Newbie wondering why no peas on paleo?
Rosy67
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I've just come across the Paleo diet books by Wolff and Cordain, and I'm really excited. I know from experimenting with Atkins and Low GL diets that I feel much better when my insulin is stable and I'm not on a sugar rollercoaster. For me, there isn't much difference between eating wholemeal bread and a mars bar in the effect it has on my appetite and energy levels. Even porridge (oatmeal) makes me hungry 90 mins later.
In a way, finding out that I'm not eating the stuff I was designed to eat by my genes suddenly makes everything fall into place. I've never seen the need to cut out dairy before, as I've never noticed any problems, but salted butter is definitely one of my weak points. So I'm really up for giving paleo a go.
I have one big question though. Why no peas?- particularly the small ones like mangetout/ sugarsnap that can be eaten raw?
The books don't say why no legumes, and the answer I found on t'internet for not eating root veg and legumes was that paleolithic man discovered fire quite late in the period, and therefore for most of his 2 million years wouldn't have been able to eat anything that couldn't be eaten raw. But mangetout etc can be.
This question makes a big difference, because peas are a big deal in our family- favourite veg along with broccoli- and it might be a non-starter from the kids point of view (not to mention no bread, no cheerios, no sweets on Mondays!!!!).
We currently eat a 'healthy' UK pyramid style diet, (which is very similar to the US one) and I'm wondering if anyone has any experience of moving a family over to paleo. My husband and I are both doctors (he's a GP, I'm a psych) so I should be able to persuade him via the science, but the kids are a different matter. 17 year old son, doesn't like meat much although OK with fruit and some veg. Eats a ton of unhealthy stuff outside the home, I'm sure. Loves his oj. But he's 5ft 11 1/2ins and desperate to get to 6 foot, so I've already told him paleo man was taller than neolithic man ....Daughter, 15, has a learning disability and is obese in spite of only having 'healthy' foods available at home and packed lunch at school. She'll eat everything put in front of her but will choose carbs over meat every time, and loves her diet soda. I think she'll benefit most from this if I can pull it off. Youngest son is 9, won't touch fruit (apart from the odd rare banana) although will eat peas, broccoli and carrots without undue pressure. He loves meat (thank heaven), and sweets/ ice-cream. He will only drink water, rather amazingly. I should be grateful.
I'm thinking about buying tons more lean meat and fish so there's always leftovers in the fridge to snack on, and keeping salads made up and available at all times. Then if I gradually buy less and less bread, breakfast cereal, 'forget' to buy sugar when it runs out (youngest puts it on porridge for breakfast) with an 'Oh sorry, I forgot. Shall I do you some scrambled egg instead? Or there's some lamb from yesterday leftover if you want? That kind of thing. They don't react well to the 'Right, mum's done some more reading about what's healthy (*resounding groan from the rest of the dinner table*) and we're going to be eating like this from now on because blah blah blah' so I'm going to try the under the radar approach. After all, they all eat wholemeal pasta without even realising now, in spite of it being reviled as the devil's food when I first bought it.
Any other suggestions/ comments?
Ros x
In a way, finding out that I'm not eating the stuff I was designed to eat by my genes suddenly makes everything fall into place. I've never seen the need to cut out dairy before, as I've never noticed any problems, but salted butter is definitely one of my weak points. So I'm really up for giving paleo a go.
I have one big question though. Why no peas?- particularly the small ones like mangetout/ sugarsnap that can be eaten raw?
The books don't say why no legumes, and the answer I found on t'internet for not eating root veg and legumes was that paleolithic man discovered fire quite late in the period, and therefore for most of his 2 million years wouldn't have been able to eat anything that couldn't be eaten raw. But mangetout etc can be.
This question makes a big difference, because peas are a big deal in our family- favourite veg along with broccoli- and it might be a non-starter from the kids point of view (not to mention no bread, no cheerios, no sweets on Mondays!!!!).
We currently eat a 'healthy' UK pyramid style diet, (which is very similar to the US one) and I'm wondering if anyone has any experience of moving a family over to paleo. My husband and I are both doctors (he's a GP, I'm a psych) so I should be able to persuade him via the science, but the kids are a different matter. 17 year old son, doesn't like meat much although OK with fruit and some veg. Eats a ton of unhealthy stuff outside the home, I'm sure. Loves his oj. But he's 5ft 11 1/2ins and desperate to get to 6 foot, so I've already told him paleo man was taller than neolithic man ....Daughter, 15, has a learning disability and is obese in spite of only having 'healthy' foods available at home and packed lunch at school. She'll eat everything put in front of her but will choose carbs over meat every time, and loves her diet soda. I think she'll benefit most from this if I can pull it off. Youngest son is 9, won't touch fruit (apart from the odd rare banana) although will eat peas, broccoli and carrots without undue pressure. He loves meat (thank heaven), and sweets/ ice-cream. He will only drink water, rather amazingly. I should be grateful.
I'm thinking about buying tons more lean meat and fish so there's always leftovers in the fridge to snack on, and keeping salads made up and available at all times. Then if I gradually buy less and less bread, breakfast cereal, 'forget' to buy sugar when it runs out (youngest puts it on porridge for breakfast) with an 'Oh sorry, I forgot. Shall I do you some scrambled egg instead? Or there's some lamb from yesterday leftover if you want? That kind of thing. They don't react well to the 'Right, mum's done some more reading about what's healthy (*resounding groan from the rest of the dinner table*) and we're going to be eating like this from now on because blah blah blah' so I'm going to try the under the radar approach. After all, they all eat wholemeal pasta without even realising now, in spite of it being reviled as the devil's food when I first bought it.
Any other suggestions/ comments?
