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Taking pot shots at someone for the things they hold special and sacred is sh!tty, imho. I don't find the beliefs Mormons hold to be reasonable. I'm not about to become a Mormon. But every Mormon I have ever met has been warm and accepting and loving towards me. And I know how seriousy they take the "magic underwear" referred to.
Just as it is offensive to a Muslim to say "diaper head", this comment was equally rooted in intolerance.
Dems pride themselves on how tolerant and accepting of others they are. That doesn't line up with the comment above. That's what I was commenting on.
I don't think anyone called him a derogatory name. But at the same time, yes, I do roll my eyes at the idea that some Muslims believe that they have 25 times greater of a chance of their prayers being answered/heard if they are wearing the turban. I do have to admit though, it doesn't have the same funny quality as magic underwear though. It must be my inner five year old.
I have to say, I really don't mind slaughtering sacred cows or in the very least poking at them with a stick on occasion. While I used to debate regularly on religion, I now keep it to, religion and how it affects politics. LDS dumped tons of cash to deny gays the right to marry in California. Even Mitt Romney himself believes that only a man of faith should be able to lead the country and I can't snicker at his magic underwear? pfffft I am an unapologetic equal opportunity offender.0 -
I'm not a liberal I'm a moderate. And making a joke does not = intolerance. You should learn the definition of intolerance because I don't think it means what you think it means. I make Polock jokes all the time. Ditto redneck jokes. I'm a Polock married to a guy from a family of rednecks.Even his magic underwear isn't going to get him elected.
I'm kind of hard to offend. But this was a sh!tty comment. Not very tolerant or accepting of others, for a bloody effing liberal, huh?
I laugh at atheist jokes and I am an athiest. People take their BS way too serious. FTR If I were a Republican I would have supported Huntsman who is also a Mormon.0 -
Resorting to tactics offensive like that have no place in a respectful conversation and debate. I give no credence to people who want to make jabs like that.
Is it worse than suggesting that someone has an impoverished world view lol I am cracking up...0 -
making a joke does not = intolerance.
if you say you were joking, I have no reason to question it, except, I can read.
Please. Own it. I'd have more respect for that than the mewling "oh I was only joking" backpedal.
Own what? The false opinion of someone I don't know who formed a judgement of intolerance against me based on 1 sentence? Seriously??? The fact that you don't find something funny doesn't make it some serious offense. You're not that important.0 -
In my opinion, when I say an atheist has an impoverished worldview, I'm using that term to mean "lacking something", or "empty of something". To me, if a person doesn't believe in God, they're lacking something beautiful. I've never ridiculed atheism and I've always debated respectfully. I do not use racial slurs nor do I make fun of someone's religion, culture, or race.Is it worse than suggesting that someone has an impoverished world view lol I am cracking up...0 -
One sentence? You made fun of someone's religion and you just admitted that you tell racial and ethnic jokes. And now you're telling another human being that she's not that important. Perhaps we have a "false opinion" of you being intolerant, but your words on here are contradicting that.Own what? The false opinion of someone I don't know who formed a judgement of intolerance against me based on 1 sentence? Seriously??? The fact that you don't find something funny doesn't make it some serious offense. You're not that important.0 -
In my opinion, when I say an atheist has an impoverished worldview, I'm using that term to mean "lacking something", or "empty of something". To me, if a person doesn't believe in God, they're lacking something beautiful. I've never ridiculed atheism and I've always debated respectfully. I do not use racial slurs nor do I make fun of someone's religion, culture, or race.Is it worse than suggesting that someone has an impoverished world view lol I am cracking up...
I don't normally like to talk religion but this is going to make me come out and say something.
