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Trying to reason your way throught something irrational is the definition of insanity.0
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Religion's views of free will are a little warped. Believe our crap or burn forever. That's a fair choice.
And the worse part of Hell is not the burning, it's the being separated from God for eternity.
The Catholic faith has also taught many things over history and then recanted them. That you must buy your way into heaven. That you can have a mistress, only if you have enough money to buy a title for one and that it was god's will to burn people who read scripture and interpreted it differently than the Pope, Cardinals, Bishops, etc say it was to be read.
How do you know what they say now is what you should believe? Just another reason for my confusion and distrust of churches...
I understand why you may be confused and distrust religion, but again, as I remind others, read the documents that the religions have as their official teaching. To know what the Catholic Church teaches, read the Catechism of the Catholic Church, Canon Law, General Instruction of the Roman Missal, Encyclicals, and of course The Bible. Yes, that's a lot of reading, but if you really want to know what the teachings and rules are for a church that is so highly criticized by a majority you must know fully all that it teaches, down to what the Holy Sacrifice of the Mass should and should not contain.0 -
Religion's views of free will are a little warped. Believe our crap or burn forever. That's a fair choice.
And the worse part of Hell is not the burning, it's the being separated from God for eternity.
The Catholic faith has also taught many things over history and then recanted them. That you must buy your way into heaven. That you can have a mistress, only if you have enough money to buy a title for one and that it was god's will to burn people who read scripture and interpreted it differently than the Pope, Cardinals, Bishops, etc say it was to be read.
How do you know what they say now is what you should believe? Just another reason for my confusion and distrust of churches...
I understand why you may be confused and distrust religion, but again, as I remind others, read the documents that the religions have as their official teaching. To know what the Catholic Church teaches, read the Catechism of the Catholic Church, Canon Law, General Instruction of the Roman Missal, Encyclicals, and of course The Bible. Yes, that's a lot of reading, but if you really want to know what the teachings and rules are for a church that is so highly criticized by a majority you must know fully all that it teaches, down to what the Holy Sacrifice of the Mass should and should not contain.
As I was raised in a Lutheran school, I am familiar with scripture. For 10 years I had to recite bible verses, have a daily bible class and school chapel service once a week. So the big question I have is how do so many different denominatiosn interperate the SAME BOOK so differently? Which one is right? Obviously someone is setting a standard in those denominations, who is that person to translate what the bible is saying when so many other people take it in a different way...0 -
Religion's views of free will are a little warped. Believe our crap or burn forever. That's a fair choice.
And the worse part of Hell is not the burning, it's the being separated from God for eternity.
The Catholic faith has also taught many things over history and then recanted them. That you must buy your way into heaven. That you can have a mistress, only if you have enough money to buy a title for one and that it was god's will to burn people who read scripture and interpreted it differently than the Pope, Cardinals, Bishops, etc say it was to be read.
How do you know what they say now is what you should believe? Just another reason for my confusion and distrust of churches...
I understand why you may be confused and distrust religion, but again, as I remind others, read the documents that the religions have as their official teaching. To know what the Catholic Church teaches, read the Catechism of the Catholic Church, Canon Law, General Instruction of the Roman Missal, Encyclicals, and of course The Bible. Yes, that's a lot of reading, but if you really want to know what the teachings and rules are for a church that is so highly criticized by a majority you must know fully all that it teaches, down to what the Holy Sacrifice of the Mass should and should not contain.
As I was raised in a Lutheran school, I am familiar with scripture. For 10 years I had to recite bible verses, have a daily bible class and school chapel service once a week. So the big question I have is how do so many different denominatiosn interperate the SAME BOOK so differently? Which one is right? Obviously someone is setting a standard in those denominations, who is that person to translate what the bible is saying when so many other people take it in a different way...
