Religion should be kept out of sports

ninerbuff
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edited October 2024 in Social Groups
I tire when I hear, "First I'd like to give thanks to my lord and savior...............blah blah blah" What the hell are they thanking for? That their team was "favored" by their god? Or that somehow divine intervention played a part?
I can't wait for a Muslim player to say "thank allah" or and Atheist say "Thanks to the Flying Spaghetti Monster", when they get spot lighted.


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  • ShapeUpSidney
    ShapeUpSidney Posts: 1,092 Member
    I always think it's annoying when athletes thank God for their success on the court, field, etc...

    I guess I could understand being thankful that no one was injured, but really...
  • adrian_indy
    adrian_indy Posts: 1,444 Member
    It's arrogance masked as humility. Even if I was a believer, with everything going on with this planet, praying for any deity to help you throw a ball is just a little......ridiculous. You're a 6'4", juiced up He-Man with a laser arm, what else do you want from your creator you selfish *kitten*?
  • Regmama
    Regmama Posts: 399 Member
    Well, I don't have a problem with it, but then again I thank God for everything good and bad in my life.
  • HeidiMightyRawr
    HeidiMightyRawr Posts: 3,343 Member
    I'm an atheist with no interest in religion at all, yet don't really see the issue with this.
    Yes, it does seem ridiculous to me and probably many other non religious people, that somebody's God could somehow help their team to win the game, but that's what they believe so I don't really think anything of it. I don't think of it as annoying.

    What would annoy me is if their religion is brought up in a way that interferes with the actual sport and how it would usually go about.
  • katatak1
    katatak1 Posts: 261 Member
    I'm agnostic and I don't really have a problem with people thanking their god for whatever victory. It's a much better application of religion then, say, being hateful towards people who don't share your beliefs.

    That being said, when I played sports in school (and I was Christian then), I absolutely hated it when my coach would pray before a game. It made absolutely no sense to me, and I though it was insensitive considering one of my teammates was Hindu, and another was Muslim.
  • LuckyLeprechaun
    LuckyLeprechaun Posts: 6,296 Member
    If all things are pre-ordained, and whatever the outcome is going to be has already been decided, then what is the prayer, either before or after, supposed to do? Make God change his mind? This makes no sense.

    I like the attitude of "thanking God for my abilities" (like Tebow has been quoted) but the idea of "Dear God, please let us win this game" is so absurd to my way of thinking.....

    Upon what criteria would God decide? If both teams are equally praying for victory, how would he choose? Who has the better jerseys?
  • mommared53
    mommared53 Posts: 9,543 Member
    I think if religion should be kept out of sports then they probably shouldn't have Christians in sports. When someone becomes a Christian, that's part of who they are now. They shouldn't be expected to set that part of themselves on a shelf (so to speak) at certain times because acting like a Christian may offend someone.
  • adrian_indy
    adrian_indy Posts: 1,444 Member
    I'd like to make an addition to my previous statement. I just stated my obvious distaste at what I consider the stupidity of praying publicly or for sports. But as for the title of "Religion should be kept out of sports", I do not agree. By law, religion should be kept out of government. It has the right to be anywhere else. If a sports team all consent to hold a mass on the side lines, I'm not going to tell them what they should and should not do, I am not an authority figure or their boss. But I claim the right to disagree and boo their prayer in public. I probably won't, but I could.
  • Bahet
    Bahet Posts: 1,254 Member
    I think it's funny. When they pray before the game then thank God for the win I always want to say "Yea, God used His time to help you win instead of curing cancer. Thanks a lot @$$hole."
  • macpatti
    macpatti Posts: 4,280 Member
    I posted a topic in the Christians Unite group with my thoughts on this. I do not like athletes praying to God for a win, nor do I like them thanking God for the win. A win for athletes is about making money, and in my opinion, it is not appropriate to ask God for money. If Tebow wants to thank God for the gift he's been given, if he wants to thank God that he gets to do something he loves every day and get paid for it, that's one thing. What makes a Christian on the winning team any better favored by God than the Christian on the losing team? It just doesn't make sense to me and I find it just another example of some Christians making all Christians look like nut jobs.
  • FearAnLoathing
    FearAnLoathing Posts: 4,852 Member
    I think it's funny. When they pray before the game then thank God for the win I always want to say "Yea, God used His time to help you win instead of curing cancer. Thanks a lot @$$hole."

    maybe he had a bet going
  • ShapeUpSidney
    ShapeUpSidney Posts: 1,092 Member
    What makes a Christian on the winning team any better favored by God than the Christian on the losing team? It just doesn't make sense to me...

    What makes a Christian who won the lottery any more favored by God than the Christian who's barely scraping by?

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  • Mad_Dog_Muscle
    Mad_Dog_Muscle Posts: 1,251 Member
    I'd love to see an athlete say "I want to thank Buddah for the win. I rubbed that little fat b*stards belly, took a hit of the hookah, and ......... I forgot where I was going with this".... :smokin: :smokin:
  • macpatti
    macpatti Posts: 4,280 Member
    What makes a Christian on the winning team any better favored by God than the Christian on the losing team? It just doesn't make sense to me...
    What makes a Christian who won the lottery any more favored by God than the Christian who's barely scraping by?