Ros x
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I have no experience in switching over a family as I am single with no kids but I say kudos to you! I have found that the 80/20 rule has worked in my favor.....I'm as good as possible all week, and if I go out to dinner or something I don't feel so guilty having a drink or something a little off the plan. Mayb keeping the family as strict as possible and then being slightly more forgiving on the weekend would work well....we all know that once there is a "NO EAT" list that's what tempts us the most! Wish I could help more or explain some of the why's for the legumes but I find some of the science loses me too quick. Perhaps the Weston A Price foundation (google search) will have more answers for you....I for one never had issues with milk and because of WAP I am a complete raw milk convert! Good luck!0
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I wish you the best of luck with this...I can`t get my wife and 2 girls to go anywhere near my way of eating..
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Hey Rosy, here is a link to Mark's Daily Apple, where he discusses green peas and green beans. I think this is just the info you're looking for. I would go ahead and keep serving them, especially if they're a family favorite.
http://www.marksdailyapple.com/are-peas-and-green-beans-healthy/#axzz1sha3ugVv0 -
Some people will allow sugar snap peas
I'm in the UK and my whole family has moved to Paleo now. The Everyday Paleo book was a massive massive help, also the fact that my son is only 5 and dairy allergic anyway also went in our favour, he loves dinosaurs so we sold it like that lol. He has packed lunch and he's having cucumber sticks, carrot sticks and dip, I've made some muffins for him, and trail mix, beef jerky and he loves lamb so that's an easy one!
You don't eat much fruit in Paleo anyway so don't worry about your son, obviously I don't know your daughters condition but is it likely that she will forget about carby stuff if it's just not available?
My son and husband have replaced white potatoes with sweet potatoes and have found they prefer those. I'm not eating them as I have considerable weight to lose at the moment. We've done all the variations we would do with normal potatoes with them and the boys report they are happy.
The 17 year old, he's tricky, if he lives with you & you prepare his food then I would say he's nearly an adult there isn't much you can do but I wouldn't be cooking him a different meal!
Like I said, Everyday Paleo has a massive section about moving your family across, maybe get him to read that and understand why you would like this for him.
On a different subject I'm just about to train as a mental health nurse and I'm so excited to be part of medicine. I've worked in Mental Health for a long time so it's exciting to start actually working in a hands on capacity!0 -
I wish you the best of luck with this...I can`t get my wife and 2 girls to go anywhere near my way of eating..
Be interesting to see the comments off all the anti primal/paleo posters..
Not likely to be many in the Paleo group lol.0 -
I love your psychological approach to weaning the kids off the bad and onto the good. My son is very much enjoying my change from vegetarian to paleo, though the vegan daughter is glaring at me all the time... she's moving to go to grad school soon though! There is no changing her mind so we just deal with it. LOL.
I have no recommendations as I've just been moving over to this for awhile, but recently purchased Mark Sisson's 21 Day Total Body Transformation aka The Primal Blueprint. AM gearing up to start this on Monday! Primal is the focus of this. (I eat butter, but have long preferred coconut milk and such over dairy.)
I don't know about the peas... good question though! I love sugarsnaps.0 -
Hey Rosy, here is a link to Mark's Daily Apple, where he discusses green peas and green beans. I think this is just the info you're looking for. I would go ahead and keep serving them, especially if they're a family favorite.
http://www.marksdailyapple.com/are-peas-and-green-beans-healthy/#axzz1sha3ugVv
Thanks MrsAbles- that's really helpful! I've added daily apple to my favourites and I signed up for the newsletter too. So, what I gather is that all pulses have harmful lecithins like grains too, but the ones in pulses that can be eaten raw don't seem to be so nasty as the sort of dried beans you have to soak then boil to make edible. Yay! Mangetout, here I come!
Ceegray, I will definitely be having a look at his books as well. Good luck for Monday x
Weightwars, nice to see a fellow UKer on the paleo thread! Ordering Everyday Paleo from amazon now- sounds just the job! Good luck with the RMN stuff I'm wondering whether to try and do some research on NHS hospital diets and mental health:frown:0 -
I want to focus on nutrition and fitness as a way to good mental health, mostly working with young people and young offenders in forensic mental health. I'm so excited!
It's hard getting good stuff in the UK. I just downloaded stuff on Kindle - there is one UK paleo book. I'm thinking on working on one though, there seems to be more and more interest in the UK and I love to cook!0 -
As far as family and paleo - I have 2 almost 11 year old girls and have choosen not to force them to eat the way i eat...My husband for the most part just goes with the flow...and eats mostly Primal with me now...
I had horrible food issues growing up being forced to eat things which in turn made me wind up binging on junk stuff...
I do control what I buy and bring in the house though...we still have things like pasta and pudding that they eat - but my girls are on the thin side and get a fair amount of exercise in a day so I don't worry about that...
My goal is when I make things I ask them to try it...sometimes they have liked what I have made and will eat it up - other times...no go...I want them to see my husband and I choosing to eat something and follow our lead...rather then me forcing it on them which could backfire on me....
If there are certain things you don't want in your house then don't buy them...I don't know when the last time I bought sugar was...I want to say maybe 3-4 months ago and when I did I bought a small canister of it and not a 5 lb bag...
I keep lots of fresh fruits and veggies in my house - both my girls have orthodontia right now so it is hard for them to eat things they like (like Apples and baby carrots) - so right now I am spending a bit more money to have things like blackberries in my house for them to munch on. We get good lunch meat or buy a rotisserie chicken to have on hand so if they get hungry they can grab some meat or chicken and chow down.
As far as peas goes...we have them in our house as they are one of my daughters favorites...as far as kids go and Paleo - right now I would much rather them choose to have healthier stuff then worry about if it is Paleo at this point in thier lives.0