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Happy Herbivore (https://happyherbivore.com/) has a bunch of low calorie, vegan recipes.

So you're saying you have these deficiencies? Why were you putting them on vegans if it's something you're struggling with?

I realize that, but it doesn't change the ignorance of the comment "enjoy your B12 and Omega 3 deficiencies". Basically assuming everybody who goes vegan is too stupid to do basic research and will inevitably have some nutrient deficiency.

TIL I have an Omega 3 and B12 deficiency because I'm vegan. "Enjoy your mercury poisoning!" See how stupid generalizations sound?

Engine 2 hummus (only available at Whole Foods) is probably the lowest calorie hummus available to purchase. Edit: just checked and it is 200 calories per cup, or 25 calories per 2 tbsp serving.

I am vegan and have been for almost 3 years. I have nothing but positives to say about it :smile:

Oh I gotcha lol, sorry for the confusion on my part.

What do you mean?

People go vegan because they dont feel superior to others.

People don't go vegan because they don't like meat.

I've been vegan/eating plant-based since 2013. Always welcome to add more friends on MFP. I have been logging daily since 2016 started and keep my diary open to friends. Anybody feel free to add me :smiley:

Agreed. My apologies for aggressively turning a nutrition/health thread into an argument/lecture over morals.

Exactly. Never really realized that before as I typically stay out of these vegan vs. meat eater arguments for obvious reasons.

I realize the offense I seem to have caused by my statement, but I still feel as though what I actually said is being taken completely out of context and exaggerated. My intention, in its entirety, was that using the argument "its ok to continue doing _______ because most people don't have a problem with it" isn't sound…

My analogies are not problematic. If you want to take everything I say out of context to try and make some point, then, please, continue to do so. I don't think you realize how analogies work. Not to mention nowhere did I come close to saying humans should have rights similar to animals. Again, you are taking what I said…

That's an interesting question that I've never contemplated before. I don't believe anybody should be forced to do anything. I think, for me, when I believe so strongly in something, I have a hard time understanding how other people don't feel exactly the same way I do. I did not mean for this conversation and thread to…

Actually YOU are the one implying the sentiment is right. I'm the one arguing that both are wrong, but you can't see through the chance at painting me as a racist to see the obvious point I'm trying to make.

Do rape, murder and 'stealing' not happen in the animal kingdom? Did they not happen in uncivilized societies? That is what I mean by natural. I think it is unacceptable for animals to be eaten in a situation that is not life or death. If we can choose other options which overall cause less suffering in the world, then I…

No, I apologize for expressing my sincere opinion that I thought "their deaths... are conducted with the utmost kindness" was a joke. Not sure how everybody doesn't see the irony in that statement.

My point was, its irrelevant if something is natural. You were arguing that eating meat is natural, and that was your justification for why it was acceptable. I was making the point that just because something is natural (i.e. rape, murder, stealing) doesn't make it acceptable. That's not a good litmus test for how we…

A lot of bad things in history have happened when people follow the logic of "they are different than me, therefore I can treat them poorly."

As I said above, in no way was I comparing human slaves to animals. I was comparing people's mindsets about two different situations, using an analogy. I can't help if people see the word "slave" and then instantly jump to the conclusion that there is some sort of thinly veiled racism involved and completely disregard the…

If you choose to completely miss the point I was making about the flawed logic in the poster's argument, so be it. My analogy was spot on. And in no way was I comparing animals to slaves or vice versa. My point was that using the argument "people don't have a problem with it" as a reason to continue doing something is not…

So if something is "natural" then it is automatically acceptable?

Humans aren't animals? I think Charles Darwin would disagree with you.

So by that logic, wee should never have ended slavery because plenty of people were unwilling to give it up and had no moral or ethical conflict with owning slaves? Just making sure I'm following your thought process.

That's fine with me. Your argument is it's better to keep animals from extinction so we can keep killing them?

Is this a joke? What is kind about killing animal because you prefer how it tastes? I don't understand the logic behind calling the voluntary killing of an animal that you raised and earned it's trust "kind", when you could easily choose not to kill/eat it. Is that the best example of "utmost kindness" you can come up with?

So it is justifiable to slaughter billions of animals a year so we can potentially better absorb certain nutrients? That seems like a stretch.

I agree with you, but I don't think that justifies voluntarily killing animals just to spare them a potentially "worse" natural death. We would never apply that same logic to humans and kill 15 years old who might get cancer and have a painful death, so why should it apply it the killing of young animals? Not trying to be…