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  • Regmama
    Regmama Posts: 399 Member
    I understand the thinking behind it, just like with pictures from genocides, you don't know the evil until you see the evil. Same with abortion. Many do not know the evil until they see it (that is, the pictures of the victims of abortion). I don't watch television, so it doesn't affect me either way. I have seen photos of babies who were murdered so violently in the womb. How anyone can defend that I don't know. It's just like defending genocide, you must have a heart of stone to think it's defendable.
  • kit_katty
    kit_katty Posts: 988 Member
    I don't think this issue is black and white. I don't feel that the right to an abortion should be taken away from victims of rape, incest etc. I do not think that a teen who made a mistake should have to go through the trauma of an unwanted teen pregnancy. I do not generally agree with late term abortion. But when the health (mental or physical) of the mother is at stake, then to me, that's more important. There are a lot of changes that a woman's body goes through and to me it's a woman's right to choose.

    On the other hand it should not be used as a form of birth control.

    My favourite quote for abortions goes something like this "Abortions should be accessible, safe and rare."

    Edit: Forgot to address the issue of this ad in particular. I don't think it's in good taste at all. I don't think anyone actually needs to see those pictures. If you have a brain, you understand what's going on. And to run for president with an ad like that... I'd not vote for him on principle.
  • fbmandy55
    fbmandy55 Posts: 5,262 Member
    Edit: Forgot to address the issue of this ad in particular. I don't think it's in good taste at all. I don't think anyone actually needs to see those pictures. If you have a brain, you understand what's going on. And to run for president with an ad like that... I'd not vote for him on principle.

    I feel the opposite. I think anyone who gets an abortion should have to know the process and see what happens before hand. You really DON'T know what's going on until you see it. I was pro-choice at one point. I had to watch a video/see photos of an abortion for a case at my last job and I haven't been ok with it since. That and once I realized that a baby has a heartbeat as early as a few weeks gestation, I just couldn't see it as anything but killing a human being.
  • futiledevices
    futiledevices Posts: 309 Member
    Nobody should be making decisions about someone else's body. Women should have the right to choose.
  • fbmandy55
    fbmandy55 Posts: 5,262 Member
    Nobody should be making decisions about someone else's body. Women should have the right to choose.

    So using that logic, I should be able to smoke pot without being a criminal right? It's my body.

    Just had to throw that out there. I support having the right to do whatever you'd like with your own life and body. Except in the case of abortion, what about the right of the baby to a life? I think the right to a life trumps the right of a woman to choose whether she wants to carry that life or not.
  • futiledevices
    futiledevices Posts: 309 Member
    Yes, actually. Pot shouldn't be illegal, in my opinion - but your logical is faulty, because it doesn't make sense. Those two things are completely different.
  • kapeluza
    kapeluza Posts: 3,434 Member
    Edit: Forgot to address the issue of this ad in particular. I don't think it's in good taste at all. I don't think anyone actually needs to see those pictures. If you have a brain, you understand what's going on. And to run for president with an ad like that... I'd not vote for him on principle.

    I feel the opposite. I think anyone who gets an abortion should have to know the process and see what happens before hand. You really DON'T know what's going on until you see it. I was pro-choice at one point. I had to watch a video/see photos of an abortion for a case at my last job and I haven't been ok with it since. That and once I realized that a baby has a heartbeat as early as a few weeks gestation, I just couldn't see it as anything but killing a human being.

    You would think that someone having an abortion would research what is going to happen to them before actually having the procedure no? I don't see why this has to be shown on National tv with million of viewers.

    I know that whatever they plan on presenting on that ad will not change how I feel about abortion.
  • fbmandy55
    fbmandy55 Posts: 5,262 Member
    Edit: Forgot to address the issue of this ad in particular. I don't think it's in good taste at all. I don't think anyone actually needs to see those pictures. If you have a brain, you understand what's going on. And to run for president with an ad like that... I'd not vote for him on principle.