I find this "pity" worldview of atheists to be really offensive. In fact, I pity those who are still hung up on religion who miss out on truth, knowledge, and the liberation of knowing this life is precious and worth living at every single moment as it is the only one you get. I also find it incredibly liberating to know that this life is not some huge test to see if I get to burn forever or not. I am free to live my life as I see fit. I am also not morally lacking and believe in charity, kindness of heart, and living to be a person of quality who cares and loves others.0 -
Where did I ever say that I "pity" anyone? Where did I make the claim that an atheist is lacking in charity, kindness of the heart, or that they are not people of quality who care and love others? Sorry, but you're getting offended by something you've heard elsewhere. I don't need YOUR pity, though. I'm good.I find this "pity" worldview of atheists to be really offensive. In fact, I pity those who are still hung up on religion who miss out on truth, knowledge, and the liberation of knowing this life is precious and worth living at every single moment as it is the only one you get. I also find it incredibly liberating to know that this life is not some huge test to see if I get to burn forever or not. I am free to live my life as I see fit. I am also not morally lacking and believe in charity, kindness of heart, and living to be a person of quality who cares and loves others.0 -
Where did I ever say that I "pity" anyone? Where did I make the claim that an atheist is lacking in charity, kindness of the heart, or that they are not people of quality who care and love others? Sorry, but you're getting offended by something you've heard elsewhere. I don't need YOUR pity, though. I'm good.I find this "pity" worldview of atheists to be really offensive. In fact, I pity those who are still hung up on religion who miss out on truth, knowledge, and the liberation of knowing this life is precious and worth living at every single moment as it is the only one you get. I also find it incredibly liberating to know that this life is not some huge test to see if I get to burn forever or not. I am free to live my life as I see fit. I am also not morally lacking and believe in charity, kindness of heart, and living to be a person of quality who cares and loves others.
Reread your post. You said atheists were "lacking in something" wonderful. It came across clearly as pity.0 -
Nope. I don't "pity" them. I know atheists who are decent, loving, kind, happy people. I can still think they're missing something beautiful by not accepting God without having pity on them.Reread your post. You said atheists were "lacking in something" wonderful. It came across clearly as pity.0 -
In my opinion, when I say an atheist has an impoverished worldview, I'm using that term to mean "lacking something", or "empty of something". To me, if a person doesn't believe in God, they're lacking something beautiful. I've never ridiculed atheism and I've always debated respectfully. I do not use racial slurs nor do I make fun of someone's religion, culture, or race.Is it worse than suggesting that someone has an impoverished world view lol I am cracking up...
You don't understand my world view so its okay for you to say things that are offensive as long as there is no humor in it. Gotcha.0 -
Where did I ever say that I "pity" anyone? Where did I make the claim that an atheist is lacking in charity, kindness of the heart, or that they are not people of quality who care and love others? Sorry, but you're getting offended by something you've heard elsewhere. I don't need YOUR pity, though. I'm good.I find this "pity" worldview of atheists to be really offensive. In fact, I pity those who are still hung up on religion who miss out on truth, knowledge, and the liberation of knowing this life is precious and worth living at every single moment as it is the only one you get. I also find it incredibly liberating to know that this life is not some huge test to see if I get to burn forever or not. I am free to live my life as I see fit. I am also not morally lacking and believe in charity, kindness of heart, and living to be a person of quality who cares and loves others.
Reread your post. You said atheists were "lacking in something" wonderful. It came across clearly as pity.
She wasn't joking though so its okay.
Me personally I am like you. I was a Lutheran as a child and as a young adult I was a born again Christian and it was awesome, in a way that most people wouldn't understand, when I let go of all of those superstitions.0 -
You're an intelligent person so I assumed you knew what intolerant meant. You might want to look it up again. Is Jeff Foxworthy intolerant of rednecks? Is Tyler Perry intolerant of blacks?
One sentence? You made fun of someone's religion and you just admitted that you tell racial and ethnic jokes. And now you're telling another human being that she's not that important. Perhaps we have a "false opinion" of you being intolerant, but your words on here are contradicting that.Own what? The false opinion of someone I don't know who formed a judgement of intolerance against me based on 1 sentence? Seriously??? The fact that you don't find something funny doesn't make it some serious offense. You're not that important.
