Apparently weight lifting has different types

gemiwing
gemiwing Posts: 1,525 Member
Like with running- it turns out there are different ways to lift weights depending on your goals.

I have been lifting weights the way I was taught years ago (prolly how most of us casual lifters learned) by a personal trainer-
Pick a weight, count to three on the rise- hold for one- count to three on the way down.
Do a few sets but do about ten reps per set.

Why did I never see the results I wanted from this method?
I wanted to get stronger and sleeker- I was ending up puffy. NOT the look I was going for.

Turns out I was lifting for something called 'hypertrophy'- it's how body builders lift to increase size. Great if you want to be a bikini model or male body model- this isn't my goal. I just want power :D I'm power-hungry apparently! Who knew?

So I'm changing how I'm lifting- I'm going for power now-
Lifting between 85-95% of my maximum, three second TOTAL lfit/drop time (no slow and then rest). I'm going to do lower reps in less sets and rest for three minutes between them. Maybe longer.

This should help my tape measure start shrinking and my strength to increase- which is what I want! I want to carry groceries, pick up kidlets and not miss a beat! Who knows- I might even enter a powerlifting competition someday!! :D Or do a caber toss! Skies the limit!

So maybe some other people are having some difficulty not seeing the results they want from the type of weight lifting they are doing- thought I would share. Weight lifting is like running- everyone assumes they know how to do it and few take the time to research HOW to do it for the results they want. I know I assumed!

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  • 31prvrbs
    31prvrbs Posts: 687 Member
    Yep, there are different types of lifting. Endurance, Hypertrophy, and Strength

    But, fyi, powerlifting (aka staying in the "strength" zone) will get you more "puffy" than hypertrophy. So, I wouldn't stay there forever if looking sleed and toned is your goal. Powerlifters typically carry *much* more fat than their bodybuilding/ fitness model counterparts.

    The best method is actually "periodization" where you rotate between all 3 methods. You can spend more time in the one that you prefer (I prefer Power/Strength, as well), but still work in the others to achieve the body you desire. Like this month I'm doing endurance, which I hate, but it is a necessary evil, so I include it a couple times/year. Last month I did hypertrophy, the month before was strength, etc.
  • Interesting... had no clue there were 3 different types. I've been swapping between 5reps/5 sets and 8-10reps/3 sets for a couple months now.

    Definitely need to do more research because I really don't want to be "puffy". I want to look sleek and toned!!
  • 2012asv
    2012asv Posts: 702 Member
    Wow, I didnt know there were different classifications of lifting... what is the main difference between the three??
  • MichelleRenee13
    MichelleRenee13 Posts: 363 Member
    Heck, I am just now starting body weight lifting. I am confused by what is to come....lol
  • gemiwing
    gemiwing Posts: 1,525 Member
    Yep, there are different types of lifting. Endurance, Hypertrophy, and Strength

    But, fyi, powerlifting (aka staying in the "strength" zone) will get you more "puffy" than hypertrophy. So, I wouldn't stay there forever if looking sleed and toned is your goal. Powerlifters typically carry *much* more fat than their bodybuilding/ fitness model counterparts.

    The best method is actually "periodization" where you rotate between all 3 methods. You can spend more time in the one that you prefer (I prefer Power/Strength, as well), but still work in the others to achieve the body you desire. Like this month I'm doing endurance, which I hate, but it is a necessary evil, so I include it a couple times/year. Last month I did hypertrophy, the month before was strength, etc.

    My plan was to do three days a week- one day strength, one day stretching and light kettlebell movement, finally a third day of more 'relaxed' (it feels easier to me anyway) typical bodybuilding. Is that an ok plan or should it be more month to month of only one type?

    I get bored easy so wonder about my mental state if I have a full month of tons of reps with lightish weights.

    Also - I'm not really going for 'sleek' or the jillian michaels look- I want to be strong and powerful. Whatever size I end up as- I'm fine with. Just want to be more healthy than I am now y'know?
  • 31prvrbs
    31prvrbs Posts: 687 Member
    @witrixie- what you are doing is fine. You're essentially switching between hypertrophy and strength. Both are beneficial. You may want to throw in some sets of 12-15 on occasion, to build up the endurance in the muscle to be able to progressively carry the heavier loads that you'll use in your regular training. You could even combine them within the same workout. For instance, when doing 3 sets of 8-10, immediately following your 3rd set, grab a lighter weight and just go to failure, as many as you can do...


    @2012asv- The three types of training all serve distinct purposes, and all are useful, regardless of your goal. Many people just have a preference of one over another, so it's just important to remember to throw in the others from time to time to, so that your body doesn't adapt.