    I feel the opposite. I think anyone who gets an abortion should have to know the process and see what happens before hand. You really DON'T know what's going on until you see it. I was pro-choice at one point. I had to watch a video/see photos of an abortion for a case at my last job and I haven't been ok with it since. That and once I realized that a baby has a heartbeat as early as a few weeks gestation, I just couldn't see it as anything but killing a human being.

    You would think that someone having an abortion would research what is going to happen to them before actually having the procedure no? I don't see why this has to be shown on National tv with million of viewers.

    I know that whatever they plan on presenting on that ad will not change how I feel about abortion.

    I honestly don't think some people GRASP what is actually happening. I think most people go in knowing they are pregnant and come out know they are not. I don't think it is something kids should see, so I don't necessarily agree that it needs to be aired but I do think a woman should have to see what happens before she is allowed the procedure.

    Hell, I had to watch a horrifying video in order to get a prescription medication once. Because it caused terrible birth defects and they wanted to be extra sure I didn't get pregnant while taking the medication.
  • debloves2ride
    debloves2ride Posts: 386 Member
    To address the ad: i think it is in extremely bad taste. It is a person trying to use the shock value to scare people into voting for him. personally I would be apalled to have this on my tv.

    i don't agree with abortion, especially used as a form of birth control. I am one of those that believe life begins at conception. In the case of incest, rape, etc... possibly if it is the woman's desire to abort.

    I think alot of the ads on tv or tasteless this is just one more to add to the pile.
  • futiledevices
    futiledevices Posts: 309 Member
    I don't see the logic in people wanting abortion to be illegal. So many more women would die because of shady, botched procedures.
  • macpatti
    macpatti Posts: 4,280 Member
    I am pro-life. If this ad keeps even one person from having an abortion, then it will be worth running. While I don't like political candidates using the pro-life issue as a means to get votes, I don't have a problem with running the ad during a time it has the potential of having a million viewers.

    Kapeluza~ Do you really believe that everyone having an abortion does reasearch on it? Just head down to a Planned Parenthood one Saturday and ask the girls waiting to have an abortion what all they know about it.
  • Regmama
    Regmama Posts: 399 Member
    I don't see the logic in people wanting abortion to be illegal. So many more women would die because of shady, botched procedures.
    You might want to do your own research, but that myth has been debunked a long time ago, though not as loudly as it should have been debunked by the likes of those in "pro-choice (abortion)" organizations. http://www.chastity.com/chastity-qa/birth-control/abortion/before-abortion-was-legal
  • Regmama
    Regmama Posts: 399 Member
    I am pro-life. If this ad keeps even one person from having an abortion, then it will be worth running. While I don't like political candidates using the pro-life issue as a means to get votes, I don't have a problem with running the ad during a time it has the potential of having a million viewers.

    Kapeluza~ Do you really believe that everyone having an abortion does reasearch on it? Just head down to a Planned Parenthood one Saturday and ask the girls waiting to have an abortion what all they know about it.
    Yeah, that's if she can even step on their property without fear of being arrested for trespassing.
  • TheRoadDog
    TheRoadDog Posts: 11,786 Member
    I am pro-life. If this ad keeps even one person from having an abortion, then it will be worth running. While I don't like political candidates using the pro-life issue as a means to get votes, I don't have a problem with running the ad during a time it has the potential of having a million viewers.

    Kapeluza~ Do you really believe that everyone having an abortion does reasearch on it? Just head down to a Planned Parenthood one Saturday and ask the girls waiting to have an abortion what all they know about it.

