New to the Group and some questions

runlaugheatpie
runlaugheatpie Posts: 376 Member
edited November 10 in Social Groups
HI Everyone
Recently I signed up with a Personal Trainer and he wants me to try what I thought was Paleo, but I'm a little stuck for what exactly I'm going to eat for a while. So my question is, does this sound right? Is it Paleo? Is it Primal?

He wants me to eat 6 times a day
Meal 1 - Protein, Veg, Fat
Meal 2 - Carb (only) (but somehow LF yoghurt is a carb?)
Meal 3 - Protein, Veg, Fat
Meal 4 - Protein, Veg, Fat
Meal 5 - Carb (and the suggestion is fruit)
Meal 6 - Protein, Veg, Fat

This is also based on my schedule because I get up very early (5) and am on the way to work by 6.30 (and it takes me until 8.50 to get to work). He wants me to eat immediately (by 5.30) and then again around 7.30 and again at 10/12/15-16 and 19:00 when I arrive home. Honestly I have no idea how to make this work.

Another question I have is - if you ate grains before, how did you replace them? For example, my husband cooks (because of my commute) and we eat a lot of Indian food with basmati rice. Can I just replace that with cauliflower? What about Italian food - he cooks that a lot as well. I thought I could probably put my tomato-based sauce over broccoli instead of pasta but what about other things?

What about beans - considered a protein or a carb? Black/Kidney/Chick Peas/ Lentils - can I use these in my carb only meals?

I'd be happy to buy a book if I knew which one it should be. I believe he's based this off of Dr. Cordain's diet. Does it sound right?

Thanks for putting up with my questions.

Renée

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  • crossfitterwahine
    crossfitterwahine Posts: 61 Member
    Hmm...well at first glance it is not very primal to me. The Primal lifestyle is really trying to get yourself away from the mini-meals, eat on a schedule diet. It's more about trying to listen to your body, eat only when you are hungry and avoid all processed foods including beans.

    So, ideally, you wouldn't be snacking and you wouldn't be having carb only meals. I am at a loss for his reasoning behind those. Maybe someone else can pipe in.

    If you get a chance to read The Primal Blueprint, you will understand more of my concerns for your trainer's recommendations. I think I would work myself into a big stress ball if I were trying to plan all that out. The primal lifestyle is really a low-stress anf freeing way of eating. I don't ever get those panicky moments where I feel like my blood sugar is going to crash.

    I think Dr. Cordain is anti- saturated fat and after reading The Primal Blueprint as well as Good Calories/Bad Calories by Gary Taubes I now know that we don't need to be afraid of saturated fat.
  • monkeydharma
    monkeydharma Posts: 599 Member
    Recently I signed up with a Personal Trainer and he wants me to try what I thought was Paleo, but I'm a little stuck for what exactly I'm going to eat for a while. So my question is, does this sound right? Is it Paleo? Is it Primal?
    Well, it's kinda hard to tell if it's primal or paleo without knowing the foods involved. Both paleo and primal is about "whole foods, organically grown, and simply prepared" along with avoiding the post-agricultural things that we have tried to turn into 'food'.
    He wants me to eat 6 times a day
    Meal 1 - Protein, Veg, Fat
    Meal 2 - Carb (only) (but somehow LF yoghurt is a carb?)
    Meal 3 - Protein, Veg, Fat
    Meal 4 - Protein, Veg, Fat
    Meal 5 - Carb (and the suggestion is fruit)
    Meal 6 - Protein, Veg, Fat
    As Crossfitterwa stated, this doesn't strike me as paleo or primal at all. First off, paleo/primal is based on hunter/gatherer biology (pre-agricultural) and there isn't fixed times to eat - in fact, there should be fewer meals per day, eating when one is hungry until one is not hungry - and food is available.

    The 'protein/veg/fat' suggestion is meaningless without some indication of what he means. Canola oil is a fat - but it is a BAD fat. Potatoes are a 'vegetable' - but most roots are not considered primal/paleo because of the starch and carb content. And so on.