    Endurance- (12+ reps, very little rest in between sets @ 60-70% of your max) build up the endurance in smaller muscles to be able to carry heavier loads when training in other types of training. For instance, often a person cannot increase their weights on certain back exercises because their forearms burn out before the larger muscle (back) does. Building up endurance in the forearm, can help this. Also, because the reps/sets are faster paced, this type of training often gets your heart rate up like an aerobic endurance exercise would. But you cannot build muscle in this rep range. Just endurance, think Jillian Michaels type workouts.

    Hypertrophy - (8-12 reps, 45-60 seconds of rest between sets, @70-80% of max) - this is where size is added to the muscle. This is the rep range that many body builders, and fitness models stay in the majority of the time, as they will see more muscle "pump" and this is the phase that muscles are tearing and repairing bigger and stronger (not huge, just bigger than it was before). This is where the most muscle growth hormone is recruited (right around the 8-10 rep range to be more precise). New Rules of Lifting for Women kinda centers on this range.

    Strength- (below 8 reps, 60-90 seconds or more of rest between sets, @80+ percent of max) - this is where the 5x5 method and other such methods come into play. This is where you develop explosive strength, like that of a powerlifter, etc. Strength is important, obviously because as we age, we lose quite a bit of it, and we all want our muscles to be able to support us and our bones as we age, so that we don't become so easily injured. Powerlifting, which does not allow for sufficient time to activate all motor units in an orderly fashion, diminishes the hormonal adaptations of the muscle fibers. (geek talk for it doesn't last long enough to force the actual size of the muscle fibers to change, so although strength is of the utmost importance, we can't expect it to change our bodies the same way that hypertrophy training will). The way to get the best of strength training, and try to incorporate the benefits of hypertrophy, would be to achieve 80+% of your max (strength loads) at that same 8-10 reps (hypertrophy rep amount).

    @gemiwing- best results come when you can dedicate any length of time to your particular "cycle," month cycles work for me, maybe they don't for you. You could try it weekly, or see how the day to day change works for you. In my experience, having completely different goals from one day to the next, does work as far as keeping boredom at bay, and keeping one active in order to keep the weight loss/other changes occurring in the body, but as time progresses, it is not really specific training. This is fine if you're just doing a basic body recompostion, or are just trying to maintain, or simply want to "keep the body guessing." When a person decides that they want a specific result, then a deeper level of more focused periodization should occur. I typically recommend this when a person tells me "I wanna look ripped" or "my muscles never show" or "my upper body looks this way, and my lower looks this way, how can I even them out?" (or change some other feature of themselves, which is, in effect what bodybuilding is all about. literally "building" the body you want)
  • ReneeClaireR
    ReneeClaireR Posts: 25 Member
    Yep, there are different types of lifting. Endurance, Hypertrophy, and Strength

    But, fyi, powerlifting (aka staying in the "strength" zone) will get you more "puffy" than hypertrophy. So, I wouldn't stay there forever if looking sleed and toned is your goal. Powerlifters typically carry *much* more fat than their bodybuilding/ fitness model counterparts.

    The best method is actually "periodization" where you rotate between all 3 methods. You can spend more time in the one that you prefer (I prefer Power/Strength, as well), but still work in the others to achieve the body you desire. Like this month I'm doing endurance, which I hate, but it is a necessary evil, so I include it a couple times/year. Last month I did hypertrophy, the month before was strength, etc.

    Hmmmm...sts?!?! ;)
  • 31prvrbs
    31prvrbs Posts: 687 Member


    Hmmmm...sts?!?! ;)

    Exactly, now you see why I love it. :D It does all the thinking for you. I hated trying to figure out my own periodization...
  • gemiwing
    gemiwing Posts: 1,525 Member
    @gemiwing- best results come when you can dedicate any length of time to your particular "cycle," month cycles work for me, maybe they don't for you. You could try it weekly, or see how the day to day change works for you. In my experience, having completely different goals from one day to the next, does work as far as keeping boredom at bay, and keeping one active in order to keep the weight loss/other changes occurring in the body, but as time progresses, it is not really specific training. This is fine if you're just doing a basic body recompostion, or are just trying to maintain, or simply want to "keep the body guessing." When a person decides that they want a specific result, then a deeper level of more focused periodization should occur. I typically recommend this when a person tells me "I wanna look ripped" or "my muscles never show" or "my upper body looks this way, and my lower looks this way, how can I even them out?" (or change some other feature of themselves, which is, in effect what bodybuilding is all about. literally "building" the body you want)

    thanks for the reply- def appreciate your input on this! I guess right now I'm so focused on power and strength because I've not been out of my wheelchair very long- I'm desperate to be able to walk and stand like TAB (temporarily able-bodied) people do. It's amazing to feel my legs work- even just getting up from the floor is exciting.