Hey, here's a joke for you. A new Bishop was visiting the Vatican and wanted to go into the archives to do some studying. He was gone for hours when another man of the cloth became worried about him and went to find him. He foun the Bishop sitting on the floor sobbing. "What's the matter?" he asked. The new Bishop looked up and between sobs said "It says CELEBRATE!"
Does that make me intolerant of Catholics now too?0 -
An atheist's worldview is lacking God, no? I'm not ridiculing nor am I trying to be offensive. I happen to think knowing and loving God is a beautiful thing. Why is it offensive for me to say that I believe atheists are missing out on something beautiful? I take no offense to an atheist saying I'm lacking the freedom they feel by having no religion.You don't understand my world view so its okay for you to say things that are offensive as long as there is no humor in it. Gotcha.0 -
How many times are you going to tell that joke in MFP?Hey, here's a joke for you. A new Bishop was visiting the Vatican and wanted to go into the archives to do some studying. He was gone for hours when another man of the cloth became worried about him and went to find him. He foun the Bishop sitting on the floor sobbing. "What's the matter?" he asked. The new Bishop looked up and between sobs said "It says CELEBRATE!"0 -
A Christian's world view is lacking Allah, Buddha, Krishna, etc. A short person's world view is lacking what it's like to be tall. A skinny person's world view is lacking what it's like to be fat. Paris Hilton's world view is lacking intelligence. If not having a daily interaction with something means one has an "impoverished world view" then everyone is lacking in something so there should be no need to try to point it out as if it were a character flaw.
An atheist's worldview is lacking God, no? I'm not ridiculing nor am I trying to be offensive. I happen to think knowing and loving God is a beautiful thing. Why is it offensive for me to say that I believe atheists are missing out on something beautiful? I take no offense to an atheist saying I'm lacking the freedom they feel by having no religion.You don't understand my world view so its okay for you to say things that are offensive as long as there is no humor in it. Gotcha.0 -
An atheist's worldview is lacking God, no? I'm not ridiculing nor am I trying to be offensive. I happen to think knowing and loving God is a beautiful thing. Why is it offensive for me to say that I believe atheists are missing out on something beautiful? I take no offense to an atheist saying I'm lacking the freedom they feel by having no religion.You don't understand my world view so its okay for you to say things that are offensive as long as there is no humor in it. Gotcha.
Stating that someone has an "impoverished world view" is beyond offensive. You can spin it anyway you like after the fact, but at the end of the day, that statement was offensive. Which is fine, go ahead, I am just pointing it out in the hopes that you will climb down off of your self righteous high horse.0 -
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How many times are you going to tell that joke in MFP?Hey, here's a joke for you. A new Bishop was visiting the Vatican and wanted to go into the archives to do some studying. He was gone for hours when another man of the cloth became worried about him and went to find him. He foun the Bishop sitting on the floor sobbing. "What's the matter?" he asked. The new Bishop looked up and between sobs said "It says CELEBRATE!"0 -
Wait. Now I'm on a high horse? I've never claimed to be better than anyone. YOU are the one who brought an old quote of mine into this debate. You're the one spinning what I said. I know exactly what I meant by it, and you just want to think you know what I meant.I am just pointing it out in the hopes that you will climb down off of your self righteous high horse.0 -
Wait. Now I'm on a high horse? I've never claimed to be better than anyone. YOU are the one who brought an old quote of mine into this debate. You're the one spinning what I said. I know exactly what I meant by it, and you just want to think you know what I meant.I am just pointing it out in the hopes that you will climb down off of your self righteous high horse.
YOU are the one adding to your previous comment, I have only quoted you. No spin needed, nor added on my part.