    The only way low-fat yogurt could be considered a carb is if it has sugar - which is right out. Same as fruit by itself - only natural sugars (those surrounded by a plant) is preferred, and even then in the context of other plants and animals so the the sugar absorption rate is slowed.
    This is also based on my schedule because I get up very early (5) and am on the way to work by 6.30 (and it takes me until 8.50 to get to work). He wants me to eat immediately (by 5.30) and then again around 7.30 and again at 10/12/15-16 and 19:00 when I arrive home. Honestly I have no idea how to make this work.
    Unworkable diets are....unworkable. Mini-fasts are common and normal. There are times in the day when you are hungry AND you have time to eat - that's when you SHOULD eat. 'Three squares' are an invention of the Industrial Revolution - and one of the reasons people overeat - they eat when they are 'supposed' to instead of when they are hungry, and are thus trained to ignore their body signals.
    Another question I have is - if you ate grains before, how did you replace them?
    Basically, you you 'replace' them with the other food groups: more veg, more fat, sometimes more protein. Whole foods.
    For example, my husband cooks (because of my commute) and we eat a lot of Indian food with basmati rice. Can I just replace that with cauliflower?
    Sure. Steamed, mashed and google 'cauliflower rice'. Almost any vegetable that can sit under a sauce is a candidate.
    What about Italian food - he cooks that a lot as well. I thought I could probably put my tomato-based sauce over broccoli instead of pasta but what about other things?
    Spaghetti squash, eggplant, green beans; again the options are endless.
    What about beans - considered a protein or a carb? Black/Kidney/Chick Peas/ Lentils - can I use these in my carb only meals?
    Beans (in fact, all legumes) are not a primal/paleo food. Not only are their carb and sugar levels too high, they are a prime example of a food that is inedible without all sorts of modification. Legumes are high in phytates, which is poisonous, and has to be leeched out by soaking. If you were to eat a meal of dried beans raw, it would at the very least make you sick.

    You will get all the carbs you need in the green leafy vegetables you consume. There is no need for high carb sources like grains, legumes, starchy roots or sugars.
    I'd be happy to buy a book if I knew which one it should be. I believe he's based this off of Dr. Cordain's diet. Does it sound right?
    This does not sound like anything I've read by Cordain.

    Authors to look up: Robb Wolf (paleo), Mark Sisson (primal), Steven Gundry (Diet Evolution). You can also register on Mark Sisson's site (marksdailyapple.com) and you'll get and entire 'Primal 101' series of emails from him - including eBooks about recipes and exercise.
    Thanks for putting up with my questions.

    Renée

    No problem - good fortunes on your new food adventure!
  • runlaugheatpie
    runlaugheatpie Posts: 376 Member
    thanks so much for the responses!!!

    I will be looking into this further as I want to at least have a go at changing something for the greater good of my body :)
  • MaryIM
    MaryIM Posts: 159 Member
    That was a very interesting and informative discussion for those of us relatively new to the paleo approach
  • rstefanko
    rstefanko Posts: 6 Member
    Hi Lowfatpie. I'm newer to Paleo but doing well quickly. Read any book by Robb Wolf, it will really help. If you go to his website you can download free lists for shopping, eating plans and trackers. It's really helped me out.
    Think in terms of a protein (meat or egg) and veg at every meal. If you google "the clothes make the girl" you will find a cook book with amazon meal ideas. I used nuts as snacks if needed and fruit 1x per day if you want to lose weight. 4 meals max, no no no dairy and carbs - yogurt is out of your life...sorry.
    When is comes to indian...and we eat it a ton...I put my coconut curry chicken on a bed of fresh broccoli slaw. The hot sauce softens the broccoli just enough and it tastes great! The cook book I recommended has a recipe for cauliflower rice and cauliflower mashed potatoes that works nice...but I have IBS so it makes me well...gassy.
    Glad you're hear and wish you all the support and luck ever!
  • GalaxyDuck
    GalaxyDuck Posts: 406 Member
    Well Fed is my FAVORITE paleo cookbook. Everything I have made from it has turned out awesome and been in high demand since. I think I probably have all of the "paleo/primal" cookbooks that are available now, and this one is truly worth it.

    The other one I would recommend highly is Paleo Comfort Foods. It's a little more on the basic, common recipes side, but there are still some great finds in there. Other than that, there are a TON of paleo/primal recipes online for free which I've used for inspiration and tried with varying degrees of success.
  • twinmom01
    twinmom01 Posts: 854 Member
    Others have explained that unless you know what you are eating in terms of meat, veggies, fat it is hard to know...

    Eating on a "set" scheduale doesn't work and really is not needed unless you are a high caliber athalete in training...

    As far as a typical meal - yes Protien, Veggie, Fat is a good way to think about things...

    As for get up and go in the morning - that is what I have to do - I made a batch of Meat Muffins (using ground turkey) from Well Fed - http://www.theclothesmakethegirl.com/2012/02/14/vday-gift-for-you-meat-spinach-muffins/ - so i grab one of those and 2 hard boiled eggs + some coffee = Breakfast...

    Since I work away from home - what I have been doing is making sure I cook enough every night to have a serving for lunch...and then I snack of various things throughout the day if i am hungry - my go to snack is Raw Almonds, but I also snack on baby carrots, cucumbers, peppers, strawberries...
  • runlaugheatpie
    runlaugheatpie Posts: 376 Member
    thanks again for the feedback! I'm going to check for the books now online.

    My trainer DOES want me to eat 2x a day only carb, no combination with protein, veg and fat. This week has been a lot better than last week for sure. I have actually lost weight since I started and that's not happened in a long time...
  • monkeydharma
    monkeydharma Posts: 599 Member
    thanks again for the feedback! I'm going to check for the books now online.