    I like the idea of combining the bits I love (strength) with the bits that bore the crap outta me (bodylifting high reps). Then I can sneak it in on myself till I have a more firm goal.

    My first goal was walking and I've done that. Next goal is being able to stand up all day like TABs do. Then- I wanna run and turns out I like playing soccer so might look into that- WHOLE nother kind of training there :D

    Thanks again for your help- I really do appreciate it!!
  • oonga
    oonga Posts: 336 Member
    So doing things like supersets with 12 reps, 3 sets of push ups, tricep dips, step ups, lunges etc is in the endurance category?
    I use small handweights *cough* 2kg, which yesterday i realised is way too easy and i am being lazy not getting heavier ones!
    Not sure do i just go straight to 5kg or get 4kg ones instead.

    What about Kettlebells which is mostly intervals of about 2 minutes, 30 seconds on about 4 different exercises then about 1 to 2 min rest. Using bells between 8kg and 12kg? Is that endurance as well?

    I was thinking that doing the kettlebells is probably what has built up my strength so that the 2kg dumbells are easy!

    Also what do you mean by the maximum percentage figures?

    I just can't do the gym thing, i have tried at all different types of gyms and its just not for me :( But love getting out to the oval with the dogs and doing workouts LOL Obviously though i cant be carrying around big weights hahaha
  • 31prvrbs
    31prvrbs Posts: 687 Member
    So doing things like supersets with 12 reps, 3 sets of push ups, tricep dips, step ups, lunges etc is in the endurance category?
    I use small handweights *cough* 2kg, which yesterday i realised is way too easy and i am being lazy not getting heavier ones!
    Not sure do i just go straight to 5kg or get 4kg ones instead.

    What about Kettlebells which is mostly intervals of about 2 minutes, 30 seconds on about 4 different exercises then about 1 to 2 min rest. Using bells between 8kg and 12kg? Is that endurance as well?

    I was thinking that doing the kettlebells is probably what has built up my strength so that the 2kg dumbells are easy!

    Also what do you mean by the maximum percentage figures?

    I just can't do the gym thing, i have tried at all different types of gyms and its just not for me :( But love getting out to the oval with the dogs and doing workouts LOL Obviously though i cant be carrying around big weights hahaha

    Well, I work out exclusively from home, so I see no problem with that ;)

    Yes, once you get to 12+ reps, you're working purely endurance. So no muscle growth will happen there (providing you'd like it to, lol). Since muscle is what changes our shape, I'd suggest trying to build some, lol. I'd probably skip straight to 5kg, because it gives you something to work toward. To give yourself an idea of what your max % is, pick a weight that you think that you can do for 10 reps on any given exercise. Then perform as many reps as you possibly can w/that weight (it will likely be more than 10, but on occasion, we hit it right on the head). If you hit exactly 10 reps, that is 75% of your 1 rep max (1RM). If you hit, say only 6 reps, that is about 85% of your 1RM. If you can only do 1 rep, then that amount is your one rep max.

    It seems kinda confusing, but essentially, what ever rep range you're working in, you should not be able to go on and do tons more reps after the "allotted" reps. So if you're working in the 8-10 reps, you should not be able to do 12 reps. Your 9th rep should be a struggle, and the 10th near impossible. Once you can do more than the reps you've prescribed for yourself (consistently, not just one "strong" day), go up in weight. So when you're at the store checking out weights, that's a good way to see which one to pick. If you plan on being around 10 reps or so, then buy a weight that you can only do maybe 7 reps w/now, so that you can progress with it over time. Once you start reaching the end of the rep range, either move to a new rep range, or go up in weight ;)

    Kiki
  • jae6704
    jae6704 Posts: 458 Member
    So doing things like supersets with 12 reps, 3 sets of push ups, tricep dips, step ups, lunges etc is in the endurance category?
    I use small handweights *cough* 2kg, which yesterday i realised is way too easy and i am being lazy not getting heavier ones!
    Not sure do i just go straight to 5kg or get 4kg ones instead.

    What about Kettlebells which is mostly intervals of about 2 minutes, 30 seconds on about 4 different exercises then about 1 to 2 min rest. Using bells between 8kg and 12kg? Is that endurance as well?

    I was thinking that doing the kettlebells is probably what has built up my strength so that the 2kg dumbells are easy!

    Also what do you mean by the maximum percentage figures?