I am pretty sure that my favorite part of this entire thread is when Bahet says she is a Pollok who makes Pollok jokes and then you say to her "You made fun of someone's religion and you just admitted that you tell racial and ethnic jokes." Can I just say WTF?? What, now we're not even allowed to make fun of ourselves? I'll be sure to scold my dear old dad, the Midwestern Swede for sending me those highly derogatory Ole and Lena jokes. On second thought, I think you should stay up there on that horse, in conjunction with your self given duty of not giving credence to Bahet for not taking magical underwear seriously you have also been appointed joke police.0 -
You haven't followed the thread well. If you think there's nothing wrong worth Bahet saying something about magical underwear about a Mormon isn't wring and derogatory, then I don't know what else to say to you. Nice try, but it's not the same thing as Jeff Fixworthy telling redneck jokes, but I think y'all know that. Or at least I hope you do.
I am pretty sure that my favorite part of this entire thread is when Bahet says she is a Pollok who makes Pollok jokes and then you say to her "You made fun of someone's religion and you just admitted that you tell racial and ethnic jokes." Can I just say WTF?? What, now we're not even allowed to make fun of ourselves? I'll be sure to scold my dear old dad, the Midwestern Swede for sending me those highly derogatory Ole and Lena jokes. On second thought, I think you should stay up there on that horse, in conjunction with your self given duty of not giving credence to Bahet for not taking magical underwear seriously you have also been appointed joke police0 -
You haven't followed the thread well. If you think there's nothing wrong worth Bahet saying something about magical underwear about a Mormon isn't wring and derogatory, then I don't know what else to say to you. Nice try, but it's not the same thing as Jeff Fixworthy telling redneck jokes, but I think y'all know that. Or at least I hope you do.
I am pretty sure that my favorite part of this entire thread is when Bahet says she is a Pollok who makes Pollok jokes and then you say to her "You made fun of someone's religion and you just admitted that you tell racial and ethnic jokes." Can I just say WTF?? What, now we're not even allowed to make fun of ourselves? I'll be sure to scold my dear old dad, the Midwestern Swede for sending me those highly derogatory Ole and Lena jokes. On second thought, I think you should stay up there on that horse, in conjunction with your self given duty of not giving credence to Bahet for not taking magical underwear seriously you have also been appointed joke police
I don't think you're following this thread very well. I didn't make that comment about Jeff Foxworthy. Bahet did after you gave her a hard time when she admitted to the terrible mistake of making jokes about her own ancestry. So ya, it was a fair comparison when you actually use context.0 -
I know Bahet made the Foxworthy comment but you're defending it. I didn't say anything about her making fun of her own heritage. My point of contention with Bahet was using a derogatory religious comment about a Mormon then telling LL she "isn't worth it". I take issue with those statements. Then you decided to use a partial quote of mine from another debate thinking it would somehow fit in with this debate. I'm also not the first person who took issue with Bahet's "magical underwear" comment.0
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I know Bahet made the Foxworthy comment but you're defending it. I didn't say anything about her making fun of her own heritage
I only defended the Foxworthy reference after you brought it up, and in the context that she was using it, she was correct.
You said,"You made fun of someone's religion and you just admitted that you tell racial and ethnic jokes. "
If you were not referring to her admitting to the fact that she makes fun of the groups that she belongs to, her own heritage, what comment are you referring to? I see no other reference that even hints that she makes racial jokes.Then you decided to use a partial quote of mine from another debate thinking it would somehow fit in with this debate.
I didn't take anything out of context.I'm also not the first person who took issue with Bahet's "magical underwear" comment.
I think its already been established why I would question your specific posts considering previous comments that have been made.0 -
Sure you did. The context in which I made that statement was why SOME atheists might decide to take their own children to church. I said maybe it's because they realize they have an impoverished worldview (lacking something) and they're open to their children having it.I didn't take anything out of context.
Because I'm a Christian and you don't like my opinions. But I have NEVER made a racial, ethnic, religious or atheist joke here ever. So if you're trying to say that I can't take a position against Bahet's joke about "magical underwear" about a specific Muslim because that's hypocritical, then your argument is flawed.I think its already been established why I would question your specific posts considering previous comments that have been made0 -
Speaking of taking things out of context...I know Bahet made the Foxworthy comment but you're defending it. I didn't say anything about her making fun of her own heritage. My point of contention with Bahet was using a derogatory religious comment about a Mormon then telling LL she "isn't worth it". I take issue with those statements. Then you decided to use a partial quote of mine from another debate thinking it would somehow fit in with this debate. I'm also not the first person who took issue with Bahet's "magical underwear" comment.