    It doesn't. That's why it bothers me to hear people pray for material things (money, a win, a new car, etc).
  • VeganInTraining
    VeganInTraining Posts: 1,319 Member
    But is an individual player choosing to thank God for whatever it is they thank Him for really "religion in sports?" No, it's the individual, if someone thanking God annoys you then that's fine, but it's freedom of speech.

    Like others have said, I don't think that God choses who wins the game, He's busy with other stuff. However, in high school we always prayed for safety, and were encouraged NOT to pray for a win, but just safety and a God honoring attitude. When I watch sports I just watch the game and none of the other stuff, so I don't really know what most athletes say, but I personally do thank God for the ability to play sports, when others can't and I suppose that if I were a professional athlete I would also thank God for giving me my athletic ability. So I guess what I'm saying is if they are attributing the win to God then I don't like it but it's "freedom of speech" but if they are just thanking God for their abilities then why not? I thank God for the very air I breath!
  • mikajoanow
    mikajoanow Posts: 584 Member
    I don't care when they say it, I do on occsion roll my eyes when they say it. Suuuuure God ignored those 18,000 children that starved to death today but was very concerned about who won the college football game.
  • ninerbuff
    ninerbuff Posts: 49,469 Spam Moderator
    But is an individual player choosing to thank God for whatever it is they thank Him for really "religion in sports?" No, it's the individual, if someone thanking God annoys you then that's fine, but it's freedom of speech.

    Like others have said, I don't think that God choses who wins the game, He's busy with other stuff. However, in high school we always prayed for safety, and were encouraged NOT to pray for a win, but just safety and a God honoring attitude. When I watch sports I just watch the game and none of the other stuff, so I don't really know what most athletes say, but I personally do thank God for the ability to play sports, when others can't and I suppose that if I were a professional athlete I would also thank God for giving me my athletic ability. So I guess what I'm saying is if they are attributing the win to God then I don't like it but it's "freedom of speech" but if they are just thanking God for their abilities then why not? I thank God for the very air I breath!
    Which then brings up having a "gift from god" debate. So god chooses who can have great ability? That others are favored over others? Wouldn't this also be true then that people who are afflicted with disease from birth are also chosen by god to have it?


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  • katatak1
    katatak1 Posts: 261 Member
    Which then brings up having a "gift from god" debate. So god chooses who can have great ability? That others are favored over others? Wouldn't this also be true then that people who are afflicted with disease from birth are also chosen by god to have it?

    You really should google "why does god hate amputees." I think you would thoroughly enjoy it.
  • macpatti
    macpatti Posts: 4,280 Member
    Which then brings up having a "gift from god" debate. So god chooses who can have great ability? That others are favored over others? Wouldn't this also be true then that people who are afflicted with disease from birth are also chosen by god to have it?

    Everyone has a gift. Some can sing, some can dance, some can play an instrument, some can play a sport, some can touch people's lives in ways other can't. You can't say that people afflicted with disease aren't gifted in their own way. You cannot say what purpose each human has. Our lives shouldn't be given worth based on what "gifts" we have.
  • ninerbuff
    ninerbuff Posts: 49,469 Spam Moderator
    Which then brings up having a "gift from god" debate. So god chooses who can have great ability? That others are favored over others? Wouldn't this also be true then that people who are afflicted with disease from birth are also chosen by god to have it?

    You really should google "why does god hate amputees." I think you would thoroughly enjoy it.
    Know it well.


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  • ninerbuff
    ninerbuff Posts: 49,469 Spam Moderator
    Everyone has a gift. Some can sing, some can dance, some can play an instrument, some can play a sport, some can touch people's lives in ways other can't. You can't say that people afflicted with disease aren't gifted in their own way. You cannot say what purpose each human has. Our lives shouldn't be given worth based on what "gifts" we have.
    So a child who is born mentally ill and needs constant 24 hour surveillance because they can't eat, use the bathroom, speak or write, nor care for themselves has some special gift to give? Working for a Wellness Center, I get to see patients of cancer, leukemia, mental illness and disability and have to believe that a "real god" who supposedly "loves" humans would let this happen. Especially to innocent children.
    As for you last line, people say all the time "that person is wasting god given talent/gift", so though it shouldn't be even many a christian does.