    I just can't do the gym thing, i have tried at all different types of gyms and its just not for me :( But love getting out to the oval with the dogs and doing workouts LOL Obviously though i cant be carrying around big weights hahaha



    I love kettlebells and it is a great work out, but on anouther note. I love your pic. I (Heart) Rotties, had one for 16 years, and now have a rottie pit bull,,,,:heart:
  • oonga
    oonga Posts: 336 Member
    WOW thats a great guide 31prvrbs!!! Thanks! I will do that for sure!
    I am even starting to wonder if its worth getting like a small and large barbell so i can just add those weight disc things to it??
    Then i could do my running and resistance stuff at the oval, like my push ups etc
    Anything that requires hand held weights I can do at home??

    Do you do much of a warm up with your weight training?? I mean cardio type warm up? Or mostly stretch type warm up?


    jae6704 thank you :D It was so cute the other day! I was at the baseball oval and i was doing step ups on the bench there, holding my little 2kg dumbell in each hand and the female Rotty was running around the oval with a baseball she had found, the younger male was doing a commando crawl under the bench i was doing the step us on, back and forth, back and forth the length of the bench commando crawl, really fast too LOL Wish i had a video to tape us working out as a team ROFL

    16 years wow that is an awesome age for a Rotty!!! I know of a put bull here her name is Honey and she adores people!!! Such a show off too LOL My female Rotty her two best buddies are Staffodshire Bull Terriers :D So when we come across a bully breed of any type she tries to tell me she needs to say hello! LOL
  • 31prvrbs
    31prvrbs Posts: 687 Member
    WOW thats a great guide 31prvrbs!!! Thanks! I will do that for sure!
    I am even starting to wonder if its worth getting like a small and large barbell so i can just add those weight disc things to it??
    Then i could do my running and resistance stuff at the oval, like my push ups etc
    Anything that requires hand held weights I can do at home??

    Do you do much of a warm up with your weight training?? I mean cardio type warm up? Or mostly stretch type warm up?

    If you plan on working out at home long term, then the more weight choices you have, the better. You will be constantly adapting and getting stronger, and needing more of a challenge. As you can see the dumbbell that I'm holding in my hand in my avatar is adjustable, I have several weight plates that I can put on it to make sure that each body part is challenged. I also have a barbell that has similar sized holes that the same weights can be put on when I want to use the barbell instead. Those two things are what I started off with. Then I progressed, as you can see if you look in my profile to a wider variety of "set weight" dumbbells as well. And I also have an Olympic sized barbell and weight bench now, as my weight loads are even heavier now (the barbell alone, w/no plates added, is 45#). I posted a pic of my weight bench somewhere, but I can't locate the thread, so I'll try to attach it again, so that you can see what I mean.


    I also have an elliptical machine as well as a spin bike. I do perform pretty dynamic warmups before lifting weights in order to prevent injury. 5-10 minutes cardio type warmup should be sufficient. Then I stretch thoroughly afterward. I also do a lot of working out to DVDs by Cathe Friedrich which usually have a thorough warm-up, cool-down, and stretch (with weights in-between).

    Here's an example of the dumbbell that I started with, I also purchased a longer barbell that the same weight plates could fit on:
    http://www.walmart.com/ip/CAP-Barbell-40-lb.-Adjustable-Cast-Iron-Dumbbell-Set/17217217


    There are also more pics in my profile of my current dumbbell set. But here is my current barbell set up:

    gym.jpg

    ~Kiki
  • bushidowoman
    bushidowoman Posts: 1,599 Member
    bump
  • oonga
    oonga Posts: 336 Member
    Thanks Kiki!!

    I was looking at those hand held barbells on an online shop yesterday! I thought they would be the best option really.
    I found a cheap one in BIG W that had plates up to 20Kg, though i think i am better off with a long barbell as well.

    Yep we have a spin bike so i can use that to warm up! I forgot about it! It's my partners, i hate it, but will be good for warming up!

    Thank you again for your patience and time!!! :)
  • @witrixie- what you are doing is fine. You're essentially switching between hypertrophy and strength. Both are beneficial. You may want to throw in some sets of 12-15 on occasion, to build up the endurance in the muscle to be able to progressively carry the heavier loads that you'll use in your regular training. You could even combine them within the same workout. For instance, when doing 3 sets of 8-10, immediately following your 3rd set, grab a lighter weight and just go to failure, as many as you can do...

    Thanks for the advice!!! I tried what you recommended in today's workout... and let me tell you, I definitely felt the burn today.

    I'm really trying to push myself to lift heavy but had to back down a little because I was getting sloppy on my form. I'm definitely going to start working on endurance and this will help the routines from getting stale. Thanks again!!