    My trainer DOES want me to eat 2x a day only carb, no combination with protein, veg and fat. This week has been a lot better than last week for sure. I have actually lost weight since I started and that's not happened in a long time...

    hadn't thought to ask this but: what are you training FOR? If you are a high-level athlete, then most of our advice may not apply, because your energy draw while competing might be way out there. But if you are a 'regular' exerciser, I still think the trainer is giving you bum advice - or at the very least, it's advice tailored to the competing athlete.
  • dennydifferent
    dennydifferent Posts: 135 Member
    So the carb "meals" aren't timed around your workouts? I would have thought that as a trainer that's what his thinking would have been, carbs to either fuel or recover.

    Like others I can't see the benefit of a random carb meal. Most odd. It sounds a little like one of those food combining diets, you know, can't eat fat with fruit, or can't eat fruit with protein.
  • runlaugheatpie
    runlaugheatpie Posts: 376 Member
    thanks again for the feedback! I'm going to check for the books now online.

    My trainer DOES want me to eat 2x a day only carb, no combination with protein, veg and fat. This week has been a lot better than last week for sure. I have actually lost weight since I started and that's not happened in a long time...

    hadn't thought to ask this but: what are you training FOR? If you are a high-level athlete, then most of our advice may not apply, because your energy draw while competing might be way out there. But if you are a 'regular' exerciser, I still think the trainer is giving you bum advice - or at the very least, it's advice tailored to the competing athlete.

    well, I'm usually a runner and want to become stronger and fitter and better in that area (not long distances, so not really marathon, but half and 10 mile). So I don't consider myself a super athlete but I am very active (I also do some long(er)distance cycling but not competitively or Tour de France like) and I am trying to lose a little bit of weight but mostly gain strength and muscle.

    does that make any sense or do I sound like a tw*t?
  • runlaugheatpie
    runlaugheatpie Posts: 376 Member
    So the carb "meals" aren't timed around your workouts? I would have thought that as a trainer that's what his thinking would have been, carbs to either fuel or recover.

    Like others I can't see the benefit of a random carb meal. Most odd. It sounds a little like one of those food combining diets, you know, can't eat fat with fruit, or can't eat fruit with protein.

    I think it has something to do with evening out my insulin? and to be honest, now that I'm trying this a few weeks I am less hungry throughout the day. Coincidence? I don't know.
  • monkeydharma
    monkeydharma Posts: 599 Member
    I think it has something to do with evening out my insulin? and to be honest, now that I'm trying this a few weeks I am less hungry throughout the day. Coincidence? I don't know.

    Well, if you are eating truly paleo/primal, avoiding grains and sugars - there shouldn't be any insulin spikes or dips to worry about. You get those as a part of a 'normal' diet. Your diet should be low carb - with those carbs coming mostly from leafy green sources. Roots should be avoided; the healthiest roots like sweet potatoes should be eatien sparingly. Same with fruit - stick with the lower-glycemic ones like berries, and avoid the higher ones like pineapple and melons. Do not use any sugar unless it has a fruit around it. Not only do agave, honey, etc act in the body the same as sugar - stevia and other artificial sweeteners also produce an insulin response (even though there are no sugars to actually process). If you are using artificial sweeteners - THIS may be why your trainer is giving you carbs to 'burn it off'.

    And yes - eating a high fat/protein, low carb diet results in less hunger during the day. That was mostly being caused by insulin spikes and drops - when it drops, the body starts screeching for more 'food' (meaning 'carbs/sugars') for the insulin to process.
  • runlaugheatpie
    runlaugheatpie Posts: 376 Member
    I read about the preferred fruits on Robb Wolf's FAQ's - so I switched from bananas to strawberries, blueberries.
    I don't use sugar or sweeteners at all - or rather let's say occassionally I would use a teaspoon of honey and I have some apple "syrup" in my cupboard as well, but honestly I'm not a "sweet" person, I'm more a savoury type. I don't even drink soda - maybe I have one or two cans of diet coke a month (if that, it just depends on if I'm out and not drinking alcohol, then I want a change to water).

    what about coffee? trainer says not to have more than 2 per day because of the insulin spike it can cause (?), but others say coffee is fine. I work for a coffee company and happen to also love (black) espresso, do I really need to avoid? Is this more for sleep issues? I stop with caffeine after lunch (one double espresso usually after I eat).
  • monkeydharma
    monkeydharma Posts: 599 Member
    I've never heard of coffee causing an insulin spike - maybe someone else has knowledge of that. I already limit myself to one cup a day - but that's more for a medical issue I have.
  • MikeFlyMike
    MikeFlyMike Posts: 639 Member
    that is a brand new one to me also.
    I know MDA says "some" is ok.
    I do have 3 sometimes 4 coffees a day and it doesn't seem to impair my progress.

    mind you it isn't a latte with syrup - it is black without anything.
  • crossfitterwahine
    crossfitterwahine Posts: 61 Member
    I have heard that before, but never seen any research on it. I enjoy 2 cups of regular and 1 decaf a day. With coconut milk and coconut oil. Ahhhh....I love my life!
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