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  • BrettPGH
    BrettPGH Posts: 4,716 Member
    We all know I'm an atheist. I do not believe in the existence of a God. But if there is a deity who cares about Earthly affairs and intervenes on our behalf the man is clearly a Steeler fan.
  • ninerbuff
    ninerbuff Posts: 49,469 Spam Moderator
    We all know I'm an atheist. I do not believe in the existence of a God. But if there is a deity who cares about Earthly affairs and intervenes on our behalf the man is clearly a Steeler fan.
    Or a Broncos fan..................:laugh:


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  • BrettPGH
    BrettPGH Posts: 4,716 Member
    You'll get yours on Monday! The 49ers are clearly in league with the devil!
  • macpatti
    macpatti Posts: 4,280 Member
    So a child who is born mentally ill and needs constant 24 hour surveillance because they can't eat, use the bathroom, speak or write, nor care for themselves has some special gift to give? Working for a Wellness Center, I get to see patients of cancer, leukemia, mental illness and disability and have to believe that a "real god" who supposedly "loves" humans would let this happen. Especially to innocent children.
    As for you last line, people say all the time "that person is wasting god given talent/gift", so though it shouldn't be even many a christian does.

    Yes, all humans have worth and a gift. I'm not suggesting to even know what that gift is. I just believe each human's life has a purpose. I, too, know many people with disabled children, physically and mentally and some who have lost a child. They do not feel their child's life is not a gift to them, just as their other children's are. If you believe that this life is all there is, I can see being pissed. But, for those who believe, it is easier to handle the struggles and sufferings of this life.

    When most people say "that person is wasting God given talent", they usually mean that person is really gifted at something that could bring some good to this world, but decided against that path.
  • Bahet
    Bahet Posts: 1,254 Member
    Yes, everyone has a gift. Hitler was a great public speaker and full of charisma. My friend whose baby died 2 weeks after being born got the gift of debilitating grief that ended her marriage and made her too dang afraid to ever have kids again. Great job God. I guess of the "all knowing, powerful, and loving" qualities He supposedly possesses we can cross "loving off the list. He can't be all 3.
  • LuckyLeprechaun
    LuckyLeprechaun Posts: 6,296 Member
    Yes, everyone has a gift. Hitler was a great public speaker and full of charisma. My friend whose baby died 2 weeks after being born got the gift of debilitating grief that ended her marriage and made her too dang afraid to ever have kids again. Great job God. I guess of the "all knowing, powerful, and loving" qualities He supposedly possesses we can cross "loving off the list. He can't be all 3.

    IMHO, I cross off "all powerful" from your list. I believe God does not interfere at all in human affairs. If he were to meddle, then we don't have free will, do we? We're just puppets playing out a predetermined show. Free will means we are on our own. Things happen, and based on our perspective, we label them as good things or bad things, and life goes along. I see God as a spectator, not as the guy running things.
  • ninerbuff
    ninerbuff Posts: 49,469 Spam Moderator
    IMHO, I cross off "all powerful" from your list. I believe God does not interfere at all in human affairs. If he were to meddle, then we don't have free will, do we? We're just puppets playing out a predetermined show. Free will means we are on our own. Things happen, and based on our perspective, we label them as good things or bad things, and life goes along. I see God as a spectator, not as the guy running things.
    Free will in religion doesn't exist. There's an either or an or. Either you believe in god and "live forever" or don't believe and "die a horrid life". HMMMMMMMMMMMMM. Sounds more like a forced ultimatum.
    Free will should be: believe in god and get his goods, believe in allah and get his goods, believe in flying spaghetti monster and get awesome meatballs. Now you have free will to make a choice and not be coerced by some "death" sentence by a ruling egotist.


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  • VeganInTraining
    VeganInTraining Posts: 1,319 Member
    But is an individual player choosing to thank God for whatever it is they thank Him for really "religion in sports?" No, it's the individual, if someone thanking God annoys you then that's fine, but it's freedom of speech.

    Like others have said, I don't think that God choses who wins the game, He's busy with other stuff. However, in high school we always prayed for safety, and were encouraged NOT to pray for a win, but just safety and a God honoring attitude. When I watch sports I just watch the game and none of the other stuff, so I don't really know what most athletes say, but I personally do thank God for the ability to play sports, when others can't and I suppose that if I were a professional athlete I would also thank God for giving me my athletic ability. So I guess what I'm saying is if they are attributing the win to God then I don't like it but it's "freedom of speech" but if they are just thanking God for their abilities then why not? I thank God for the very air I breath!
    Which then brings up having a "gift from god" debate. So god chooses who can have great ability? That others are favored over others? Wouldn't this also be true then that people who are afflicted with disease from birth are also chosen by god to have it?


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    It's not that they are "favored" per-say, it's just the way they were born. But if the athlete who is thanking God for their ability is a Christian and therefore lives by what the bible says, it says "be thankful in EVERYTHING" so it is not a matter of God choosing to make one person an athlete and give someone else MS or some other disease, it is about being thankful for everything.
  • MisterDubs303
    MisterDubs303 Posts: 1,216 Member
    I'm a believer, but I agree that it is somewhat annoying. I also agree with many of the points earlier in the thread against it. Still, I don't find it nearly as annoying as people whining and complaining about it, and not even remotely as annoying as people who constantly make the point that a pound of muscle weighs the same as a pound of fat, as if they are the keeper of the chalice of common sense, especially when anyone with any common sense can clearly see that the people asking the questions are already taking volume into consideration.
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