    He's a hack. I can't support anyone that takes a militant stance on anything. @macPatti When you say Pro-life do you mean "No abortion for any reason?"
  • futiledevices
    futiledevices Posts: 309 Member
    I don't see the logic in people wanting abortion to be illegal. So many more women would die because of shady, botched procedures.
    You might want to do your own research, but that myth has been debunked a long time ago, though not as loudly as it should have been debunked by the likes of those in "pro-choice (abortion)" organizations. http://www.chastity.com/chastity-qa/birth-control/abortion/before-abortion-was-legal

    Uh, what kind of a sick website is that? & why should I find anything on it reliable?
  • VeganInTraining
    VeganInTraining Posts: 1,319 Member
    Definitely in poor taste! I didn't look at either of the links because I don't want to see the ad or parts of that ad. I hate being subjected to that stuff!

    That being said, I think that if someone is going to have an abortion they should see a short video or photos first. That should be procedure at the clinics though not on national television or billboards. I don't think most people do all that much research about abortions because they would rather not think about it and just get it done. The doctor will tell them technically how the proceedure will go but I think it's important for them really to understand everything that is happening and not just to their own body but also to that of the fetus.
  • Regmama
    Regmama Posts: 399 Member
    I don't see the logic in people wanting abortion to be illegal. So many more women would die because of shady, botched procedures.
    You might want to do your own research, but that myth has been debunked a long time ago, though not as loudly as it should have been debunked by the likes of those in "pro-choice (abortion)" organizations. http://www.chastity.com/chastity-qa/birth-control/abortion/before-abortion-was-legal

    Uh, what kind of a sick website is that? & why should I find anything on it reliable?
    You didn't even click on the link and read it, did you? Everything is cited, and there are no images, so exactly what is "sick" about it?
  • dragonbait0126
    dragonbait0126 Posts: 568 Member
    Nobody should be making decisions about someone else's body. Women should have the right to choose.

    So using that logic, I should be able to smoke pot without being a criminal right? It's my body.

    Just had to throw that out there. I support having the right to do whatever you'd like with your own life and body. Except in the case of abortion, what about the right of the baby to a life? I think the right to a life trumps the right of a woman to choose whether she wants to carry that life or not.

    What about the life of the mother? It's not simply about what the woman wants to do with her body. There are other factors. There are times where if the pregnancy is continued it places the mother's life at risk. While I do not believe that abortion should be used as a form of birth control, I also do not believe it should be completely outlawed as there are scenarios, however rare they may be, in which abortion should be allowed.

    In regards to the ad, I can't view it as I am at work so will have to watch it later. However, from reading the other comments, it doesn't seem to be an appropriate ad for this time slot. While people do need to be educated on both sides of the abortion issue, I don't know that showing this type of ad during a time period where a countless number of people who should NOT see it will view it. I don't see the need for a 10 year old to see this type of ad. Yes, an argument can be made that parents should monitor what their kids see. However, the Superbowl is known for it's commercials and not knowing when during the game it will be aired, it would be almost impossible to ensure your kid didn't see it unless you don't allow them to watch any commercials until after it has aired. While I understand that it will reach millions of viewers during this time, I don't know that this is the most appropriate venue to show it instead of finding times in which it is less likely for an inapproriate audiance to be watching.
  • Regmama
    Regmama Posts: 399 Member
    Definitely in poor taste! I didn't look at either of the links because I don't want to see the ad or parts of that ad. I hate being subjected to that stuff!

    That being said, I think that if someone is going to have an abortion they should see a short video or photos first. That should be procedure at the clinics though not on national television or billboards. I don't think most people do all that much research about abortions because they would rather not think about it and just get it done. The doctor will tell them technically how the proceedure will go but I think it's important for them really to understand everything that is happening and not just to their own body but also to that of the fetus.
    Sounds like you support 100% full informed consent? That's great, I wish the abortion industry would not fight laws that are introduced requiring informed consent that don't even involve viewing images. They really don't care about the women (and obviously not the babies) they just care about the money and so many buy into their lies. It truly is sad.
  • Regmama
    Regmama Posts: 399 Member


