How do Conservatives View Justice Roberts?
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I think he is another justice who is to young an immature and he has been fooled into thinking that the Supreme court is an equal branch and that by ruling that the Law is upheld as a tax he is writing the law from the bench.
Judges dont write law they read it. He has done a very dangerous thing. If reading was all he had done he would have voted the other way because making the law something it was written to be (a tax) after the fact does not make it a law.
But his ruling doesn't affect or change the implementation, so how is that "making" or "writing" the law? This man who has earned his way up to the supreme court (not an easy task) is now too young and immature and was fooled becasue he didn't vote how you think he should? This man who actually sat through the hearing and I am willing to bet has a better academic and working knowledge of the constituiton than you do, since that is his job.
Just say what Romney says "It may be constitutional but that does not make it a good law". I disagree of course.
non elected officials shoudl never be allowed to hold our future so easily in their hands Not an Equal branch
What makes you think that the highest court of the land, that operates under different guidelines than any other court, should have justices that are elected by popular vote of the nation? But let's be realistic, every time we put someone in the Executive and Legislative branches, we affect who gets put in the Judicial branch. Voting does play a part even if it's not direct.0 -
He ruled that way because he ruled on it as legal because its a tax and congress can compel people to pay taxes on anything according to him ....Yet still today the Obama administration is flat out claiming this is not a tax. so if its not and its not written as a tax Roberts ruled wrong. Its not rocket science. He is trying to make what is illegal legal.
tomato tomatoe, potato potatoe. Semantics. The IRS will be the one enforcing the mandate/collecting taxes. It's a tax. I think justice Roberts explained his opinion pretty well. Besides no politician wants to be on record with the words "raising taxes". As I said, simply say you don't like the law or it's a bad one. The constitutionality question as been answered, and I don't see the point in insulting those with the expertise to answer the question.Oh one more thing SCOTUS dont earn their way to that position they get appointed. Look at Kagan she has absolutely no business being a justice. Anyone can get apppointed to SCOTUS... non elected officials shoudl never be allowed to hold our future so easily in their hands Not an Equal branch
Well I disagree. My education is not in law, I have no experience working as a judge. I am pretty sure there is no chance I will be nominated to be any kind of appointed judge. Of the thousands of people who are judges, only a select few will ever get nominated. I dare say the best of the best. So to me that is earned. And personally, i prefer them appointed and not elected, because it reduces the likelihood of them being more concerned with their reelection than with what is right and just. (I.e. congress) Justice Roberts just proved to me that he values his position, the law, and the constitution more than his personal beliefs (assuming here as I don't know his personal beliefs).0 -
Judges dont write law they read it.
Yes, but not far enough. Judges do and have always done so much more. They interpret and then enforce/or not enforce the law. The Supreme Court, via their majority ruling interpretations, make laws valid or not by their very interpretations. A rule may be written down by congress, it may express the will of the whoever, it may be justified by logic or approved by custom, but if courts will not enforce it, it is not the law and lawyers who bet their cases on it will lose.
This whole debate about expanding healthcare (it's mind-boggling that some people would not want equal access for its citizenry) can recover itself when it ceases to be a device for maintaining class bias and becomes a method for dealing with the problems of all the nations people, in whatever class.
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I think he is another justice who is to young an immature and he has been fooled into thinking that the Supreme court is an equal branch and that by ruling that the Law is upheld as a tax he is writing the law from the bench.
The Supreme Court IS an equal branch. If you don't know your own constitution then you shouldn't be stating that one of the upmost experts in the constitution is wrong and 'immature'
Seriously, do you not know about the three branches of government? I'm not even American!0 -
To answer the original question - I think most conservatives ( of which I am one) are miffed because he didn't vote the way they expected him to. I think he voted the way he interpreted the law. I don't agree with it, I think we (the people of the us) just got a huge tax levied on us and I don't believe it is constituional. IMHO0
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I think he is another justice who is to young an immature and he has been fooled into thinking that the Supreme court is an equal branch and that by ruling that the Law is upheld as a tax he is writing the law from the bench.
The Supreme Court IS an equal branch. If you don't know your own constitution then you shouldn't be stating that one of the upmost experts in the constitution is wrong and 'immature'
Seriously, do you not know about the three branches of government? I'm not even American!
Actually yes I do know what Im talking about. They are not equal send me your address and Ill mail you a copy of our constitution. The Executive, Legislative, and judicial branches are separate but not equal...there is a reason behind that. They would like you to think and believe that is the case but by design they are not.
Justice Marshall gave SCOTUS that power during Marbury vs Madison. Self proclaimed power that was not specifically assigned in the constitution.
http://www.archives.gov/education/lessons/separation-powers/0 -
Two words,,, "Harriet Myers".{{snip}}
Well I disagree. My education is not in law, I have no experience working as a judge. I am pretty sure there is no chance I will be nominated to be any kind of appointed judge. Of the thousands of people who are judges, only a select few will ever get nominated. I dare say the best of the best. So to me that is earned. And personally, i prefer them appointed and not elected, because it reduces the likelihood of them being more concerned with their reelection than with what is right and just. (I.e. congress) Justice Roberts just proved to me that he values his position, the law, and the constitution more than his personal beliefs (assuming here as I don't know his personal beliefs).
OTOH - she didn't get in. So maybe the system worked.0 -
Two words,,, "Harriet Myers".{{snip}}
Well I disagree. My education is not in law, I have no experience working as a judge. I am pretty sure there is no chance I will be nominated to be any kind of appointed judge. Of the thousands of people who are judges, only a select few will ever get nominated. I dare say the best of the best. So to me that is earned. And personally, i prefer them appointed and not elected, because it reduces the likelihood of them being more concerned with their reelection than with what is right and just. (I.e. congress) Justice Roberts just proved to me that he values his position, the law, and the constitution more than his personal beliefs (assuming here as I don't know his personal beliefs).
:laugh: Yeah, thought of that, but she didn't make it in. :happy:
OTOH - she didn't get in. So maybe the system worked.0
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