I didn't say LL "isn't worth it." I said: "Own what? The false opinion of someone I don't know who formed a judgement of intolerance against me based on 1 sentence? Seriously??? The fact that you don't find something funny doesn't make it some serious offense. You're not that important."
And I stand by that. The incorrect opinion of some random person on the internet who doesn't know me and is trying to make a blanket statement of intolerance based on 1 sentence trying to demand "I own it" (meaning HER opinion) isn't important to me. Her getting offended and trying to tell me what I can and cannot say isn't going to influence me anymore than the multiple people telling you that they were offended by your comments about atheists obviously aren't that important to you either.
The context of your statement wasn't that some atheists have an impoverished world view. It was that some atheists want to try to change their impoverished world view by taking their children to church. Or are you now trying to say that atheists who don't take their children to church aren't the ones with an impoverished world view?0 -
"Sure you did. The context in which I made that statement was why SOME atheists might decide to take their own children to church. I said maybe it's because they realize they have an impoverished worldview (lacking something) and they're open to their children having it."
NO I didn't take you out of context. I said what you said was offensive and it was.
"Maybe also these atheists see how impoverishing the atheist world-view really is."
You said other things that I think are offensive but I'll just stick to this one to make my point.
So now if you're going to accuse me of taking something out of context show me where I took your statement out of context.
Because I'm a Christian and you don't like my opinions. But I have NEVER made a racial, ethnic, religious or atheist joke here ever. So if you're trying to say that I can't take a position against Bahet's joke about "magical underwear" about a specific Muslim because that's hypocritical, then your argument is flawed.
Ya, nice try except for the fact that I didn't say jack about YOU being a Christian. That has zero to do with it, in fact you could be from pretty much any religion and express the same feelings.
I already stated that I don't care that you said something offensive outside of the fact that it is hypocritical. People say offensive things on debate boards especially about peoples beliefs when it comes to religion and politics, some just flat out make offensive comments, some use humor. I am sure I make plenty of offensive statements, because when you're debating highly volatile issues there is truly no way to avoid it. You might think there is some big diff between saying it in a humorous way and saying it in a matter of fact way, but there isn't.
But I have to admit after further review my favorite part is still painting someone as being racially intolerant because they make jokes about their own heritage. That's rich.0 -
Bahet made the derogatory comment about a Muslim, using a very offensive expression, and she knows it. Then she told LL she wasn't that important. Period. How is my having an issue with that hypocritical? Because I said in another thread that perhaps some atheists take their children to church because they don't want them to have an impoverished worldview? I'm not seeing the comparison, but this debate is old and boring now. You have your opinions of me and whether you said it or not, I'm sure it has to do with my Christian views. That's cool.0
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I personally have no knowledge of her or anyone else calling a Muslim a derogatory name. That has pretty much nothing to do with any of my opinions, as I have no knowledge of it. Secondly I simply do not get upset over women on the internet haughtily dismissing one another. Thirdly, never once did I compare the two things in the first part of my post (this post) to your inflammatory comments about the impoverished state of the atheist world view. You can go sell that shiz somewhere else and while you're at it, you can take your attempt at painting me as someone who has issues with you because you're a Christian.Bahet made the derogatory comment about a Muslim, using a very offensive expression, and she knows it. Then she told LL she wasn't that important. Period. How is my having an issue with that hypocritical? Because I said in another thread that perhaps some atheists take their children to church because they don't want them to have an impoverished worldview? I'm not seeing the comparison, but this debate is old and boring now. You have your opinions of me and whether you said it or not, I'm sure it has to do with my Christian views. That's cool.0 -
I'm so confused. Where the heck did Muslims come into this?0
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