    What about the life of the mother? It's not simply about what the woman wants to do with her body. There are other factors. There are times where if the pregnancy is continued it places the mother's life at risk. While I do not believe that abortion should be used as a form of birth control, I also do not believe it should be completely outlawed as there are scenarios, however rare they may be, in which abortion should be allowed.
    There are situations like ectopic pregnancies where a fallopian tube needs to be removed and thus the life of the child ends. That is NOT an abortion. What other situations put the mother's life at risk? The odds of a baby surviving after being prematurely born are increasing. If say, a woman runs the risk of preeclampsia, the baby can be delivered early (my niece was born 9 weeks early because of her mom's preeclampsia). So, what other scenarios warrant abortion for the mother's life? I don't know of any (and obviously the two I just mentioned don't warrant either.
  • fbmandy55
    fbmandy55 Posts: 5,262 Member
    Nobody should be making decisions about someone else's body. Women should have the right to choose.

    So using that logic, I should be able to smoke pot without being a criminal right? It's my body.

    Just had to throw that out there. I support having the right to do whatever you'd like with your own life and body. Except in the case of abortion, what about the right of the baby to a life? I think the right to a life trumps the right of a woman to choose whether she wants to carry that life or not.

    What about the life of the mother? It's not simply about what the woman wants to do with her body. There are other factors. There are times where if the pregnancy is continued it places the mother's life at risk. While I do not believe that abortion should be used as a form of birth control, I also do not believe it should be completely outlawed as there are scenarios, however rare they may be, in which abortion should be allowed.

    I think it is appropriate to enduce labor if the mother is dying. Then it can be up to God/nature/whatever you fancy to determine if the baby lives or dies from that point. Then again, I've had a diabetic friend have to deliver because she was in renal failure at 5 months. The baby did not live but I think it was better for her to know they tried rather than just 'taking care of it" early on, knowing she was going to have issues.
  • macpatti
    macpatti Posts: 4,280 Member
    Definitely in poor taste! I didn't look at either of the links because I don't want to see the ad or parts of that ad. I hate being subjected to that stuff!

    That being said, I think that if someone is going to have an abortion they should see a short video or photos first. That should be procedure at the clinics though not on national television or billboards. I don't think most people do all that much research about abortions because they would rather not think about it and just get it done. The doctor will tell them technically how the proceedure will go but I think it's important for them really to understand everything that is happening and not just to their own body but also to that of the fetus.
    I wish everyone, not just those having an abortion, would really see what an abortion does. I don't think the pics should be so graphic that children would need to leave the room, though. And again, I don't like that it's tied to support a political candidate. But, I don't like that so many people will claim to be pro-choice while turning their heads to what an abortion actually does. Ya know?
  • kapeluza
    kapeluza Posts: 3,434 Member
    I am pro-life. If this ad keeps even one person from having an abortion, then it will be worth running. While I don't like political candidates using the pro-life issue as a means to get votes, I don't have a problem with running the ad during a time it has the potential of having a million viewers.

    Kapeluza~ Do you really believe that everyone having an abortion does reasearch on it? Just head down to a Planned Parenthood one Saturday and ask the girls waiting to have an abortion what all they know about it.

    No, I don't think everyone investigates or does any kind of research when getting an abortion. Heck, maybe many women just know that getting an abortion will terminate the "unwanted" pregnancy. And like someone else mention, maybe they use it as birth control which makes me shudder at the thought.
  • macpatti
    macpatti Posts: 4,280 Member
    @macPatti When you say Pro-life do you mean "No abortion for any reason?"
    Correct. I do not support abortion for any reason.
  • VeganInTraining
    VeganInTraining Posts: 1,319 Member
    Definitely in poor taste! I didn't look at either of the links because I don't want to see the ad or parts of that ad. I hate being subjected to that stuff!

