Posts: 247 Member
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    I think a healthy balance of protein and carbs - especially for those of us who exercise - is essential. Protein helps us keep fuller for longer, therefore we eat less and this enables us to lose weight. Making sure that we have protein gives our bodies the ability to build muscle, which burns more fat, which makes our bodies lean and sexy. You shouldn't only eat protein or only eat carbs, you should eat both. The problem with the vegetarian diet (and I've been a veggie for 21years) is that it's too easy to rely on the 'easy' protein sources that take no effort - nuts and cheese. Beans and pulses take effort and that's why a lot of veggies don't eat them, the issue being that the easy sources are high in calories and fat and the other sources are normally low fat and lower cal!

    Ideally any dairy we consume should be organic because the cows are grass-fed and not full of pesticides / herbicides / hormones that corn-fed cows are subjected to. Admittedly this isn't possible for everyone but the more organic food we get into our vegetarian diet the healthier we'll all be.
  • dsnoey
    dsnoey Posts: 23
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    I appreciate your thoughtful posts Queenmedusa!
  • Tall_E
    Tall_E Posts: 182 Member
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    I was a vegetarian for two years in my twenties, back in the dark ages of the mid 1970's, but gradually gave it up because it was very difficult in those days and I didn't have the personal strength to keep it up. I fully returned to it three and half years ago in my fifties after gradually giving up animal products until I just wasn't eating them anymore. The 'protein question' has been around as long as I can remember & I've read lots of 'research' and opinions about it as they've changed over the years - and changed they have. I agree with Mellisant about trying to find objective sources for info that don't have a financial agenda and with queenmedusa that balance/choosing the right proteins is key. I personally found John Robbins' books, especially his later ones, to be great sources for understanding this whole issue.
    In most of the United States today we are lucky to have more great options than ever before for proteins from plants (soy, rice and almond milks, a huge variety of greens, tofu and other soy products, sprouts, beans, nuts, diverse grains, and more) and we can easily meet all our protein needs this way. It does take some work to figure out what we need individually, especially if we're exercising. But then I'm guessing folks who join the vegetarian club are generally people who are not choosing 'easy'...
    Thanks for having this group!
  • Aaloo79
    Aaloo79 Posts: 105
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    One Interesting calculation though :)

    Following is the list of typical protein content by calories for these group of food items:
    e.g. if a food has 2 grams proteins (4x2=8 calories, each protein gram has 4 calories) and total calories in the food item is 100, then it has 8%)

    Fruits 5-10%
    Vegetables: 15-50% (e.g. 50% in Spinach)
    Grains 15-20%
    Semi Skimmed Milk : 16%
    Lentils and Beans : 30%
  • chocolateluvr80
    chocolateluvr80 Posts: 64 Member
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    I actually get more protein in my diet since becoming vegan than I did when I ate meat.
  • Bootzey
    Bootzey Posts: 274 Member
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    15 years and never a day protein deficient