Exactly. I am Catholic but I don't think I am right and anybody else is wrong... we're all human. I really believe nobody has all the answers, some just think they do. The Bible is open to interpretation - it is full of stories... stories that were handed down by mans word prior to being written down by man. Like any other writing - people will interpret it differently and I'm not going to say my or any interpretation is absolute.0 -
As I was raised in a Lutheran school, I am familiar with scripture. For 10 years I had to recite bible verses, have a daily bible class and school chapel service once a week. So the big question I have is how do so many different denominatiosn interperate the SAME BOOK so differently? Which one is right? Obviously someone is setting a standard in those denominations, who is that person to translate what the bible is saying when so many other people take it in a different way...0 -
Exactly. I am Catholic but I don't think I am right and anybody else is wrong... we're all human. I really believe nobody has all the answers, some just think they do. The Bible is open to interpretation - it is full of stories... stories that were handed down by mans word prior to being written down by man. Like any other writing - people will interpret it differently and I'm not going to say my or any interpretation is absolute.
Not to mention, the Church doesn't say everyone else is wrong, actually, the Church states clearly that other faiths do contain part of the Truth.0 -
Exactly. I am Catholic but I don't think I am right and anybody else is wrong... we're all human. I really believe nobody has all the answers, some just think they do. The Bible is open to interpretation - it is full of stories... stories that were handed down by mans word prior to being written down by man. Like any other writing - people will interpret it differently and I'm not going to say my or any interpretation is absolute.
Not to mention, the Church doesn't say everyone else is wrong, actually, the Church states clearly that other faiths do contain part of the Truth.
I didn't say the Church says they are wrong... I said I don't think I am right and anybody else is wrong. You can say I don't see the fullness and beauty... I don't see it that way. Even the Church changes its interpretation at times.
The Church I attend is VERY open minded and welcomes discussion. They also practice what they preach and welcome all without judgment. They have openly stated at mass that we have and accept gay/lesbian members. They create an atmosphere where people want to come from all walks of life and feel welcome and good about being there. They do not preach fire and brimstone. They apply the gospel sermon to today's society. We all greet each other at the start of every mass and welcome visitors before concluding - we always have visitors from out of town, often repeat ones. We have a membership full of people who want to be there, and not because they feel like it's their "duty". Everyone participates in one form or another - it's not a "show up on Sunday" Church. We are active in the community. You can speak to our priests about any subject without fear or reprimand. Its a place where the priests know everyone's story and know everyone by name. That to me is fulfilling and beautiful. I'm sorry you actually think I don't see fullness and beauty because I don't see it "your" way.0 -
As I was raised in a Lutheran school, I am familiar with scripture. For 10 years I had to recite bible verses, have a daily bible class and school chapel service once a week. So the big question I have is how do so many different denominatiosn interperate the SAME BOOK so differently? Which one is right? Obviously someone is setting a standard in those denominations, who is that person to translate what the bible is saying when so many other people take it in a different way...
If that were true then why are there so many non-Catholics who read and study the Bible daily? Do you think they are too dim to see "TRUTH" or that they are just ignoring that "TRUTH"?0 -
Exactly. I am Catholic but I don't think I am right and anybody else is wrong... we're all human. I really believe nobody has all the answers, some just think they do. The Bible is open to interpretation - it is full of stories... stories that were handed down by mans word prior to being written down by man. Like any other writing - people will interpret it differently and I'm not going to say my or any interpretation is absolute.
Not to mention, the Church doesn't say everyone else is wrong, actually, the Church states clearly that other faiths do contain part of the Truth.
I didn't say the Church says they are wrong... I said I don't think I am right and anybody else is wrong. You can say I don't see the fullness and beauty... I don't see it that way. Even the Church changes its interpretation at times.
The Church I attend is VERY open minded and welcomes discussion. They also practice what they preach and welcome all without judgment. They have openly stated at mass that we have and accept gay/lesbian members. They create an atmosphere where people want to come from all walks of life and feel welcome and good about being there. They do not preach fire and brimstone. They apply the gospel sermon to today's society. We all greet each other at the start of every mass and welcome visitors before concluding - we always have visitors from out of town, often repeat ones. We have a membership full of people who want to be there, and not because they feel like it's their "duty". Everyone participates in one form or another - it's not a "show up on Sunday" Church. We are active in the community. You can speak to our priests about any subject without fear or reprimand. Its a place where the priests know everyone's story and know everyone by name. That to me is fulfilling and beautiful. I'm sorry you actually think I don't see fullness and beauty because I don't see it "your" way.0 -
But really - if your belief is:I know that the Catholic faith teaches that God is Mercy and that we choose our eternity, not by our actions, but at the moment of death, that we are given a choice with full knowledge to choose God and repent or to choose to live eternity without God. But it is a choice of the free will. For those who's lives on earth were not saintly, from the moment of choosing God until entering heaven we are purified of our earthly sins (which as Catholics, we call Purgatory).