    That being said, I think that if someone is going to have an abortion they should see a short video or photos first. That should be procedure at the clinics though not on national television or billboards. I don't think most people do all that much research about abortions because they would rather not think about it and just get it done. The doctor will tell them technically how the proceedure will go but I think it's important for them really to understand everything that is happening and not just to their own body but also to that of the fetus.
    I wish everyone, not just those having an abortion, would really see what an abortion does. I don't think the pics should be so graphic that children would need to leave the room, though. And again, I don't like that it's tied to support a political candidate. But, I don't like that so many people will claim to be pro-choice while turning their heads to what an abortion actually does. Ya know?

    I get what your saying and totally understand that. But maybe it should be part of a highschool class or something like that. Definitely not on TV or billboards. After seeing it, i think the vision is pretty well imprinted on your memory.....it at least was on mine. when i was a kid my dad took me to a bunch of pro-life ralleys and while I'm pro-life today, there's a lot of stuff that it's just not appropriate to subject a child to.
  • macpatti
    macpatti Posts: 4,280 Member
    there's a lot of stuff that it's just not appropriate to subject a child to.
    Agreed!
  • mikajoanow
    mikajoanow Posts: 582 Member
    I don't see the logic in people wanting abortion to be illegal. So many more women would die because of shady, botched procedures.
    You might want to do your own research, but that myth has been debunked a long time ago, though not as loudly as it should have been debunked by the likes of those in "pro-choice (abortion)" organizations. http://www.chastity.com/chastity-qa/birth-control/abortion/before-abortion-was-legal

    An estimated 68,000 women die every year from unsafe abortions according to the World Health Organization.

    http://www.who.int/reproductivehealth/publications/general/lancet_4.pdf
  • atomiclauren
    atomiclauren Posts: 689 Member
    Oh man - just at the outset, I agree that a political figure using this as a means for votes is a turn off, and my gut reaction is that anyone making ads like this has a way of thinking and acting that is against what I'd want in a candidate.

    On the issue of abortion - I think it's awful. I mean, who doesn't? I also think the terminology and semiotics behind "pro-choice" and "pro-life" are awful. I mean geez, I'm pro-choice but not pro-abortion. I'm pro-choice because like futiledevices mentioned, it is not a black and white issue. I do think that it is a public health issue that would be worsened by not having the option legally available. I also know that there are numerous reasons behind a woman deciding to have an abortion that aren't my or anyone else's business and legislation against it isn't the answer.

    Why? It's not solving the problem, just forcing women that don't want a baby to have one (or to get an abortion anyhow in a questionable environment). More education, better decisions, blah blah blah, in an ideal world.

    I do feel sorry for all the women getting prenatal and general well-woman related exams and procedures at Planned Parenthood. It must really suck to get heckled while trying to go in to get a pap smear!
  • macpatti
    macpatti Posts: 4,280 Member
    On the issue of abortion - I think it's awful. I mean, who doesn't?
    Plenty of people.
    I also think the terminology and semiotics behind "pro-choice" and "pro-life" are awful. I mean geez, I'm pro-choice but not pro-abortion.
    I'm not in the camp that believes everyone pro-choice is pro-abortion, meaning that just because you're pro-choice doesn't mean you'd have an abortion yourself. I get that.
    I do feel sorry for all the women getting prenatal and general well-woman related exams and procedures at Planned Parenthood. It must really suck to get heckled while trying to go in to get a pap smear!
    If a woman is going to get a pap smear, then pro-lifers are not "heckling" at them. I'd think they'd know that.
  • TheRoadDog
    TheRoadDog Posts: 11,786 Member
    @macPatti When you say Pro-life do you mean "No abortion for any reason?"
    Correct. I do not support abortion for any reason.

    That's why I don't take you seriously.

    I don't believe in using abortion as method of Birth control, but I pity the fool that would try to obstruct me from taking my wife or daughters to get an abortion if my wife or daughter's lives were threatened by going through with the pregnancy.

    In supporting pro-life under any circumstances, you would sacrifice another person's life?
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