what do you think happens to someone who has worshipped Hindu deities (the Trimurti, Tridevi, and so on - or any other religion, for that matter) when they die? I am sincerely interested - I've never heard anyone's thoughts on this. Ever.0 -
But really - if your belief is:I know that the Catholic faith teaches that God is Mercy and that we choose our eternity, not by our actions, but at the moment of death, that we are given a choice with full knowledge to choose God and repent or to choose to live eternity without God. But it is a choice of the free will. For those who's lives on earth were not saintly, from the moment of choosing God until entering heaven we are purified of our earthly sins (which as Catholics, we call Purgatory).
what do you think happens to someone who has worshipped Hindu deities (the Trimurti, Tridevi, and so on - or any other religion, for that matter) when they die? I am sincerely interested - I've never heard anyone's thoughts on this. Ever.0 -
But really - if your belief is:I know that the Catholic faith teaches that God is Mercy and that we choose our eternity, not by our actions, but at the moment of death, that we are given a choice with full knowledge to choose God and repent or to choose to live eternity without God. But it is a choice of the free will. For those who's lives on earth were not saintly, from the moment of choosing God until entering heaven we are purified of our earthly sins (which as Catholics, we call Purgatory).
what do you think happens to someone who has worshipped Hindu deities (the Trimurti, Tridevi, and so on - or any other religion, for that matter) when they die? I am sincerely interested - I've never heard anyone's thoughts on this. Ever.0 -
What if, once you die, you learn that the Truth is Hindi? Will you disavow Christianity and all you believed your entire life if you are shown that you were wrong?
lol, you know you're not going to like the answer you get from this
Faith, choosing to believe something is true in the absence of evidence, precludes the option for being rational--rational in the classical sense of the word, that is.
The answer you'd likely get from a true believer in Christ would probably be something similar to: "But that's not what's going to happen because it isn't what I accept as truth."
It's lacks a certain imagination, I feel, but that's the problem with choosing to believe that one religion has it right instead of accepting the infinite possibilities that exist in the universe--or at least near infinite.0 -
But really - if your belief is:I know that the Catholic faith teaches that God is Mercy and that we choose our eternity, not by our actions, but at the moment of death, that we are given a choice with full knowledge to choose God and repent or to choose to live eternity without God. But it is a choice of the free will. For those who's lives on earth were not saintly, from the moment of choosing God until entering heaven we are purified of our earthly sins (which as Catholics, we call Purgatory).
what do you think happens to someone who has worshipped Hindu deities (the Trimurti, Tridevi, and so on - or any other religion, for that matter) when they die? I am sincerely interested - I've never heard anyone's thoughts on this. Ever.
I saw on South Park that the correct answer is: Mormon. So.......yeah.0 -
But really - if your belief is:I know that the Catholic faith teaches that God is Mercy and that we choose our eternity, not by our actions, but at the moment of death, that we are given a choice with full knowledge to choose God and repent or to choose to live eternity without God. But it is a choice of the free will. For those who's lives on earth were not saintly, from the moment of choosing God until entering heaven we are purified of our earthly sins (which as Catholics, we call Purgatory).
what do you think happens to someone who has worshipped Hindu deities (the Trimurti, Tridevi, and so on - or any other religion, for that matter) when they die? I am sincerely interested - I've never heard anyone's thoughts on this. Ever.
I saw on South Park that the correct answer is: Mormon. So.......yeah.0 -
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God gives us free will & his followers try to take it away0
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That is just digusting.0 -
That is just digusting.0 -
That is just digusting.
Propaganda from some christian book.0